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JoeyT

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107. It was rampant with Trayvon Martin,

Reply to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 11:51 PM

Aug 2014

Stubenville, and a few other things that fell under the category of defending the indefensible, too.

Spend five hundred words building up how awful the victim was and how deserving of their fate they were, then claim "Innocent until proven guilty*" as if DU were a court of law, or "I'm waiting for the facts" as if the people doing the factfinding didn't have a vested interest in suppressing damaging evidence, and they didn't just waste a bunch of electrons slinging whatever character assassination they could lay hands on.

*A phrase which apparently either doesn't apply to African Americans, or which has an absurdly low bar for proof. See! We found a facebook photo where he looks like absolutely every other teenager on facebook! Told you he was a thug!

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Is it me, or has anyon else noticed ... [View all] 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 OP

Hard to miss. mmonk Aug 2014 #1

Very obvious, 1SBM. Very obvious. eom BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #2

Yes. onecaliberal Aug 2014 #3

the same thing happened with Trayvon Martin, the dead guy has to prove he was innocent JI7 Aug 2014 #4

+1 cyberswede Aug 2014 #34

That's unfortunate el_bryanto Aug 2014 #5

Most of the "we don't have all the evidence" posts I see are blaming the victim arcane1 Aug 2014 #6

True ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #23

Exactly n/t arcane1 Aug 2014 #25

America has a strong tradition of blaming the victim iemitsu Aug 2014 #147

It's not you. I'm infuriated over CNN's third hand report of Wilson's story by an anonymous source. Avalux Aug 2014 #7

Because they are grasping at straws to have something to say on the air. hamsterjill Aug 2014 #47

third hand reports heaven05 Aug 2014 #124

What do you expect from a network that employs Nancy Grace? OnlinePoker Aug 2014 #61

Here's the thing.... Avalux Aug 2014 #64

It's infuriating. bravenak Aug 2014 #8

Everybody wait for St. Louis County to complete it inquiry!!!! alcibiades_mystery Aug 2014 #9

Exactly!!!! 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #26

Your autocorrect is hyperactive. It turned "see" into "say" in your post. nt tblue37 Aug 2014 #44

Yes, I've noticed... OneGrassRoot Aug 2014 #10

+1 mmonk Aug 2014 #17

Well stated. indivisibleman Aug 2014 #46

thank you heaven05 Aug 2014 #125

I too have noticed an increase ... freebrew Aug 2014 #126

So good to see you on DU, even under these circumstances! chervilant Aug 2014 #136

Absolutely... OneGrassRoot Aug 2014 #137

I noticed that too. There seems to be a lot of that going around. iscooterliberally Aug 2014 #11

I had the same conversation. indivisibleman Aug 2014 #52

I've noticed it. Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #12

They all come from the same singular unmentionable perspective. CBGLuthier Aug 2014 #13

What's wrong with waiting for the facts? badtoworse Aug 2014 #14

As we're not jurists, speculation and debate may occur even in the here and now. LanternWaste Aug 2014 #21

There's absolutely nothing wrong with waiting for the facts ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #28

Can't dispute that, but I haven't seen that here. badtoworse Aug 2014 #33

I have ... In several posts ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #71

That's the way it should be, of course. hamsterjill Aug 2014 #50

I can't say I have faith that trial results are trustworthy to reflect facts, but... BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2014 #87

But that's just the point. blackspade Aug 2014 #120

Hey democracy is heaven05 Aug 2014 #127

I'm sorry that you're so angry. hamsterjill Aug 2014 #132

always this anger ploy heaven05 Aug 2014 #135

I HATE condescending soccer-mom types who deplore the very legitimate emotion of anger. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #140

+1000 excellent heaven05 Aug 2014 #145

Nope. Not a soccer-mom-type. hamsterjill Aug 2014 #149

Wow, hamsterjill. This is rank. Squinch Aug 2014 #152

Wow. What a load of...SPECULATION. And it is VILE. Demit Aug 2014 #164

I have to admit to being bias against any testimony given by cops as in my experience they are Dragonfli Aug 2014 #131

