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Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:00 PM Aug 2014

Remember not to holler over Ferguson like our parental president says. . . 'don't shout' [View all]

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Don't holler, don't shout. Not UNLESS you actually want to be HEARD, because the president obviously doesn't understand ANYTHING about what folks out here are angry about.

Unless you're a youth in trouble or looking for leadership, it's unlikely that you're going to be satisfied with his first and foremost admonition in his talking down to Americans today that we look to his very worthy effort with 'My Brother’s Keeper' to cause the police forces in MO., or elsewhere in the country, to bring themselves to respect the rights of black youth and others in the African American community.

As if it was somehow a matter of assuaging our own anger out here in the nation at police forces which regularly and deliberately treat our black youth like thugs and criminals, President Obama wants us to change their "perception and reality" of our children and family members by trying to "understand" and to "listen" to more of their deprecating and duplicitous bullshit, and incredibly, "unite" with them.

President Obama today:

"I’ve said this before," President Obama lectured. "In too many communities around the country, a gulf of mistrust exists between local residents and law enforcement. In too many communities, too many young men of color are left behind and seen only as objects of fear. And through initiatives like My Brother’s Keeper, I’m personally committed to changing both perception and reality. And already, we’re making some significant progress, as people of good will of all races are ready to chip in. But that requires that we build, and not tear down. And that requires we listen, and not just shout. That’s how we’re going to move forward together -- by trying to unite each other and understand each other, and not simply divide ourselves from one another. We’re going to have to hold tight to those values in the days ahead. And that’s how we bring about justice, and that’s how we bring about peace."


The President has been part of that group who lord down their nonsense on us for so long that seems to have forgotten that WE ultimately decide who serves in those positions of authority. He's apparently lost sight of the reality that WE are to have the ultimate voice in how these public officials regard and deal with our communities. The glare and din of his office has apparently rendered him deaf and blind to the fact that many of these police forces aren't, themselves, "listening" to our appeals and demands.

He's out of touch with the reality that it is these very police officials in Ferguson and elsewhere who have "divided" themselves from the people they are supposed to serve and are doing little more than defending their own positions of authority over us; and abusing that power we've invested in them with our votes and with our hard-earned contributions to our democratic system of governance.

It's not the demonstrators of Ferguson who've neglected to "hold tight to those values." It's these abusive and self-protective officials and officers who have let go of any modicum of respect for these communities under siege and under fire from canisters of smoke and tear gas hurled from a distance behind the protection of their taxpayer-sponsored armaments.

We are going to need to keep raising our voices above their sonic cannons and their lecturing from the elevation of the offices we've gifted them with; HOLLER if we must, until our voices are plainly heard and our demands addressed. THAT'S how "we bring about justice," and THAT'S how we "bring about peace;" by not allowing ourselves to be cowed into believing that these same indifferent officials and officers can be made to listen and bridge that "gulf" they've deliberately created to neuter our voices and place themselves outside of the reach of their own responsibility and accountability to us by muting or repressing the VOLUME of our own protests.

Pretending that our concerns about the militarism of these local police forces are just about these officials and officers' ability to communicate with each other and protect themselves with radios and hazmat suits shows that those "lines" the president says he wants to preserve are already "blurred" and distorted in his defensive view. No one looking at the virtual army that has been arrayed and has already attacked protestors and demonstrators in Ferguson in the past week can ignore or dismiss the fact that these police forces erected to protect and serve are already armed and armored for repression and positioned to completely suppress the very voices President Obama is lecturing us to keep quiet.

What we expect from our President and other leaders is to amplify our voices DEMANDING justice in Ferguson - not co-opting officials and officers in that town in their attempts to choke them out with barrages of gas and smoke; materially or rhetorically.

The president promised today to "watch" Jay Nixon as he deploys the National Guard in Ferguson, to "make sure it's used in a limited and appropriate way." It's as if the president hasn't really been watching that town at all in the past week. That expectation of his is as fleeting as his brief words today about the crisis of oppression in that town against what is essentially the same community of individuals as the youth from the Brown family who was gunned down and his life extinguished for what was, essentially jaywalking.

Essentially, their community of individuals have been under direct attack since the first bullets left Officer Darren Wilson's publicly-provided service revolver.

As apt as it was in a popular science fiction series; and applied to the surreality of the military siege of Ferguson; Commander William Adama, portrayed by Edward James Olmos, an eloquent point is made on the merging of military with police:

"There's a reason you separate military and the police," he says. "One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people." When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.


This Democratic president has become so accustomed - so comfortable with wielding the force of our military abroad for 'humanitarian' missions, that he's lost sight of the fact that Americans can no more be cowed away from HOLLERING for justice and peace than any other community's targeted population will allow themselves to voluntarily recoil at the point of our government's weapons.

At Edwardsville, Illinois, on September 11, 1858, Abraham Lincoln remarked:

"What constitutes the bulwark of our own liberty and independence is not our frowning battlements, our bristling seacoast, the guns of our war steamers, or the strength of our gallant and disciplined army. These are not the reliance against the resumption of tyranny in our fair land. All of them may be turned against our liberties without making us stronger or weaker for the struggle."

