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malthaussen

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21. Indeed, and there are those whose religious dedication...
Fri Aug 22, 2014, 04:43 PM
Aug 2014

... would find your "ethical smorgasbord" (I forget who originated that one, "buffet" would do, too) to be the most immoral thing of all, which is irony if you like. I've spent way too much time reading tedious diatribes by religious authority figures, who would find the concept of an individual setting himself up as the arbitor of right and wrong (even for himself, or should I say "especially?&quot , and relying on the use of his "reason" to address such questions, the greatest anathema of all. And I don't think that idea has completely fallen out of favor. Humanists are still in bad odor with fundamentalist types, and probably always will be, since the one relies on reason and the other, faith.

My own observation has shown that people who spend time thinking about ethics tend to act, overall, more "morally" than those who rely on authority for guidance. However, for those who can't be bothered to think much about ethics, authority does serve, to a greater or lesser extent, as a governor on their actions. This is why I cannot, ultimately, condemn religion out of hand. The Enlightenment idea that education and leisure would lead to a better class of human seems to have been rather more optimistic than was expected. Although we must also ask ourselves how much of our current state is due to men of ill-will securing the reins of government and controlling the flow of ideas. But then again, the Truth is Out There, so ultimately some degree of responsibility for lax ethics (or morals) must devolve on the laziness or disinterest of the individual. Religion has always served as a club to keep men in line, and while the use of this club has been of obvious benefit to its wielders, it must also be confessed that it has been of some benefit to those of us who've had to dodge it.

-- Mal

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Morals vs. Ethics [View all] MineralMan Aug 2014 OP
Good question brutus cassius Aug 2014 #1
It's a simple distinction. rug Aug 2014 #2
Circular logic? brutus cassius Aug 2014 #3
No, etymology. rug Aug 2014 #5
Yes, I know what your words were. brutus cassius Aug 2014 #9
It's hardly another way of saying what you're saying. rug Aug 2014 #22
Moral Relativism ProfessorGAC Aug 2014 #7
Remember Papa Hemingway's definition? malthaussen Aug 2014 #4
I didn't remember that. Was that a direct quote MineralMan Aug 2014 #6
From Death in the Afternoon. malthaussen Aug 2014 #8
Morality as most people understand it usually has its roots MineralMan Aug 2014 #15
Indeed, and there are those whose religious dedication... malthaussen Aug 2014 #21
Lots of those brutus cassius Aug 2014 #10
You are making the difference between corporate and political to be far greater than it really is arcane1 Aug 2014 #11
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #23
My example was not exclusive. Truly. MineralMan Aug 2014 #17
Excellent post malaise Aug 2014 #12
Thanks for understanding my point. MineralMan Aug 2014 #13
It's a war I've been fighting for decades malaise Aug 2014 #14
For me, reason trumps religion always. MineralMan Aug 2014 #16
Precisely and while all religions have some moral code malaise Aug 2014 #20
I saw a unicorn in a dream once. Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2016 #24
Sometimes they are used synonymnously. Vattel Aug 2014 #18
Yes, they often are used that way. I prefer not to do so. MineralMan Aug 2014 #19
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