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122. Agreed; Let's Find Out What Happened First

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 10:25 AM

Aug 2014

Agreed. This mob justice on here is getting out of control. This is hardly a cut and dry situation where the officer's guilt is certain, despite the fact that many here have already convicted him.

There is far too much that doesn't add up in this situation and people (either the officer or the witnesses or both) are clearly lying. I'm concerned that the police have been so guarded with information which does smell of a coverup, but I'm also concerned that the eye witnesses are giving contradictory and changing accounts. It just doesn't add up. This is not going to be an easy investigation, unfortunately. I'm glad that the FBI is coming in - I think a neutral party is needed here.

Let's find out what actually happened before making inflammatory accusations. This situation is already explosive and it doesn't need to be fed any further.

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If Darren Wilson isn't charged with murder, we will have normalized legal police murder. [View all] rhett o rick Aug 2014 OP

I believe he will be charged with something when eyewitness accounts are corroborated by autopsy. Hoyt Aug 2014 #1

Murder or Manslaughter? el_bryanto Aug 2014 #2

Sounds like murder2 to me. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #10

I think it was second degree murder. He pointed the gun and intentionally murdered him. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #13

How is that not First-Degree? Second-degree means with intent only to harm, not kill. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #39

Dont get legal advise from Yahoo Travis_0004 Aug 2014 #77

"Premeditation" doesn't take long, especially when one chooses to shoot multiple times. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #89

In Missouri, 'first degree murder' requires 'deliberation upon the matter'... PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #78

A legal analyst on msnbc (I don't remember who) rock Aug 2014 #82

State v. Miller, Missouri Court of Appeals, Western District (2007)... PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #84

"no matter how brief." Exactly. The cop DELIBERATED when he shot more than once. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #88

"Deliberation" can be defined as a second or two. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #87

Oh please. I wish DUers would stop with the "First Degree Murder" nonsense. Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #125

It's murder BklnDem75 Aug 2014 #133

OMG, look at the comments here: FiveGoodMen Aug 2014 #3

holy shit, some real winners there 0rganism Aug 2014 #5

It shows you what we're up against FiveGoodMen Aug 2014 #6

looks like about a 50/50 split to me 0rganism Aug 2014 #8

And the newspapers are free to post which ever responses they wish to promote their agenda. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #14

As long as it's an African American, jen63 Aug 2014 #32

ALAIAAA. (But FTR: Rand Paul deplores the militarization of police.) WinkyDink Aug 2014 #40

That is some sick shit people are saying. JEB Aug 2014 #7

i used to argue with people in the commetns section but... Takket Aug 2014 #12

The comments on the live feed last night AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #50

i think an indictment is likely 0rganism Aug 2014 #4

The change of venue request will be huge exboyfil Aug 2014 #29

I am afraid to say Rick, JEB Aug 2014 #9

God had better bless America if cops start thinking they can kill VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #83

K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2014 #11

True, although I'm sure Darren Wilson's whereabouts are known. n/t JimDandy Aug 2014 #15

Of course, but why doesn't he get arrested? Why do they allow him to flee? rhett o rick Aug 2014 #19

Hyperbole doesn't help. Neither does Jesse Jackson saying this was a 'state execution'. randome Aug 2014 #16

You call it "hyperbole" but I call it outrage and it's about time for a little. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #17

Internally, the police are working out Wilson's exculpatory narrative, probably. A common practice, ancianita Aug 2014 #21

Yes I am aware. I am objecting to the fact that police-persons can go free pending investigations rhett o rick Aug 2014 #23

Well, what other legal remedy is there? He's out of sight to anyone. What more can be done? ancianita Aug 2014 #24

Lock him up unless he posts bail. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #31

That sweeps aside current treatment practices of those 'in the line of duty.' You want something ancianita Aug 2014 #34

Because all cops are gods. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #35

Not the prevailing interpretation of current practices, nor mine. ancianita Aug 2014 #36

A practicing New York lawyer friend of mine just told me... ancianita Aug 2014 #38

