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In reply to the discussion: Why does Belle Knox consider herself a feminist? [View all]Violet_Crumble
(36,461 posts)183. There's a few flaws in what you posted...
Since you know prostitution is a local issue there is no reason to invoke entirely irrelevant examples of Australia.
So, let me get this straight. For some reason you think it's only yr 'local issue' that should be discussed here at DU? That mine is 'entirely irrelevent'? I'm calling bullshit on that. I suspect the reason you don't want to talk about how it is here in the territory I live in is because it doesn't gel with yr narrative. I've got every bit as much right to talk about how prostitution is legal here and how sex workers have lots of protection that they don't have in the US as you've got to talk about whatever it is you think is relevant to a discussion.
I am sure if I Googled for a second I could find references to all kinds of child prostitution and human trafficking along with that legal prostitution in Australia.
Go google then. The results should be interesting.
You will of course ignore that just as you ignore the experiences of people like me and ism because our lives are inconsequential compared to the middle- and upper-middle class men whose rights to sex on demand to buy and sell human beings trump our wishes, and those of children in our communities, to be free from predation, rape, and, murder.
There you go inventing something that I most definitely don't think. Here's a reality check for you. I don't know what yrs or someone elses experiences are because I don't know what they are. But instead you decide to launch into a totally offensive and disgusting slur that I think pedophiles and sex traffickers are more worthy than you. You should apologise for that...
Why should I get offended? Because I and not you or Steve define who I am.
One point. I haven't defined you as anything. As for you getting offended? After reading what I just did where you said I think yr life is inconsequential compared to pedophiles and human traffickers, I care about as much as you care about offending me in yr initial post where you made a false claim about feminists who support legalised prostitution and porn. After all, if you'd cared about offending me, you wouldn't have made it even worse by writing what you did in the paragraph above...
That you so glibly dismiss the decades of community activism on the part of the African American community of Rhondo to dislodge a strip club and finally some years later get a library is not surprising.
I don't care if they're African/American, Amish, Orthodox Jews, or a collective of vegan Morrissey worshippers. All that time invested in what for what reason? To get a library? What an anti-climax. Libraries are sooo pre-internet. I would have gone for the gold and tried for an IKEA. Their Swedish meatballs are to-die-for!
What you think happens in Australia has no relevance whatsoever to my city.
Correction. It's what I KNOW about what happens where I live. There's no what I *think* about it. Have you read the legislation I've posted more than a few times here at DU? It applies to the territory I live in, not NSW or Victoria, where I don't know how it works. I'm happy to post it again if you'll read it and go through it line by line and tell me what yr objections to it is...
Since prostitution is local, what I think about the issue and what my community does has no impact on your life, and you have no reason to so glibly dismiss our experiences to support your classist notions.
Again, get used to the fact that this is a discussion forum. Yr not the only person here and you don't get to dictate what's relevant and what's not, especially when you've been talking away about prostitution in other countries. And 'glibly dismiss' translates as 'someone dares to disagree with you.' And I don't have classist notions, and have no idea why yr coming up with this stuff...
As for the history between us, I have already confronted you on those issues. I will not search for links of discussions that you yourself engaged in. I made myself quite clear at the time.
Translation: there's not one single link handy to that stuff you've accused me of. I haven't ever been nasty or offensive to you...
Outside of this one post, nothing I say relates to you, so you have no cause to become offended.
So now yr telling me what I should or shouldn't be offended by? I do get offended when I see someone trying to paint a completely incorrect and offensive picture of why other people, feminists amongst them, support legal porn and prostitution.
Y'know, there's one thing I don't get here. When it comes to universal health-care DUers are always pointing to examples in countries like my own as how it could be in the US. Yet when it comes to legalised porn and prostitution, suddenly examples somewhere where there's a welfare safety net, safe working conditions for sex workers, no pimps, no street prostitutes, and no stigma attached to being a sex worker, then it becomes all irrelevant for some reason. What I'm really curious about is what people who spend so much time talking about how terrible prostitution is and how much more terrible it is if it's legal, see as a solution? It's illegal in many parts of the US, so do they want the status quo to continue? I'd hope not, coz I've seen enough episodes of Cops to see how horrific it is. Or do they want it decriminalised? Or made legal with strict regulations?
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Yes, but I think you are the Queen of Bakerfield too, so that's different. Your majesty.
Squinch
Aug 2014
#37
Please note the lack of S in my Bakerfield. From one Monarch to another -
Tuesday Afternoon
Aug 2014
#64
Yes! My god, the condescending attitude towards sex workers disgusts me
freeplessinseattle
Aug 2014
#8
How are they "driven" into a job that pays well and allows them to be their own boss?
freeplessinseattle
Aug 2014
#76
Maybe she feels that women should be able to choose their paths in life
PersonNumber503602
Aug 2014
#10
Oh, probably just a bunch of people have me on ignore. I'm sure that's it. n/t
seaglass
Aug 2014
#81
If the RAH RAH PORN YAY dumbassery continues I might have to make it an OP. nt
redqueen
Aug 2014
#82
Of course, a truly empowered woman must be ashamed of her sexuality and not consume porn.
