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freshwest

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108. WHY Obama cannot make any remarks considered prejudical or visit: WILSON WILL WALK!
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 02:37 AM
Aug 2014

Who remembers this? I did and so did Obama:

Judge: Obama sex assault comments unlawful command influence.

Two defendants in military sexual assault cases cannot be punitively discharged, if found guilty, because of “unlawful command influence” derived from comments made by President Barack Obama, a judge ruled in a Hawaii military court this week.

Navy Judge Cmdr. Marcus Fulton ruled during pretrial hearings in two sexual assault cases — U.S. vs. Johnson and U.S. vs. Fuentes — that comments made by Obama as commander in chief would unduly influence any potential sentencing, according to a court documents obtained by Stars and Stripes.

On Wednesday and Thursday, Fulton approved the pretrial defense motions, which used as evidence comments that Obama made about sexual assault at a May 7 news conference:


“The bottom line is: I have no tolerance for this,” Obama said, according to an NBC News story submitted as evidence by defense attorneys in the sexual assault cases.

‘I expect consequences,” Obama added. “So I don’t just want more speeches or awareness programs or training, but ultimately folks look the other way. If we find out somebody’s engaging in this, they’ve got to be held accountable — prosecuted, stripped of their positions, court martialed, fired, dishonorably discharged. Period.”


Continued in article:

http://www.stripes.com/judge-obama-sex-assault-comments-unlawful-command-influence-1.225974

to okaawhatever:


He wasn't talking about Johnson or Fuentes, he was making policy. It was in response and support of a bill to end sexual assaults in the military by not allowing them to be swept under the rug so many times.

The victim represented by the US never saw justice because of how the judge interpreted those words. I think the judge was wrong but that is what happened. So in order to not let that happen again, he cannot visit or say what he thinks on Wilson and all the rest of it.

It's not about him being a coward, not caring, or any of what he's been accused. It's about caring for the victim and his family enough to not have his words used to allow the shooter to escape justice.

Is that not a higher goal than satistfying voyeurs on the net demanding to see him rip into Ferguson PD and the shooter?

Is that cheap thrill worth letting Michael Brown and his community suffer by letting the defense use his words to establish undue influence to free Wilson?

Most of us know damn well that they will. This is a disgrace to talk about a man who is trying to get the best thing done, not go for the political win in the short run and lose the bigger goal of justice.

JMHO!

