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18. wait, what you call "evidence"

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 12:56 AM

Aug 2014

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is mere assumption.

Assumption on the part of (the alleged audio of) the bragging "rebel leader" - talking about a shoot-down of a fighter plane.

Assumption on your part, fed by an overdose of Western propaganda: "Putin" giving heavy weaponry ... Hey, that's not proof, that's what all Western journalists are desperately TRYING to prove.

With little success. May I remind you of the recent attempts to "prove" it by way of a certain "mistranslation"?

And why would journalists write with excitement about - finally! - having watched an alleged Russian convoy crossing the border and being the FIRST witnesses of such ongoings? Turns out the "Russian convoy" vanishes from earth as quickly as it allegedly crossed the border, with no trace. And nothing documenting the alleged border crossing either.

So, guess as you might, but for proof you'll have to wait a little longer.

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The Mystery of the Malaysian Airlines Crash Over Ukraine [View all] Karmadillo Aug 2014 OP

"...Ukrainian military personnel do have the required skills." Adsos Letter Aug 2014 #1

Or ex-Soviet military. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #30

No doubt in my mind, and for the very reasons you outlined. n/t Adsos Letter Aug 2014 #37

Didn't you hear the US did it because they were trying to kill Putin davidpdx Aug 2014 #2

I didn't hear that. I did hear the fact that his plane did fly over that area on the way to, or from sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #3

Thank you. Well said. elias49 Aug 2014 #32

OFFS... His flight path was not actually over Ukraine at all. Adrahil Aug 2014 #44

Yup... SidDithers Aug 2014 #4

Oh, I know exactly who you are talking about davidpdx Aug 2014 #6

As opposed to those people who believe what they're told by corporate media, right? Octafish Aug 2014 #11

Truth hurt? davidpdx Aug 2014 #12

Well, we know who did it... zappaman Aug 2014 #13

The BFEE is a handle for War Inc. Octafish Aug 2014 #16

Not me. Octafish Aug 2014 #14

You might go back to post #11 and reread what you wrote in your response to me davidpdx Aug 2014 #15

No. Here's what I'm talking about... Octafish Aug 2014 #17

Yeah. zappaman Aug 2014 #20

Ok, so RT isn't 'corporate media'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #29

Excellent point. Octafish Aug 2014 #31

Reporters are not "corporate media." joshcryer Aug 2014 #38

You're writing to one. Octafish Aug 2014 #49

Ah, I see.... Adrahil Aug 2014 #45

No, that's not what I wrote. Octafish Aug 2014 #50

Thanks for the suto-correct catch... now then, what DID you mean? Adrahil Aug 2014 #52

I object to people who malign those interested in learning and sharing the truth. Octafish Aug 2014 #55

That's great, but.... Adrahil Aug 2014 #56

Right. Lots of people on DU mock 'Conspiracy Theories.' I'm not one of them. Octafish Aug 2014 #60

You mean those who believe anything our Corporate Media tells them? sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #34

Much better to just believe whatever Uncle Pootie would like you to believe, eh? NT Adrahil Aug 2014 #53

Didn't you mean to say 'Uncle Saddam'? sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #54

Ah yes... shift and dodge. Adrahil Aug 2014 #57

Another recycled right wing talking point against what they perceive as 'The dreaded Left'. sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #61

I'm not even CLOSE to right wing. Heck, half my extended family won't talk to me.... Adrahil Aug 2014 #63

That was not a "crash". Codeine Aug 2014 #5

on behalf of a Malaysian, non-native English speaker reorg Aug 2014 #7

Right, what's so hard about writing.. "The Mystery of the Malaysian Airlines Shot Down over Cha Aug 2014 #8

If you get a chance to read the article, you'll see there's no attempt to sanitize Karmadillo Aug 2014 #9

In the middle of a freaking war zone? randome Aug 2014 #10

wait, what you call "evidence" reorg Aug 2014 #18

Agree. All we have to go on so far from the war zone is what we see and hear. randome Aug 2014 #22

Well, thank you for agreeing that facts matter reorg Aug 2014 #23

Huh? There are eyewitness accounts. joshcryer Aug 2014 #40

given your astute monitoring of social media accounts reorg Aug 2014 #41

Ad hom. joshcryer Aug 2014 #42

You'd think Occam's razor would have cut them to ribbons by now. nt Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #46

Reporters did that investigation. joshcryer Aug 2014 #39

All of it? Even the data released by the Russians and ignored by the corpse media? And if Karmadillo Aug 2014 #47

Funny how it went out of the news so quickly when some of the lies that were being told were sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #35

Vanishing point � reorg Aug 2014 #19

Yup. This ^^^. elias49 Aug 2014 #33

So...The piece is full of speculation, opinion, and unsourced "facts" Blue_Tires Aug 2014 #21

which speculative, premature conclusion reorg Aug 2014 #25

uh..the one near the bottom under "opinion"? Blue_Tires Aug 2014 #27

He lists three reasons why it should not prematurely ruled out reorg Aug 2014 #28

And I "may" be able to flap my arms and fly to the moon Blue_Tires Aug 2014 #48

sorry, I was reading this article at the same time reorg Aug 2014 #51

Oh, right...another sole unnamed "source" with no corroboration Blue_Tires Aug 2014 #62

"Shoot-down," not "crash." WinkyDink Aug 2014 #24

search "airlines crash"+"mh17" reorg Aug 2014 #26

Disagrees that it was a shoot-down? Thinks "crash" is a synonym? WinkyDink Aug 2014 #58

sigh, disagrees with your labelling reorg Aug 2014 #59

CNN BREAKING NEWS Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #36

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