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TheMadMonk

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33. Around Chernobyl yes, but in much lower numbers than doomsdayers...
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 02:33 PM
Apr 2012

...predicted. Around Fukushima, quite possibly, but given the relatively (to Chernobyl) low exposure levels, probably in numbers low enough that it will be dificult to tease them from the natural background.

TMI, Sellafield, and other bogeyman cluster sites? Someone recently did a reverse statistical analysis, just to see what size and distribution of clusters ordinary random variation might produce, ENTIRELY INDEPENDENT of any causative agency. Result, ALL of those "strongly indicative" cancer clusters turned out to be pretty much indistinguishable from background noise.

This is not to say that TMI, Sellafield, etc. are absolutely and definitively not causative agents, simply that it can not be demonstrated (or honestly argued) that they are, or even might be, and no amount of wishing, wailing, gnashing of teeth and poking holes in maps with righteously jabbed fingers will change that.

More people die unnatural, non-accidental deaths around the refineries and other oil facilities of Texas EVERY YEAR than Chernobly has demonstrably killed in the last QUARTER OF A CENTURY.

On a related note: Overhead powerlines, and cellphone towers are a lot more ubiquitous than nuclear power plants. For them it CAN be argued with a great deal of certitude, that they present minimal danger to the genome and their greatest carnage is entirely to the hip pocket.

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Seriously? We're screwn. That radiation is EVERYWHERE -- why on earth do they pretend gateley Apr 2012 #1
Seriously, you need to get an education. Coal fired plants emit more "fallout"... TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #6
sure are wasting a lot of money on all those containment facilities than got root Apr 2012 #9
GLOBAL and LOCAL are two very different things. TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #15
Thanks for your very sane comment. truedelphi Apr 2012 #36
Gosh! I had NO IDEA cole fired plants emit fallout! Well since they're WORSE, lets gateley Apr 2012 #11
Actually, I'm comforted by you lot, despite fifty years of trying, failing... TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #16
The earth is flat Generic Other Apr 2012 #24
6000 years old nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #28
NO! Radiation can hurt you. It can hurt you a lot IF you get a big enough dose. TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #41
My relatives live within 100 miles of Fukushima Generic Other Apr 2012 #50
Belief and worry are almost certainly doing your relatives more damage... TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #52
You willing to eat their crops? For how long? Generic Other Apr 2012 #53
Perfectly willing. I'm sure you're aware of the health effects of stress. TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #54
What goes around comes around Generic Other Apr 2012 #56
Well in all sincerity, I wish you luck and I wish I COULD be swayed. gateley Apr 2012 #26
Really? When, with a different subject, (and poorer spelling) your post might... TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #42
It was undetectable later because, as you note, it was radioactive iodine they were checking for. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #46
Since AFAIK, nothing concentrates caesium in it's tissues, like kelp... TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #51
Hope you're right. nt Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #55
Should I pretend to be a smidgen surprised? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #2
Only if you forgot about all the conversations we had Rex Apr 2012 #40
"If I should remark that in the Pacific depths. . . Journeyman Apr 2012 #3
f-----! FirstLight Apr 2012 #4
"it was undetectable a month later. Iodine 131 "has an eight-day half-life..." uppityperson Apr 2012 #5
Iodine 131 has a half life of eight days nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #17
I notice you conveniently omitted the following paragraph... TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #7
Maybe it was omitted because only 4 paragraphs are allowed to be excerpted. neverforget Apr 2012 #8
That's more likely to be excuse than reason. Four is a guideline... TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #12
sure, nothing to worry about, coal fall out is even worse got root Apr 2012 #10
Umm, I always post the first four graphs of any article, with a link..... marmar Apr 2012 #14
Oh he will... nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #18
Even if those four paragraphs beg a different conclusion, than... TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #20
"It seems ALL you every do in an OP is post the first four paras, then sit back and wait ..." marmar Apr 2012 #21
I in fact do click links. I also know (as I'm sure you do) that a hell of a lot... TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #30
Like me, he always posts the first four paras nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #19
Cancer rates will go up. Mimosa Apr 2012 #25
Well it's not cover nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #27
Around Chernobyl yes, but in much lower numbers than doomsdayers... TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #33
Yup, this is why Chernobyl is still an exclusion zone nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #44
Almost certainly. By an amount so small as to be essentially indistinguishable... TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #34
Doh abelenkpe Apr 2012 #13
Fergedaboutit. Minus time from the smog certainly helped more... TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #35
i look forward to it being in the toothpaste of our economic overlords. NuttyFluffers Apr 2012 #22
Get your bananas malaise Apr 2012 #23
Not surprising. There was a release from MineralMan Apr 2012 #29
the problem is much bigger than the iodine -radiation truedelphi Apr 2012 #37
Sounds like a pretty boring diet, really. MineralMan Apr 2012 #38
that beautiful coastline in California is going lovuian Apr 2012 #31
No, it's not. zappaman Apr 2012 #32
Not until the next major earthquake, it's not. MineralMan Apr 2012 #39
If San Onofre goes... nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #45
Apparently this was from rain during that time suffragette Apr 2012 #43
Hold it, some of us said 8-10 days for jet stream to bring it over nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #47
Yes, I remember those days, too, and in the same way suffragette Apr 2012 #48
You remember correctly nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #49
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