Most police agencies -most communities- are unprepared for something like this. randome Aug 2014 #43

Exactly why my lawyer friend says that he's likely on "modified assignment." ancianita Aug 2014 #47

I think you're missing the irony here: "the police will want to protect the officer and his family," rhett o rick Aug 2014 #59

Oh plez! If a citizen had done the exact same thing, they would be arrested immediately and rhett o rick Aug 2014 #57

Or they get out on bail. randome Aug 2014 #91

Yes, that's the difference. Police have one process, citizens have another because they're different ancianita Aug 2014 #99

"Someone working in security forces doesn't get civilian treatment under the law." rhett o rick Aug 2014 #56

I'm aware, too. But your objection is against decades of civilian acceptance of policy, too. ancianita Aug 2014 #80

Things have changed over the last 30 years. I've seen it first hand. I want them to change back. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #97

Really? Not in my lifetime. But good luck with your wanting. ancianita Aug 2014 #100

Really? Not in your lifetime? You either are young or naive, or both. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #105

What?? At no point were you talking militarization with me. You were talking about the 'irony' I ancianita Aug 2014 #107

AND I've actually recommended changes to prevent such police behavior in the future, IF you've read ancianita Aug 2014 #110

I apologize. I must have completely misunderstood you. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #112

Accepted. And for the record I enjoy reading most of your posts and understand how these events ancianita Aug 2014 #113

Dang, now you're just mocking me. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #114

Those are the rules agreed to with the Police Unions. Calista241 Aug 2014 #63

The apologists for the cop that killed that kid are sad people. Rex Aug 2014 #58

If a citizen is S U S P E C T E D of a crime they go to jail. Not him. Not the "all-mighty" police rhett o rick Aug 2014 #62

Well the apologists stayed zipped lipped when the reporters were arrested. Rex Aug 2014 #64

Authoritarians come in all forms. Some even call themselves Democrats. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #66

Yeah I think they believe they are, but their words sure do betray them. Rex Aug 2014 #67

Oh, good grief. ancianita Aug 2014 #111

Well you are free to ignore my post, but I will keep on pointing it out even Rex Aug 2014 #116

That's my point. You have not once pointed out any "apologist" language. Not once. ancianita Aug 2014 #117

No I don't have to prove anything to you, you just need to actually look Rex Aug 2014 #119

Hm. I looked. Disagreement isn't attempted censoring. Thought you could enlighten me. Nice talk. ancianita Aug 2014 #121

A few thoughts if I may. Savannahmann Aug 2014 #22

Thanks.Relevant context here when mulling practical street consequences of inequality under the law ancianita Aug 2014 #26

Well said... FarPoint Aug 2014 #33

I sure as hell am not excusing anything. randome Aug 2014 #45

"a slightly different process" bobduca Aug 2014 #54

Please point out what you consider "hyperbole." WinkyDink Aug 2014 #41

"State execution". The State had nothing to do with this. randome Aug 2014 #46

Wilson acted under color of state authority. eom MohRokTah Aug 2014 #48

So did the shooters at Kent State. The soldiers at My Lai. randome Aug 2014 #52

The OP doesn't say a thing about "state execution". Where did you get that out rhett o rick Aug 2014 #65

I mentioned Jesse Jackson's use of the phrase. randome Aug 2014 #92

Wilson's authority is derived from the State. Savannahmann Aug 2014 #73

Those are all FACTS, though. Like other facts, they need to stand or fall on their own. randome Aug 2014 #93

So far we have three eyewitness testimonies. Savannahmann Aug 2014 #94

We don't 'know' anything until testimony is given and evidence gathered. randome Aug 2014 #98

Are you saying we don't know who pulled the trigger? How many times the victim was shot? rhett o rick Aug 2014 #106

I agree. In addition, Wilson could be a danger to himself or his family... randome Aug 2014 #132

Legalized police murder has been the norm... 99Forever Aug 2014 #18

I've read elsewhere that the coroner's report won't be for a few weeks. Quite a delay. ancianita Aug 2014 #20

