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In reply to the discussion: I wish we could kill every breathing fucking member of ISIS..... [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)VICE may have shown their videos of them raping those women and girls and killing them, and trumad may have seen those videos. He has kids. I'm sure that Obama saw those before he ordered humanitarian aid and the airpower to support it. But he spoke carefully, not throwing any red meat like Bush did to satisfy the desire of the masses for bread and circuses. Just as he's been circumspect on Ferguson, but it's deprived many of their meal, too.
He is doing so because he cares about results, not what people think of him. Last time his policy words, which most Americans would agree with fully, set two alleged rapists free:
Judge: Obama sex assault comments unlawful command influence.
...Two defendants in military sexual assault cases cannot be punitively discharged, if found guilty, because of unlawful command influence derived from comments made by President Barack Obama, a judge ruled in a Hawaii military court this week.
Navy Judge Cmdr. Marcus Fulton ruled during pretrial hearings in two sexual assault cases U.S. vs. Johnson and U.S. vs. Fuentes that comments made by Obama as commander in chief would unduly influence any potential sentencing, according to a court documents obtained by Stars and Stripes.
On Wednesday and Thursday, Fulton approved the pretrial defense motions, which used as evidence comments that Obama made about sexual assault at a May 7 news conference:
The bottom line is: I have no tolerance for this, Obama said, according to an NBC News story submitted as evidence by defense attorneys in the sexual assault cases.
I expect consequences, Obama added. So I dont just want more speeches or awareness programs or training, but ultimately folks look the other way. If we find out somebodys engaging in this, theyve got to be held accountable prosecuted, stripped of their positions, court martialed, fired, dishonorably discharged. Period.
Continued in article:
http://www.stripes.com/judge-obama-sex-assault-comments-unlawful-command-influence-1.225974
to okaawhatever:
He wasn't talking about Johnson or Fuentes, he was making policy. It was in response and support of a bill to end sexual assaults in the military by not allowing them to be swept under the rug by technicalities, such as how good a soldier they'd been otherwise.
The victims represented by the US never saw justice because of the way that the judge interpreted those words. I think the judge was wrong but that is what happened. So in order to not let that happen again, he cannot visit or say what he thinks on Wilson and all the rest of it...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025408826#post66
Our leaders will be found wrong by all sides no matter what they say or do on these situations, but will stick to the longer term goal, no matter who complains.
In the meantime, there is no national will to stop ISIS in the world by the USA mobilizing to do such and I'm not saying we should. We will stand by and hope it all goes away without overt or covert actions. We can't be seen as endorsing any military or monetary policy to eliminate them on DU. We can't join in the chorus of Islamophobic RWers, they are wrong.
This is a tough time to live in this world with increased population and depleted resources and the ravages of climate change. Things are going to get very rough. JMHO.