Well then, thank you, for an intelligent answer, at least. I appreciate the honesty. hamsterjill Aug 2014 #134

Here, let me help you: Wilson: "I was being charged at! The susp---i mean, Mr. Brown, bent like a WinkyDink Aug 2014 #141

I have been amazed at the venom cwydro Aug 2014 #165

I appreciate your reply. hamsterjill Aug 2014 #170

It might come as a surprise to you, but "facts" are very often disputed (see: Warming, Global). WinkyDink Aug 2014 #139

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #15

Yep, every last time. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #16

Prolly these folks never lived in abject fear in their comfortable lives. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #18

"Prolly these folks never lived in abject fear in their comfortable lives." nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #78

Amen to that! Octoberfurst Aug 2014 #146

I'm all in favor of waiting to see what the evidence shows . . . AT A TRIAL. I'm also in favor VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #19

amen and well stated. indivisibleman Aug 2014 #54

Co-signed. n/t nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #79

I particularly note the ones who wish to wait & not "try" that cop... countryjake Aug 2014 #20

Yes! logosoco Aug 2014 #22

I've noticed it here; but, it wasn't DU hat got me to notice it. eom 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #35

Yup. smokey nj Aug 2014 #24

What I find interesting is that the family autopsy is public malaise Aug 2014 #27

They usually don't release the report Warpy Aug 2014 #32

oh man, what if they find cocaine or pot in his system indivisibleman Aug 2014 #55

What I'd like to know is where Wilson's uniform is Warpy Aug 2014 #58

Exactly! indivisibleman Aug 2014 #72

Not really, but that's because I haven't been reading all the threads. Warpy Aug 2014 #29

white people ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #37

Yes, actually Warpy Aug 2014 #41

DU, like any Ferguson evidence, is tainted. I have no doubt white supremacists troll here. nt valerief Aug 2014 #30

Some are suggesting that Michael Brown wrestled the gun away and shot himself rhett o rick Aug 2014 #31

"wait till this stupid cop who's only armed and shooting Solomon Aug 2014 #49

No, it isn't just you and there are many more who don't blame Brown but are still covering TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #36

Good post. The way I see it too. I think the ballyhoo Aug 2014 #66

American society is sustained by a culture of fear and the police, Federal law enforcement, and Maedhros Aug 2014 #70

"crying about the state of affairs but resolute in changing nothing" nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #80

Not just you. sheshe2 Aug 2014 #38

Appalling! nt ( because I have no words for this) redwitch Aug 2014 #39

Sometimes absence of evidence is evidence... Kalidurga Aug 2014 #40

Its not you etherealtruth Aug 2014 #42

Exactly! indivisibleman Aug 2014 #43

The dead always go on trial. blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #45

Nope, not just you War Horse Aug 2014 #48

Very obvious, I've had a hard time keeping quiet about it. Rex Aug 2014 #51

I'll let you in on a hint Blue_Tires Aug 2014 #53

It seems to be in the 'DNA' of pro-authoritarians.. 2banon Aug 2014 #56

Yep..... BronxBoy Aug 2014 #57

It is always 'blame the victim' when authority tramples on the weak. Stonepounder Aug 2014 #59

+1000 nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #81

It's only racism. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #60

Yes, indeed. H2O Man Aug 2014 #62

Haven't noticed Android3.14 Aug 2014 #63

I've said nothing about "racists" eom. 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #153

Yes, and I don't know what part of unarmed teenager 20 feet away that they do not get. bettyellen Aug 2014 #65

Is it me... Docross Aug 2014 #67

i've seen it once or twice if i recall correctly. barbtries Aug 2014 #68

It is most assuredly not just you. riqster Aug 2014 #69

The same people who DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #73

It's not just you... n/t ljm2002 Aug 2014 #74

heh Quayblue Aug 2014 #75

I want to hear from the FBI right away. I want whoever is in charge of this matter to clarify DhhD Aug 2014 #85

because of all the calls of accusing the officer of being a murderer TorchTheWitch Aug 2014 #76

