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malthaussen

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4. My vote was to use the rails.
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 11:46 AM
Aug 2014

My reasoning is this: pipelines are permanent infrastructure (and highly susceptible to attack, although fortunately we've avoided that). Not only do they require large investment up-front (good for jobs in the short term, I guess), but they will require maintenance. In the current spending environment, maintenance of infrastructure is a pipe dream (so to speak). Of course, that could be an argument in favor of the pipelines, which at least will be new and not dependant on our eroding rail infrastructure.

But if we do find ourselves somehow reducing or eliminating our reliance on oil in the foreseeable future, then the pipelines will be obsolete, but still standing. Hard to imagine that they would be disassembled, since our attitude towards such things is "let 'em rust." Whereas extant rail lines transport other goods besides crude.

Thirdly, a pipeline breach could be much more destructive than a train spill, because the oil will continue to flow until cut off. With isolated pumping stations and few ready personnel, the response time could be significant. And once the pipe is breached, it has to be repaired,
necessitating alternate means of transport until it is fixed. That would be rails, again.

Of course what we need to do short-term is improve our goddam infrastructure, would would have the benefit of employing citizens and increasing safety and efficiency. I daresay it would cut down on the chance of a rail spill as well.

-- Mal

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My vote was to build the pipelines. MineralMan Aug 2014 #1
Here's a map of the proposed Keystone Pipeline routes: MineralMan Aug 2014 #2
And here's a map of existing major crude oil and natural gas MineralMan Aug 2014 #3
My vote was to use the rails. malthaussen Aug 2014 #4
Thanks for your detailed response. MineralMan Aug 2014 #6
To say nothing of hazardous materials transported by truck. malthaussen Aug 2014 #9
Really. Recently on a major Interstate through my area, MineralMan Aug 2014 #10
I guess you didn't watch the VICE documentary about oil by rail I posted, this will change your mind snooper2 Aug 2014 #15
Spills on the surface can be detected immediately and cleaned up as much as possible. A spill into jwirr Aug 2014 #5
That's a fair point. Following the leaky crude oil car I mentioned MineralMan Aug 2014 #7
As I said in my response. I would much prefer to start making a swift change to alternatives. Until jwirr Aug 2014 #8
I understand. Both methods are of concern to me, too. MineralMan Aug 2014 #11
It is interesting how many of these pipelines we have had put in here in MN without any notices or jwirr Aug 2014 #16
There probably are or were public notices and hearings. MineralMan Aug 2014 #18
Move the refineries to where the oil is. GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #12
Ah, but that doesn't solve the problem, really. MineralMan Aug 2014 #13
Crude Oil and Refined Product Pipelines - Guess Who Owns Them in MN? MineralMan Aug 2014 #14
Oh great now I am really upset. jwirr Aug 2014 #17
Evening kick. MineralMan Aug 2014 #19
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