K/R marmar Aug 2014 #25

They already have, or DW would not feel that he can get away with this sh@#. WCLinolVir Aug 2014 #27

I don't think the officer "escaped" or... Mike Nelson Aug 2014 #28

I understand but if a citizen did what he did, they'd be arrested while the rhett o rick Aug 2014 #30

George Zimmerman wasn't immediately arrested davidn3600 Aug 2014 #53

I don't think Zimmy was a good example. If he'd been black and the victim was white, he'd rhett o rick Aug 2014 #70

Not always... the officer will have his/her version of the shooting... Mike Nelson Aug 2014 #69

Really? Savannahmann Aug 2014 #37

A lawyer friend of mine says that common department practice is to put him on modified assignment. ancianita Aug 2014 #44

Proof? Is there "proof" he escaped? I was only offering... Mike Nelson Aug 2014 #68

I think you are confusing "being watched carefully" with "being arrested." Will we get another WinkyDink Aug 2014 #42

My opinion is no attempt to take flight... Mike Nelson Aug 2014 #71

I think your opinion here is correct, but that doesn't make it a sound judgment by the dept. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #90

I am still waiting on dash cam footage NT Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #49

I think we've had police murder without consequences for a long time. merrily Aug 2014 #51

Um you're a little late for that johnlucas Aug 2014 #55

Years too late, been going on a long time...the difference is that his own group allowed Rex Aug 2014 #60

What gets ME down is that this site goes along with authoritarians FiveGoodMen Aug 2014 #74

I'm on the side that is right. Savannahmann Aug 2014 #75

True it can get depressing at times. Rex Aug 2014 #76

Most people are describing frustrated civilians, not prescribing authoritarianism. ancianita Aug 2014 #81

Unfortunately it has police murder has been normalized avebury Aug 2014 #61

War is normal when one is militarized isn't it. lonestarnot Aug 2014 #72

It's already normalized. The officers who killed LibDemAlways Aug 2014 #79

As lame as this probably sounds, Kelly Thomas' death was what first got me to tune in to VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #86

That's what sent me over the top also damnedifIknow Aug 2014 #109

I agree that the Kelly Thomas case was horrible, but this case is a perfect example of a police rhett o rick Aug 2014 #115

K&R, for justice... MrMickeysMom Aug 2014 #85

more of this crap TorchTheWitch Aug 2014 #95

If it appears that a crime has been committed, the police will put citizens directly in jail and rhett o rick Aug 2014 #96

probable cause TorchTheWitch Aug 2014 #118

I don't want mob rule. I want justice. Once again, if a citizen shot someone they'd be arrested rhett o rick Aug 2014 #120

So are you suggesting any time a cop fires a gun, he/she must be arrested? Kvectk Aug 2014 #126

Since we are guessing what the other is "suggesting", are you suggesting that rhett o rick Aug 2014 #130

No that is not what I'm saying. Kvectk Aug 2014 #134

I would love to see the "multiple reports". Do you count Sean Hannity as one? nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #136

Agreed; Let's Find Out What Happened First sub.theory Aug 2014 #122

You are accusing some of "mob justice" when most just want justice. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #123

Then why accuse the officer of murder? sub.theory Aug 2014 #124

Why does he get to be free during the investigation? If I shot someone that was unarmed, I'd be rhett o rick Aug 2014 #127

o0o0o00o0....."prosecutions"....... Adam051188 Aug 2014 #101

I predict that Wilson will not be prosecuted. Most likely, he won't even be ladjf Aug 2014 #102

the american public has been mentally and emotionally neutered. Adam051188 Aug 2014 #104

I agree. nt ladjf Aug 2014 #108

now that this has gone to the justice department it will also involve violation of civil rights still_one Aug 2014 #103

I thought they would with yeoman6987 Aug 2014 #135

You mean if we don't deal with murdering cops like we dealt with war criminals & election-stealers? villager Aug 2014 #128

Cut to the chase ..... we're toast. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #129

well, the smaller, regional entities coming after climate shifts cause the Empire to break up... villager Aug 2014 #131