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In reply to the discussion: My theory as to why Michael Brown's body lay in the street for at least 5 hours [View all]Ms. Toad
(38,678 posts)240. Again - you are misstating the concept of strict liability.
If you can escape liability by being careful enough, it is not strict liability.
The person using such a weapon is bound to a high degree of care to prevent injuries to others. All the cases hold a strict rule of accountability for the want of extraordinary care in the use of firearms.
In other words, if you use a firearm with extraordinary care and something bad happens, you are not liable. No strict liabiilty.
"Shooting at mark is lawful but not necessary and may be dangerous and the law requires extraordinary care to prevent injury to others; and if the act is done where there are objects from which the balls may glance the act is wanton, without due care and grossly negligent." In the same case it was held that it is immaterial that the injury was unintentional and that the ball glanced from the intended object.
In other words, if you use a firearm with extraordinary care (or with due care and not in a wanton or grossly negligent manner) and something bad happens you are not liable, because whether you are liable depends on whether you were careful enough. Intent as to consequences has nothing to do with (is immaterial to) whether you were careful enough. Again, no strict liability.
The injury was unintentional, but the shooting, at the time and place, was grossly negligent and careless.
Again, if you are not grossly negligent and careless, and something bad happens, you are not liable. No strict liability.
It is not a matter of word choice - it is a matter of two distinct concepts: whether how careful you are matters (negligence) or not (strict liability). In strict liability cases, you can take the utmost precautions in the world - better precautions than anyone else has ever done before - but if something bad happens you are still liable. That what strict liability means. In negligence cases, on the other hand, if you are careful enough - no matter how horrendous the disaster you cause is - you are not liable. In every single tort case you have cited there is a description of how careful you have to be - which means it is negligence, not strict liability. What is "careful enough" depends on who you are, what you are doing, and issues of land possession which aren't relevant here. What the cases you are citing say - essentially - is that if you are using a gun you have to be extraordinarily careful.
All the legal history in the world is not going to change the basic conceptual distinction between strict liability and negligence. What activities fall in which category may change. For example, aviation used to be a strict liability act. Over time, as flying became more routine, it was dropped from the list of acts which are so dangerous that we impose liability merely for engaging in them. Generally, the law doesn't like strict liability and is moving activities out of that category, rather than in - because, making someone liable no matter what is often unfair and - eventually - the category you are trying to put firing a gun in may be eliminated entirely. That's where the law review article suggests -eliminating strict liability entirely and replacing it with a negligence. I'm surprised you would cite that, though, because it is the opposite of what you are arguing - which is that an expanded category of acts that create strict liability category including firing a gun.
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My theory as to why Michael Brown's body lay in the street for at least 5 hours [View all]
CatWoman
Aug 2014
OP
I think this is key. It wasn't a direct fuck you to the community, rather an subconscious,
Ed Suspicious
Aug 2014
#223
You are wrong. Not normal for a crime scene body to lie uncovered for that long.
Tommymac
Aug 2014
#72
Just answer the question you've been asked--you're inviting comment by being coy.
MADem
Aug 2014
#230
Were you an MP/MAA with the attendant MOS/NEC or was this a collateral assignment?
MADem
Aug 2014
#234
HIPAA is supposed to preserve privacy for a half century after death, but in reality, privacy
MADem
Aug 2014
#237
BULLSHIT!! I have had the unfortunate experience to happen across the body of a minister
Ecumenist
Aug 2014
#138
Can you tell me HOW MANY HOMICIDES you've investigated? HOW MANY murders of UNARMED
Ecumenist
Aug 2014
#150
Why did Michael Brown receive no medical attention? Is that police protocol also?