"Our reliance is in the love of liberty, which God has planted in our bosoms. Our defense is the preservation of the spirit, which prizes liberty as the heritage of all men, in all lands everywhere." Destroy this spirit and you have planted the seeds of despotism at your down doors."

"Familiarize yourselves with the chains of bondage," Lincoln warned, "and you prepare your own limbs to wear them. Accustomed to trample on the rights of others, you have lost the genius of your own independence and become the fit subjects of the first cunning tyrant who rises among you."


This local MO. government and this administration have become too accustomed to trampling, and bondage. And we have allowed them to skirt accountability for their sly justifications for their attacks on our civil liberties; demagogic appeals to 'unite" with them in their delay and denial of justice; the deliberate inflaming, and careful stoking of the sparks of fear that flash from their tear gas launchers; their smoke grenades; and from the service revolver which struck Micheal Brown down in the prime of his life.

We can hardly afford to quiet down now.
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Nope, do not go quietly. notadmblnd Aug 2014 #1
Hey, it works for him when dealing with republicans elehhhhna Aug 2014 #2
The Great Neutralizer billhicks76 Aug 2014 #54
shout and cry out for justice. only the dead are silent roguevalley Aug 2014 #83
Too Many Apologists On DU billhicks76 Aug 2014 #107
That sounds about right. ReRe Aug 2014 #87
What do you think about the proposal of a 5 day moratorium on night time protests? pinto Aug 2014 #3
Restricting the right to peaceful assembly based on a clock? tavalon Aug 2014 #22
I saw a representative of the Black Panther Party propose that today. pinto Aug 2014 #38
Now, from that angle, yeah, it's a good idea tavalon Aug 2014 #40
As long as it is voluntary and it came from the black community it is interesting. cui bono Aug 2014 #69
Why? Why ask the protesters to be quiet? Is there some notion somewhere that this is just sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #43
Democracy is like genealogy... ReRe Aug 2014 #85
+1 Scuba Aug 2014 #114
No. ReRe Aug 2014 #91
So, you want dramatics and moving speeches CakeGrrl Aug 2014 #4
I think it is high time that Obama used his bully pulpit to address the black elephant in the room tavalon Aug 2014 #25
if ever there was a time cvoogt Aug 2014 #61
There is NO bully pulpit. There hasn't been since Reagan relaxed ownership laws BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #111
No, I've gotten the memo tavalon Aug 2014 #120
Rose Garden speeches rarely broadcast in their entirety. BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #121
He needs to take a stand and stop with the always present 'both sides did it'. This tactic happens sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #47
"Is he supposed to pump his fist and yell "fight the power!"?" cui bono Aug 2014 #66
And why is it that "some" people... ReRe Aug 2014 #94
Do not go gentle into that good night....... Autumn Aug 2014 #5
Sometimes the quietest one in the room is the smartest one. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #6
Yes. ^^^^^ KelleyD Aug 2014 #13
THANK YOU, SKP. elleng Aug 2014 #15
Thank you SKP. sheshe2 Aug 2014 #18
This is how President Obama is getting things done, she.. Cha Aug 2014 #50
Thank you Cha. sheshe2 Aug 2014 #53
Caption: cui bono Aug 2014 #71
NYC_SKP....Did you LISTEN to that Whole Speech? KoKo Aug 2014 #19
Sometimes I really wish there were a way that woo me with science Aug 2014 #23
Do it anyway. bravenak Aug 2014 #65
Now that would have been interesting. This would have been the perfect time to do it too. n/t cui bono Aug 2014 #73
No, just the part about Ferguson, excerpted here: NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #28
It's good we can differ without venom and vitriol.... KoKo Aug 2014 #35
No, you expressed it well, woo me with science Aug 2014 #39
He is not going to encourage a riot. Those are expected words coming from a President. JaydenD Aug 2014 #42
We understand he has to be Presidential and be a Calming influence..but KoKo Aug 2014 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author BuelahWitch Aug 2014 #57
Really? I listened too and read the transcript that I had no problem finding. sheshe2 Aug 2014 #64
a thing I've come to realize in my short life Quayblue Aug 2014 #62
That's true. You will NEVER please everyone. Which is why you need to decide which side sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #77
Thanks, that one's a keeper. freshwest Aug 2014 #104
Reading that took 5 minutes of my life that I will never get back bluestateguy Aug 2014 #7
So True! KelleyD Aug 2014 #11
Fail. nt ecstatic Aug 2014 #8
+ a million Number23 Aug 2014 #45
''he obviously doesn't understand anything about what folks are angry about. '' w.t.f. JaydenD Aug 2014 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author sheshe2 Aug 2014 #58
Can you just not give it a rest? Yeashhhhhh! Sick of it! KelleyD Aug 2014 #10
So are the residents of Ferguson Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #12