Kurska
Aug 2014
#14
Isn't like we're in a thread that questions if a woman can be a feminists who have a positive
Kurska
Aug 2014
#104
Would I need to provide you a link to the flowers when you're in the garden? n/t
Kurska
Aug 2014
#119
Right. So there is no link to a post where anyone said anything like what you describe.
Squinch
Aug 2014
#120
Got it. You can't provide a link to anyone saying anything like what you describe.
Squinch
Aug 2014
#134
So let's review the posts that say what you describe: Oh, right. There are none.
Squinch
Aug 2014
#136
Predatory Payday Lenders are fully consensual contracts between two adults.
LanternWaste
Aug 2014
#176
Yeah, cause reasonable restrictions on otherwise allowed activities (like maximum interest rate).
Kurska
Aug 2014
#182
Why do minors inevitably come up when there are discussions of pornography and prostitution here?
DemocratSinceBirth
Aug 2014
#20
Bill O'Reilly uses that same argument to oppose the legalization of marijuana
DemocratSinceBirth
Aug 2014
#25
Well, don't get me wrong- I think the prohibitionist/law enforcement approach to "drugs"
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2014
#175
I don't know how we went from discussing consensual sex to a murder spree...
DemocratSinceBirth
Aug 2014
#45
I've read through a few of the links and I don't see any documented evidence or proof
Yavin4
Aug 2014
#47
You still have not provided proof, just conjecture. I've found an actual study that contradicts you
Yavin4
Aug 2014
#54
because that is NOT the Discussion. Never has been. Legal, consenting, sound minded, ADULTS is NOT
Tuesday Afternoon
Aug 2014
#73
YOu are working very hard here to believe in fairy tales. I bet you believe they are working
Squinch
Aug 2014
#84
I don't necessarily oppose legalization, mind you, but there is evidence (as noted downthread)
nomorenomore08
Aug 2014
#106
Even if it's only a possibility, isn't it worth thinking about/discussing? Considering the gravity
nomorenomore08
Aug 2014
#109
If you are using your body in a performance, then it's not "selling" your body.
Yavin4
Aug 2014
#131
And the ones who insistently pretend that these facts aren't related to these industries...
redqueen
Aug 2014
#69
I can't think of lot of things that are more messed up than human trafficking...
DemocratSinceBirth
Aug 2014
#59
Because people can't or wont formulate arguments against consenting adult behavior
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2014
#87
Sort of like the single-minded determination to make arguments about consenting adults
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2014
#96
Thanks for linking to that interview VC, it was interesting. I don't know who Stoya is but she
seaglass
Aug 2014
#115
She knows she's privileged. And she doesn't pretend that porn is feminist because she chose it.
redqueen
Aug 2014
#156
Yes, because something may be personally empowering does not mean it's empowering for women
seaglass
Aug 2014
#166
And--- again. I'm gonna point it out because I think you may genuinely not realize you're doing it.
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2014
#141
Again, talking past each other, I'll only make three points and make them brief:
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2014
#143
I've told you at least 7 or 8 times that you keep putting words in other people's mouths
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2014
#147
And if the quotes meant what you are asserting they mean, then I'm calling the people who disagree
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2014
#155
Last time I checked this is a discussion forum where people disagree all the time...
Violet_Crumble
Aug 2014
#148
The reactions of you and 2nd wavers to folks like Violet and LadyHawkAZ are interesting,
stevenleser
Aug 2014
#152
Your link YET AGAIN confirms my point. In fact, you only addressed one of my 5 main points.
stevenleser
Aug 2014
#154
Why do I think being trafficked to country B is probably just as bad as country A?
stevenleser
Aug 2014
#158
No, what you are proposing does not do that. It does not limit the markets.
stevenleser
Aug 2014
#160
One would imagine people are heading to CO and WA to buy pot right now, too.
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2014
#162
That is an interesting dodge so let me give you an answer you cannot dodge.
stevenleser
Aug 2014
#184
Thats not the issue. The issue is exceeding the boundaries of a studies results.
stevenleser
Aug 2014
#191
I share your ambivalence, to a large extent. And I don't pretend to have definitive answers.
nomorenomore08
Aug 2014
#110
So when Icelandic pols actually did call for a ban & some people here went nuts in celebration
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2014
#163
The dogma of Choice Feminism says any choice a woman makes MUST NOT BE CRITICIZED
redqueen
Aug 2014
#170
I wonder how the industry is surviving at the moment and competing against free
jakeXT
Aug 2014
#173
The idea that female porn performers make the most money in the industry is bullshit.
redqueen
Aug 2014
#174
All people are creatures of their society. And Western society has become pornographied.
WinkyDink
Aug 2014
#167
Did I say anything about a dress code? I said what disparate cultures want of females. The West pays
WinkyDink
Aug 2014
#185
No, what's surprising is that anyone continues to try to flog that ridiculous false equivalence.
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2014
#186
but what about people who get off on telling other people what not to get off on?
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2014
#187