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#161
Sabrina, Lurks has a bootleg Palinesque sorta kinda legal education and apparently, they are also
Ecumenist
Aug 2014
#184
I understand, thought I might get an answer to my question, but that might be beyond the
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#199
Lurks seems to be one of the trolls who are determined to somehow justify the out and out
Ecumenist
Aug 2014
#202
see the video I just posted twice down below, I think the dude with medical kit
snooper2
Aug 2014
#215
That's why all the speculation and random people just saying things isn't "evidence"
snooper2
Aug 2014
#214
There is a video that is 10 minutes long that started about 2 minutes after it happened
snooper2
Aug 2014
#131
But they didn't even allow a nurse who came upon the scene to even CHECK him!
Cooley Hurd
Aug 2014
#8
Technically that patient is alive until someone declares him dead or rigor mortis has set in
Horse with no Name
Aug 2014
#79
Hey Genius...YOU HAVE NO IDEA what the hell you're talking about....People survive DEVASTATING
Ecumenist
Aug 2014
#166
DId some tough talking rightwing moron say something like "steal from me and you die"
BaggersRDumb
Aug 2014
#178
It is standard police procedure in every major crime, especially a shooting,
Lurks Often
Aug 2014
#49
I noticed crickets in response to my question, all of which triggered some vague memories
VanGoghRocks
Aug 2014
#104
Oh, snap! Your awesome sarcasm aside, I think there is some sort of rule\law that says that
VanGoghRocks
Aug 2014
#151
Had the police officer been the one to die, I think it's safe to assume the Ferguson PD would have
VanGoghRocks
Aug 2014
#38
I heard it was a white SUV with no markings whatsoever, not a police vehicle
Lurks Often
Aug 2014
#58
I'm waiting for you to discuss and give you your vaunted opinion on when someone with a brain
Ecumenist
Aug 2014
#181
Is it that I've made up my mind or that you're admitting that you don't know what the fuck
Ecumenist
Aug 2014
#185
Sure so EVERYONE else is lying, including the NURSE that begged them to let them ASSESS the
Ecumenist
Aug 2014
#187
One more time, HOW MANY HOMICIDES HAVE YOU INVESTIGATED, LURKER? See, you're talking to the
Ecumenist
Aug 2014
#190
You were a lot shorter then I was, but straight to the point, I went on and on.
happyslug
Aug 2014
#114
You've cobbled together a lot of pieces of law that don't really say what you think they say.
Ms. Toad
Aug 2014
#183
Generally speaking, there is not strict liability for bullets (or arrows, for that matter).
Ms. Toad
Aug 2014
#205
I READ the documentation, such documents must be read strictly and carefully
happyslug
Aug 2014
#231
BS. It was the same deal when after they lynched someone they left the body up.
Katashi_itto
Aug 2014
#110
No, it's not. See second shooting in nearby town where the body was removed in the NORMAL amount of
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#154
I would think trying to SAVE SOMEONE would come first!!!!!! You speak as though a coroner had been
WinkyDink
Aug 2014
#173
They didn't even have the decency to put up fucking privacy screens. (Those
VanGoghRocks
Aug 2014
#31
They should have instantly put the body in the SUV and driven to the coroner
Travis_0004
Aug 2014
#57
Same reason as the Romans crucified people. Same reason the Saudis do so now even post execution.
TheKentuckian
Aug 2014
#68
Spot On. Like leaving the body hanging for days to warn those uppity black folks.
Tommymac
Aug 2014
#92
This, and now, the (little) Grand (white) Jury will delay their ? until mid-October...
Amonester
Aug 2014
#83
Agree. Even if they had to "process the crime scene," there are screens that can be placed
Hoyt
Aug 2014
#84
They treated the parents of Travon Martin like they were asking them, "Is this dead cat yours?"
Spitfire of ATJ
Aug 2014
#107
I'll bet my rear if it were Wilson down, they would have put up screens or had police
Hoyt
Aug 2014
#118
Catwoman, as a black woman, that's EXACTLY what it was meant for It's the same thing
Ecumenist
Aug 2014
#133
AMEN, Catwoman and they have the collosal nerve to make these comments while admitting
Ecumenist
Aug 2014
#147