It's not the shouting; it's the shooting. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #14
Don't peg me. I stand with Ferguson..not trashing our POTHUS. So what? KelleyD Aug 2014 #16
I Watched It.. It was Shocking... How did you find the Transcript? KoKo Aug 2014 #17
You do realize that he is the President of the United States? KelleyD Aug 2014 #20
I believe the sign the college student seen in another thread stated explains the rage and AuntPatsy Aug 2014 #37
+1 cui bono Aug 2014 #74
The redneck yahoos are going to hate him no matter what BuelahWitch Aug 2014 #112
SHUT UP, LISTEN, GIT BACK IN UR HOUSE AND STAY THERE UNTIL SUNRISE! 951-Riverside Aug 2014 #21
K&R I feel sick, woo me with science Aug 2014 #24
Thanks WOO...it's good to know we still have a few folks fighting against KoKo Aug 2014 #31
+1 Police militarization, surveillance, assaults on journalism, persecution of whistleblowers... woo me with science Aug 2014 #41
There are threads explaining very well why Obama has to be circumspect in what he says. KittyWampus Aug 2014 #70
You continue to disappoint me, Bigtree. jaysunb Aug 2014 #26
I've read his ops lately I don't see hate, I read anger and frustration, considering everything both AuntPatsy Aug 2014 #30
Another hater's gonna hate! Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #32
There is no hatred in this post BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #33
There is actually a lot of hate… and ignorance. The only way not to see it is to share it. KittyWampus Aug 2014 #72
I always watch the President's statements and speeches if I'm near a TV. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #48
+1 n/t jaysunb Aug 2014 #49
You nailed it. And some folks have made being disingenous assholes their speciality Number23 Aug 2014 #55
yup CatWoman Aug 2014 #59
"Manufacturing outrage is fun and good for business I suppose" NYC Liberal Aug 2014 #68
Which office? We're talking about POTUS here. And he is NOT a liberal Democrat. cui bono Aug 2014 #76
Obama is a liberal Democrat and to assert otherwise laughably absurd. NYC Liberal Aug 2014 #92
You shouldn't call what Obama says "laughably absurd". cui bono Aug 2014 #93
I look at actions. Obama's actions are those of a liberal Democrat. NYC Liberal Aug 2014 #95
You calling Obama a liar? cui bono Aug 2014 #96
No. Where did he say he is not a liberal? NYC Liberal Aug 2014 #98
Right here: cui bono Aug 2014 #100
+1 sagat Aug 2014 #103
Examples of the hate please? Links? cui bono Aug 2014 #75
Because the president's feelings are what's clearly important here. Scootaloo Aug 2014 #82
I don't Grok my last sentence, but this I know. KelleyD Aug 2014 #27
K&R. AuntPatsy Aug 2014 #29
I'll repeat what the protestors told the Ferguson Police the other night csziggy Aug 2014 #34
Watched the whole press conference from start to finish. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #36
I've said it before, you've spent too much time in this forum. Seriously Number23 Aug 2014 #44
Oh, good, the "Blame Obama" people are here. 6000eliot Aug 2014 #46
I honestly don't see blaming anyone here? You know my son who is 28 told me the other night AuntPatsy Aug 2014 #63
I think he's doing what he can. 6000eliot Aug 2014 #84
What is he getting blamed for? n/t cui bono Aug 2014 #78
Presidentin' 6000eliot Aug 2014 #86
Presidentin' While Black frazzled Aug 2014 #89
So you're calling people in this thread racists? cui bono Aug 2014 #97
So nothing. Thought so. n/t cui bono Aug 2014 #90
I respect what President Obama is trying to say. Brigid Aug 2014 #52
Hmmm, so Lincoln said all that just a few yrs before he hung 38 Sioux... countryjake Aug 2014 #56
Horrific, and for the record why aren't all the horrors done by early Americans part of our teaching AuntPatsy Aug 2014 #67
I agree with him. You can "holler" all you want, but people won't listen to you, wisteria Aug 2014 #60
It is truly astounding all the rights that people are willing to give up in order to defend Obama. cui bono Aug 2014 #79
I find it truly astounding that people are so tone deaf and unaware of the facts.... sheshe2 Aug 2014 #106
What rights? treestar Aug 2014 #118
Actions speak louder than words. littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #80
I'm so sick and tired of STUPIDITY underthematrix Aug 2014 #81
Thank you for those facts, sorry it won't be popular, I guess. freshwest Aug 2014 #102
The president creeksneakers2 Aug 2014 #88
Agitating hate groups more will not help loyalsister Aug 2014 #99
President Bigtree has spoken BeyondGeography Aug 2014 #101
Hmm, some folks just need to stop being so VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #105
WHY Obama cannot make any remarks considered prejudical or visit: WILSON WILL WALK! freshwest Aug 2014 #108
Kick and Hell yes Recommend! sheshe2 Aug 2014 #109
Thanks, your thanks made me cry a little! Big day tomorrow, though! Night, sweets. freshwest Aug 2014 #110
Hugs to you my dear freshwest. sheshe2 Aug 2014 #113
You'e slamming him for that? treestar Aug 2014 #115
Any outrage widget will do. JoePhilly Aug 2014 #117
We definitely need more bluster!!!!! JoePhilly Aug 2014 #116
Here in Minneapolis Puglover Aug 2014 #119
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