Do you believe ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #83

You just won your OWN DAMNED THREAD Number23 Aug 2014 #90

I will bow ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #93

. fishwax Aug 2014 #98

1SBM I think a large number of us know what's Greybnk48 Aug 2014 #123

How likely do you think it was that the shooting was actually justified? nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #92

no idea - no information yet about that TorchTheWitch Aug 2014 #144

There is so much to challenge in what you have posted; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #155

Butbutbut Mike Brown was big and scary and black! *Of course* he attacked the officer! nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #167

'Woman Claims Darren Wilson Told Her To "Shut The Fuck Up"' Demit Aug 2014 #163

You do realize your view of things essentially blames Mike Brown, on rather flimsy evidence? nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #169

SO BE IT????? heaven05 Aug 2014 #133

Yes I see the pattern! JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #77

Yer not imagining it The Traveler Aug 2014 #82

Maybe Michael brown was one of the hi-jackers on 9-11? nikto Aug 2014 #84

I'm not listening to that. An unarmed black teen was murdered by a Ferguson Police Officer. tavalon Aug 2014 #86

Bingo! nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #89

The FBI and the Justice Department are on the case. amandabeech Aug 2014 #88

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #91

We can't stop racism unless we acknowledge its presence and there are many racists present on DU Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #94

Oh, you noticed that ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #95

I think many do recognize it but are afraid to say anything Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #97

Funny ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #99

I did not see them, but I believe you because it is an obvious reality to anyone with open eyes Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #100

And would you care to hazard a guess as to the opposing argument was ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #102

Let me guess, "we need all the facts" Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #106

Nope ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #108

Oh yes, I have heard that one a lot Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #110

"I can think of there being at least 3 OPs with that exact title posted to the AA Group" Number23 Aug 2014 #112

so true. nt La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2014 #159

Yep -- I see many calls for "due process" for Officer Wilson. stranger81 Aug 2014 #96

We need to wait for the facts, but clearly Michael Brown was a thug fishwax Aug 2014 #101

unlike the officer of course cvoogt Aug 2014 #104

yup cvoogt Aug 2014 #103

Definitely and they are hitting all the right button issues that aid themselves AuntPatsy Aug 2014 #105

It was rampant with Trayvon Martin, JoeyT Aug 2014 #107

It's also considered a GIVEN that the cop had no choice. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #109

Always an urge to show off one way or another. IrishAyes Aug 2014 #111

It's not just you ismnotwasm Aug 2014 #113

Definitely noticing a trend... JPnoodleman Aug 2014 #114

I've thought the same thing. Lynching references are way overused anyway, but this is a nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #168

KIcK Cha Aug 2014 #115

Stockholm Syndrom imthevicar Aug 2014 #116

Many folks won't recognize their own biases IronLionZion Aug 2014 #117

Whitesplain RandiFan1290 Aug 2014 #118

The evidence at this point would have anyone else but a cop.. blackspade Aug 2014 #119

Victim blaming seems to be the new national pastime. Bettie Aug 2014 #121

why yes, yes I have heaven05 Aug 2014 #122

Yep, it's Trayvon Marton redux. MoonRiver Aug 2014 #128

Absolutely, this pattern jumped out at me right away. This has been the go-to response from GoneFishin Aug 2014 #129

Not just you. Very... interesting is the word I guess I will have to settle for to avoid a hide. nt stevenleser Aug 2014 #130

Yes gollygee Aug 2014 #138

Actually, I don't even think it's about "due process" ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #142

Yeah that could be too gollygee Aug 2014 #143

I've made reference to wanting "due process" cleduc Aug 2014 #161

See ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #162

To save me typing, cleduc Aug 2014 #166

"Guilty Until Proven Innocent"... cascadiance Aug 2014 #148

Isn't that the reality of what ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #156

It's not just you FiveGoodMen Aug 2014 #150

Oh god 1Strong! JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #151

Brown WAS a suspect ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #157

I concur JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #158

Link please. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #160

No, you're not alone sarge43 Aug 2014 #154