Nope, do not go quietly. notadmblnd Aug 2014 #1
Hey, it works for him when dealing with republicans elehhhhna Aug 2014 #2
The Great Neutralizer billhicks76 Aug 2014 #54
shout and cry out for justice. only the dead are silent roguevalley Aug 2014 #83
Too Many Apologists On DU billhicks76 Aug 2014 #107
That sounds about right. ReRe Aug 2014 #87
What do you think about the proposal of a 5 day moratorium on night time protests? pinto Aug 2014 #3
Restricting the right to peaceful assembly based on a clock? tavalon Aug 2014 #22
I saw a representative of the Black Panther Party propose that today. pinto Aug 2014 #38
Now, from that angle, yeah, it's a good idea tavalon Aug 2014 #40
As long as it is voluntary and it came from the black community it is interesting. cui bono Aug 2014 #69
Why? Why ask the protesters to be quiet? Is there some notion somewhere that this is just sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #43
Democracy is like genealogy... ReRe Aug 2014 #85
+1 Scuba Aug 2014 #114
No. ReRe Aug 2014 #91
So, you want dramatics and moving speeches CakeGrrl Aug 2014 #4
I think it is high time that Obama used his bully pulpit to address the black elephant in the room tavalon Aug 2014 #25
if ever there was a time cvoogt Aug 2014 #61
There is NO bully pulpit. There hasn't been since Reagan relaxed ownership laws BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #111
No, I've gotten the memo tavalon Aug 2014 #120
Rose Garden speeches rarely broadcast in their entirety. BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #121
He needs to take a stand and stop with the always present 'both sides did it'. This tactic happens sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #47
"Is he supposed to pump his fist and yell "fight the power!"?" cui bono Aug 2014 #66
And why is it that "some" people... ReRe Aug 2014 #94
Do not go gentle into that good night....... Autumn Aug 2014 #5
Sometimes the quietest one in the room is the smartest one. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #6
Yes. ^^^^^ KelleyD Aug 2014 #13
THANK YOU, SKP. elleng Aug 2014 #15
Thank you SKP. sheshe2 Aug 2014 #18
This is how President Obama is getting things done, she.. Cha Aug 2014 #50
Thank you Cha. sheshe2 Aug 2014 #53
Caption: cui bono Aug 2014 #71
NYC_SKP....Did you LISTEN to that Whole Speech? KoKo Aug 2014 #19
Sometimes I really wish there were a way that woo me with science Aug 2014 #23
Do it anyway. bravenak Aug 2014 #65
Now that would have been interesting. This would have been the perfect time to do it too. n/t cui bono Aug 2014 #73
No, just the part about Ferguson, excerpted here: NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #28
It's good we can differ without venom and vitriol.... KoKo Aug 2014 #35
No, you expressed it well, woo me with science Aug 2014 #39
He is not going to encourage a riot. Those are expected words coming from a President. JaydenD Aug 2014 #42
We understand he has to be Presidential and be a Calming influence..but KoKo Aug 2014 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author BuelahWitch Aug 2014 #57
Really? I listened too and read the transcript that I had no problem finding. sheshe2 Aug 2014 #64
a thing I've come to realize in my short life Quayblue Aug 2014 #62
That's true. You will NEVER please everyone. Which is why you need to decide which side sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #77
Thanks, that one's a keeper. freshwest Aug 2014 #104
Reading that took 5 minutes of my life that I will never get back bluestateguy Aug 2014 #7
So True! KelleyD Aug 2014 #11
Fail. nt ecstatic Aug 2014 #8
+ a million Number23 Aug 2014 #45
''he obviously doesn't understand anything about what folks are angry about. '' w.t.f. JaydenD Aug 2014 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author sheshe2 Aug 2014 #58
Can you just not give it a rest? Yeashhhhhh! Sick of it! KelleyD Aug 2014 #10
So are the residents of Ferguson Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #12
It's not the shouting; it's the shooting. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #14
Don't peg me. I stand with Ferguson..not trashing our POTHUS. So what? KelleyD Aug 2014 #16
I Watched It.. It was Shocking... How did you find the Transcript? KoKo Aug 2014 #17
You do realize that he is the President of the United States? KelleyD Aug 2014 #20
I believe the sign the college student seen in another thread stated explains the rage and AuntPatsy Aug 2014 #37
+1 cui bono Aug 2014 #74
The redneck yahoos are going to hate him no matter what BuelahWitch Aug 2014 #112
SHUT UP, LISTEN, GIT BACK IN UR HOUSE AND STAY THERE UNTIL SUNRISE! 951-Riverside Aug 2014 #21
K&R I feel sick, woo me with science Aug 2014 #24
Thanks WOO...it's good to know we still have a few folks fighting against KoKo Aug 2014 #31
+1 Police militarization, surveillance, assaults on journalism, persecution of whistleblowers... woo me with science Aug 2014 #41
There are threads explaining very well why Obama has to be circumspect in what he says. KittyWampus Aug 2014 #70
You continue to disappoint me, Bigtree. jaysunb Aug 2014 #26
I've read his ops lately I don't see hate, I read anger and frustration, considering everything both AuntPatsy Aug 2014 #30
Another hater's gonna hate! Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #32
There is no hatred in this post BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #33
There is actually a lot of hate… and ignorance. The only way not to see it is to share it. KittyWampus Aug 2014 #72
I always watch the President's statements and speeches if I'm near a TV. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #48
+1 n/t jaysunb Aug 2014 #49
You nailed it. And some folks have made being disingenous assholes their speciality Number23 Aug 2014 #55
yup CatWoman Aug 2014 #59
"Manufacturing outrage is fun and good for business I suppose" NYC Liberal Aug 2014 #68
Which office? We're talking about POTUS here. And he is NOT a liberal Democrat. cui bono Aug 2014 #76
Obama is a liberal Democrat and to assert otherwise laughably absurd. NYC Liberal Aug 2014 #92
You shouldn't call what Obama says "laughably absurd". cui bono Aug 2014 #93
I look at actions. Obama's actions are those of a liberal Democrat. NYC Liberal Aug 2014 #95
You calling Obama a liar? cui bono Aug 2014 #96
No. Where did he say he is not a liberal? NYC Liberal Aug 2014 #98
Right here: cui bono Aug 2014 #100
+1 sagat Aug 2014 #103
Examples of the hate please? Links? cui bono Aug 2014 #75
Because the president's feelings are what's clearly important here. Scootaloo Aug 2014 #82
I don't Grok my last sentence, but this I know. KelleyD Aug 2014 #27
K&R. AuntPatsy Aug 2014 #29
I'll repeat what the protestors told the Ferguson Police the other night csziggy Aug 2014 #34
Watched the whole press conference from start to finish. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #36
I've said it before, you've spent too much time in this forum. Seriously Number23 Aug 2014 #44
Oh, good, the "Blame Obama" people are here. 6000eliot Aug 2014 #46
I honestly don't see blaming anyone here? You know my son who is 28 told me the other night AuntPatsy Aug 2014 #63
I think he's doing what he can. 6000eliot Aug 2014 #84
What is he getting blamed for? n/t cui bono Aug 2014 #78
Presidentin' 6000eliot Aug 2014 #86
Presidentin' While Black frazzled Aug 2014 #89
So you're calling people in this thread racists? cui bono Aug 2014 #97
So nothing. Thought so. n/t cui bono Aug 2014 #90
I respect what President Obama is trying to say. Brigid Aug 2014 #52
Hmmm, so Lincoln said all that just a few yrs before he hung 38 Sioux... countryjake Aug 2014 #56
Horrific, and for the record why aren't all the horrors done by early Americans part of our teaching AuntPatsy Aug 2014 #67
I agree with him. You can "holler" all you want, but people won't listen to you, wisteria Aug 2014 #60
It is truly astounding all the rights that people are willing to give up in order to defend Obama. cui bono Aug 2014 #79
I find it truly astounding that people are so tone deaf and unaware of the facts.... sheshe2 Aug 2014 #106
What rights? treestar Aug 2014 #118
Actions speak louder than words. littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #80
I'm so sick and tired of STUPIDITY underthematrix Aug 2014 #81
Thank you for those facts, sorry it won't be popular, I guess. freshwest Aug 2014 #102
The president creeksneakers2 Aug 2014 #88
Agitating hate groups more will not help loyalsister Aug 2014 #99
President Bigtree has spoken BeyondGeography Aug 2014 #101
Hmm, some folks just need to stop being so VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #105
WHY Obama cannot make any remarks considered prejudical or visit: WILSON WILL WALK! freshwest Aug 2014 #108
Kick and Hell yes Recommend! sheshe2 Aug 2014 #109
Thanks, your thanks made me cry a little! Big day tomorrow, though! Night, sweets. freshwest Aug 2014 #110
Hugs to you my dear freshwest. sheshe2 Aug 2014 #113
You'e slamming him for that? treestar Aug 2014 #115
Any outrage widget will do. JoePhilly Aug 2014 #117
We definitely need more bluster!!!!! JoePhilly Aug 2014 #116
Here in Minneapolis Puglover Aug 2014 #119
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