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In reply to the discussion: Princeton study: U.S. no longer an actual democracy [View all]frazzled
(18,402 posts)8. They didn't say democracy "no longer exists."
They said it is "threatened."
Americans do enjoy many features central to democratic governance, such as regular elections, freedom of speech and association, and a widespread (if still contested) franchise. But we believe that if policymaking is dominated by powerful business organizations and a small number of affluent Americans, then Americas claims to being a democratic society are seriously threatened.
And they especially never said that the US has transformed into an oligarchy. This was all discussed back in the spring, when their book came out. And the authors have repeatedly said in interviews that they didn't say America was an oligarchy:
Gilens and Page do not use the term oligarchy in describing their conclusions, which would imply that a small ruling class dominates the political system to the exclusion of all others.
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This is what the data shows: when the economic élites support a given policy change, it has about a one-in-two chance of being enacted. (The exact estimated probability is forty-five per cent.) When the élites oppose a given measure, its chances of becoming law are less than one in five. (The exact estimate is eighteen per cent.) The fact that both figures are both below fifty per cent reflects a status-quo bias: in the divided American system of government, getting anything at all passed is tricky.
The study suggests that, on many issues, the rich exercise an effective veto. If they are against something, it is unlikely to happen. This is obviously inconsistent with the median-voter theoremwhich holds that policy outcomes reflect the preferences of voters who represent the ideological centerbut I dont think that it is a particularly controversial claim
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/is-america-an-oligarchy
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AlbertCat
Aug 2014
#121
Actually, there was plenty that was socialist about the National Socialists.
Starboard Tack
Aug 2014
#106
A constitutionally controlled, democratic republic. None of that holds true today.
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#55
I know.. as if there existed any distinction of one or the other. We are not either, and haven't
2banon
Aug 2014
#78
We provide Democracy Lessons to black and brown and hispanic countries on a daily basis. Ingrates
libdem4life
Aug 2014
#10
K&R!!! This is what I have been talking about. It's pretty clear even w/o a study that if
Dustlawyer
Aug 2014
#14
Publicly Funded Elections are an excellent idea. They would go a long way toward getting the
Louisiana1976
Aug 2014
#63
If it's illegal, then they can be jailed, assuming of course we have an AG willing to go after them.
Dustlawyer
Aug 2014
#82
Boy I'm sure glad they did that study , I would never have figured that myself .
geretogo
Aug 2014
#16
No kidding Princeton. It never was, it is a Republic that was created by slave owners. n/t
951-Riverside
Aug 2014
#23
It's no secret that some of the Founders inherited plantations and slaves, btw.
AverageJoe90
Aug 2014
#58
It's no secret that some of the Founders inherited plantations and slaves, btw.
AlbertCat
Aug 2014
#117
Whatever you call it, our political/economic/legal system is completely fucked
Taitertots
Aug 2014
#25
Kind of like Mexico, or any banana republic where the income inequality is off the charts nt
ErikJ
Aug 2014
#29
All through Central and South America ever since the Munroe Doctrine we have been setting up,...
Spitfire of ATJ
Aug 2014
#38
Long live plutocracy! Can one of them give me some money to go to the dentist?
Comrade Grumpy
Aug 2014
#45
Bernie Sanders has been stating this very fact, over & over, for at least a few YEARS now. nt
NorthCarolina
Aug 2014
#46
This is where Republicans I knew, back in the pre-tea party days, would claim
Baitball Blogger
Aug 2014
#48
-- and they neede a study for this? It never was a democracy. it was a democratic republic.
Hoppy
Aug 2014
#57
corporate health care laws, monstanto laws, trade agreements, spying are all evidence
whereisjustice
Aug 2014
#76
ironic that a 4 year degree at Princeton w/ room & board is about $200,000, you know
whereisjustice
Aug 2014
#77
So it took a study from Princeton to tell us something the the left has known for decades?
YOHABLO
Aug 2014
#97
The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Own And Control The Politicians That Own And Control Us
cantbeserious
Aug 2014
#99
Not sure how much of a Democracy people can expect if they don’t vote and don’t pay attention to
Chathamization
Aug 2014
#107
all empires eventually fail. Hubris, greed, overreach - we are seeing it all and more.
NRaleighLiberal
Aug 2014
#120