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PoliticAverse

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45. From Slater's website...
Fri Aug 22, 2014, 04:58 PM
Aug 2014
http://www.djsphotography.co.uk/Tropical%20Forests/Sulawesi%20Macaques.htm :

It was about midday on the second day and the monkeys, about 25 strong of all ages, halted for a rest and a grooming session. It had been a hard day as usual, slashing through tangled and very humid jungle, climbing over and squating under fallen trees, all with a 20kg backpack on full of expensive camera gear. I sat close by them, camera at the ready as always. I must have tuned in to them, because after some time a few brave monkeys began to come closer, and slowly but surely began paying me more attention. I held out my hand and WOW, one held my hand back. Shock! This went on for maybe 15 minutes. They started to groom me, picking through my hair as I knelt on the ground, hunched over my camera, but desperate to record it all. I knew about monkey etiquette from many previous encounters around the world, and this made that knowledge so much more than worthwhile.

I decided to set up the camera on a beanbag on a log, self-timer all set. I was afraid they would run off of course, but they didn't. Rather, they grabbed my camera! Quick thinking had my guide rushing to save it - lesson learnt. Setting up the camera again, some of the cheekier monkeys had now got bored, and now even my guide had wandered off for a smoke. I was alone and had to encourage the monkeys back to me for my intended contact experience photo. Soon enough, I was jokingly asking for his help again as the monkeys looked increasingly cheeky as they touched the camera with that glint in their piercing red eyes. It was now that I heard some frames reeled off when my guide struggled to keep the camera from little monkey fingers - the scene was set.

I wanted to keep my new found friends happy and with me. I now wanted to get right in their faces with a wide angle lens, but that was proving too difficult as they were nervous of something - I couldn't tell what. So I put my camera on a tripod with a very wide angle lens, settings configured such as predictive autofocus, motorwind, even a flashgun, to give me a chance of a facial close up if they were to approach again for a play. I duly moved away and bingo, they moved in, fingering the toy, pressing the buttons and fingering the lens. I was then to witness one of the funniest things ever as they grinned, grimaced and bared teeth at themselves in the reflection of the large glassy lens. Was this what they where afraid of earlier? Perhaps also the sight of the shutter planes moving within the lens also amused or scared them? They played with the camera until of course some images were inevitably taken! I had one hand on the tripod when this was going on, but I was being prodded and poked by would be groomers and a few playful juveniles who nibbled at my arms. Eventually the dominant male at times became over excited and eventually gave me a whack with his hand as he bounced off my back. I new then that I had to leave before I possibly got him too upset. The whole experiance lasted about 30 minutes.




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Is it a monkey or an ape? Orrex Aug 2014 #1
A macaque monkey in Indonesia apparently... PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #2
Will that have any bearing on the legality of this issue? In_The_Wind Aug 2014 #4
Glad that you asked! Orrex Aug 2014 #5
Well then, that settles that. In_The_Wind Aug 2014 #9
You are very surili. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #35
It does if some other animal wanted to ape its style... n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #7
They'd have to adjust the camera's aperture. Orrex Aug 2014 #10
It would need time Aerows Aug 2014 #25
if it has a tail it's a monkey- no tail it's an ape leftyohiolib Aug 2014 #26
That's what I thought. Then, by the article's reckoning... Orrex Aug 2014 #30
Funny, recent stories I've been reading about this says the photog claimed justiceischeap Aug 2014 #3
That's about how long it takes a photography student to figure it out, too. Orrex Aug 2014 #6
Cool selfie. Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #8
Thank you. I thought it could've used more contrast, but I'm still happy with it. bluesbassman Aug 2014 #17
I think I'll email that whenever someone asks me for a photo... n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #22
What an excellent sense of composition and color lunatica Aug 2014 #44
I disagree> the photographer owned the camera, the film and thus the rights to the images KittyWampus Aug 2014 #11
Interesting. If you take a picture with my camera, do I own that picture? Orrex Aug 2014 #14
Having an animal take a picture is the exact same as simply having ones camera KittyWampus Aug 2014 #27
Why should the photographer get to copyright random shots? Orrex Aug 2014 #33
Sometimes the photographer does - Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #53
I agree completely (nt) Orrex Aug 2014 #54
Nope. Xithras Aug 2014 #20
a monkey isn't a person. Thus the photos are the same as if photographer had set camera up KittyWampus Aug 2014 #28
I think that's the problem. If he had offered to sell the original film, which he owns, before the p cbdo2007 Aug 2014 #39
That's not the standard for copyright. Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #51
in any event, hornbook contract law hifiguy Aug 2014 #12
The monkey must specifically transfer the copyright, mere payment isn't enough PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #15
First, you must prove the monkey capable of contract. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #36
That monkey - or ape - is smart enough to take hifiguy Aug 2014 #37
You set a low bar, sir. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #38
This is how Planet of the Apes got started. Yavin4 Aug 2014 #13
This ruling just feels wrong to me. procon Aug 2014 #16
You can submit an opinion/comment on the matter to the copyright office... PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #19
Why should ownership of the camera have anything to do with it? Orrex Aug 2014 #24
Because the PHOTOGRAPHER CREATED THE SITUATION. KittyWampus Aug 2014 #29
The photographer is also simply an act of nature Orrex Aug 2014 #31
I know, I gotta agree with you here. nt cwydro Aug 2014 #46
Painting is a different medium than photography procon Aug 2014 #32
Neither of those is relevant here Orrex Aug 2014 #34
Not to get too far removed from the ruling procon Aug 2014 #42
From Slater's website... PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #45
Jesus Christ! Are these reports written by hand on Post-It Notes? nt ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #18
Here is the mentioned section of the compendium: PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #21
O.F.F.S! denbot Aug 2014 #23
This has GOT to be a hoax lol. cwydro Aug 2014 #40
I don't see how this is different than a motion sensor picture... cbdo2007 Aug 2014 #41
The author's creativity in setting it up is different. Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #49
That guy should have just said he pushed a button. LisaL Aug 2014 #50
It isn't that the monkey was the creative one - Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #52
Heh heh heh. Octafish Aug 2014 #43
who is the monkey? GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #47
How about this cat's selfie, have they ruled on it yet? Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #48
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