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TheKentuckian

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36. I'm not sure the spectrum just hasn't shifted under my feet.
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 01:58 PM
Apr 2012

Conservatism used to pull against liberalism but now the struggle is between conservatism and radical regressive reactionaries.

I have grown more anti-establishment but that is a reaction to systemic failure and ever deepening corruption, which moves me to be a bit of a radical because I am seemingly ever less tolerant of propping up systems captured to work against the common good, regardless if they represent the common asserted preference or not, Popularity is a poor substitute for function.

Another factor is that time is not kind to the rot around us. Every day aspects of our failed systems become harder to avoid, pretend away, or diligently and optimistically work around. As such, my instincts toward compromise are undercut by the sheer impossibility of such an arrangement not to make matters worse and far worse over time which means both tolerance for the opposition and the acceptance of engaging in such efforts diminishes.
Seeing what the right wing policies have wrought and the blowback from their worldview has made assimilation and adoption of such more and more unacceptable.

I lean heavily toward the ground moving versus people. I think often of Justice Stevens who retired the "liberal lion" of the Supreme Court that was appointed by a Republican and was himself a Republican, not that surprises and evolution don't happen but Stevens was of the impression that he had changed very little in his bent. Maybe he had more than he thinks but even accounting for personal blind spots I would argue a clear and very substantial rightward shift in the effective political spectrum.

I don't know when next a Stevens will be nominated much less confirmed. I'm pretty damn sure it would require at least 67 Democratic Senators and a hell of an arm twisting firebrand of a President.
The sad part is the swing right is still going. Remember how fucking wrongheaded and full of shit the Republicans were just 15 years ago? Think about how "awesome" it would be to have the government shutdown assclowns and Poppy and Dole now. Hell compare Junior Bush to the fuckwits they have now.
Take a look at our biggest policy proposals. Look at the perverse consensus on civil liberties.

Maybe you are more liberal but even if you were a moderate Republican a generation ago and didn't change much at all you might find yourself a fairly progressive Democrat now, maybe even a what passes for leftist today. If you used to be a moderately liberal Democrat and stayed the same ideologically then you are fringe now, at best.
There is no left radical influence on the spectrum but the right is roughly mainstream up to Ayatollah land and open fascism with no shortage of influence from across the fences with incredible range on the reach.

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In my youth, I was merely liberal. no_hypocrisy Apr 2012 #1
Now, that is a good explanation of where I feel like I am coming from. Hepburn Apr 2012 #2
For the win! mac56 Apr 2012 #3
At the ripe old age of 52..... Howler Apr 2012 #4
"I also seem to be getting too liberal for the existing Democratic party." CrispyQ Apr 2012 #57
Its so sad isnt it!!! Howler Apr 2012 #64
I'm there too! Greybnk48 Apr 2012 #5
Me too! I used to think of myself as conservative until I realized SharonAnn Apr 2012 #26
Same here at 61 duhneece Apr 2012 #6
I think I've become more conservative paulk Apr 2012 #7
The more conservative policy gets crammed down my throat, the more liberal/progressive I get. Old and In the Way Apr 2012 #8
I'm in the same boat! Of course these days one can just stand still and RKP5637 Apr 2012 #9
Same for me. hifiguy Apr 2012 #10
Was raised in moderate Dem house kctim Apr 2012 #11
You're still younger than the average Fox News viewer. onehandle Apr 2012 #12
I have definitely become more... Whiskeytide Apr 2012 #13
Multiple shifts FreeJoe Apr 2012 #14
I'm the same... Magoo48 Apr 2012 #15
I've resisted the categorization of American politics created by the media tularetom Apr 2012 #16
Absolutely. ananda Apr 2012 #17
I find that I'm a Progressive who's become impatient with centrist liberals and Bluedogs leveymg Apr 2012 #18
Same here, though I was born only in the 70's. Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #19
That's pretty much where I am. Lugnut Apr 2012 #20
Love the replies here, they give me a tiny bit of hope. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #21
Count me in! blitzburgh55 Apr 2012 #22
As I age I found that I have become more cautios... wandy Apr 2012 #23
~lol CrispyQ Apr 2012 #58
The country has moved to the right felix_numinous Apr 2012 #24
I've become more cynical about establishment politics as I've aged. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2012 #25
At 70, my position would be a liberal, but in Eisenhower-Kennedy years, my same position was... dmosh42 Apr 2012 #27
Count me in! nt avebury Apr 2012 #28
Nah. lolita Apr 2012 #29
I went from ignorant conservative to far-left liberal in a very few short weeks 40 years ago.... Scuba Apr 2012 #30
Is being a liberal a choice or is this how you were made? AngryAmish Apr 2012 #31
As I grow older I get more experience that confirms what I thought when I was younger. Thus jwirr Apr 2012 #32
More steadfastly and confidently liberal, but less optimistic about the near-term prospects TahitiNut Apr 2012 #33
I'll be 64 in November HockeyMom Apr 2012 #34
Awesome post, HockeyMom! Kath1 Apr 2012 #66
Hey Scorpio! I'll be 64 on Nov. 9th! Greybnk48 Apr 2012 #80
I grew up in a home full of conservatives abelenkpe Apr 2012 #35
I'm not sure the spectrum just hasn't shifted under my feet. TheKentuckian Apr 2012 #36
Exactly. I may be slightly more Liberal. But our government is a *lot* more Rightist. n/t ieoeja Apr 2012 #46
I'm not sure if this counts, but... Jamaal510 Apr 2012 #37
I haven't changed much....... socialist_n_TN Apr 2012 #38
In my case, yes! Ron Obvious Apr 2012 #39
I was a Republican until it became asjr Apr 2012 #40
I was a right-wing jackass when I was 18 Papagoose Apr 2012 #41
been liberal cindyperry2010 Apr 2012 #42
I've become more Conservative. Doc_Technical Apr 2012 #43
I remain the same. But why I am liberal is much more clarified. MissMarple Apr 2012 #44
I've become more conservative as I have aged. Bette Noir Apr 2012 #45
where do you lean? LittleGirl Apr 2012 #47
I have always felt I was a social democrat. southernyankeebelle Apr 2012 #48
I would say what you said..perfect... movonne Apr 2012 #49
I find I'm the same everyone else has moved so far right nineteen50 Apr 2012 #50
I just turned 50 but have been moving leftward over the past half dozen years Populist_Prole Apr 2012 #51
Same here! Kath1 Apr 2012 #52
I voted for Jimmy Carter and measured my own political beliefs then as a little left of his. hunter Apr 2012 #53
As long as I can think, see and hear.... Chakaconcarne Apr 2012 #54
I was always a progressive/populist, but in the last 15 years... ColesCountyDem Apr 2012 #55
I have been pretty liberal since 1992, when I first became interested in politics. Jennicut Apr 2012 #56
You'll probably become more liberal. Kath1 Apr 2012 #61
I have been the same Democrat I have been for 35 years Dragonfli Apr 2012 #59
Yes, absolutely, BUT mojowork_n Apr 2012 #60
a president trying to pass Republican policies from circa 1992 is considered flaming leftest Johonny Apr 2012 #62
Oh hell yeah. I've moved from "radical liberal" to "totally gone beyond left" Zorra Apr 2012 #63
Good for you, Zorra! Kath1 Apr 2012 #65
But still not quite ready for "Comrade Zorra"......... socialist_n_TN Apr 2012 #71
lol! Actually, "Comrade Zorra" Zorra Apr 2012 #75
damn, can't remember where I read it (because I am getting old) rufus dog Apr 2012 #67
I thought I was liberal in my youth and then I got a lot older Irishonly Apr 2012 #68
I'm just a tad older than you, but I have walked the same path Stinky The Clown Apr 2012 #69
Oh yes XanaDUer Apr 2012 #70
Am I getting more liberal, or is the country around me getting more wing-nutty? n/t SpankMe Apr 2012 #72
Truly, sometimes I feel like Nixon would be raouldukelives Apr 2012 #76
If I grow more liberal when I age... Neoma Apr 2012 #73
Although my views change at the margins, I'm about as liberal as I was as a 19 year old. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #74
Yup. The longer we live, the more we have a chance to learn. MineralMan Apr 2012 #77
Same here madokie Apr 2012 #78
What's crazy is that I used to consider myself a moderate liberal - but now I find out that jillan Apr 2012 #79
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