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139. I salute those quakers..

Sat Aug 23, 2014, 09:54 AM

Aug 2014

Unfortunately, the poster I addressed doesn't seem to be of their mindset

or possess their willingness to contribute

My issue with him was not so much his pacifism as his lack of

empathy for Jim Foley and other war correspondents and soldiers

who die, in sometimes horrific ways.

That, in fact, was how the exchange between us started.

He actually said that he "didn't care much" about Jim Foley,

the journalist just beheaded by ISIS, because, like other war

correspondents, he chose to "put himself in danger".

When I reminded him that such journalists do us a service,

he didn't mention any of the risky, but valuable non-combatant roles

Quakers could and have played -- He just basically shrugged

his shoulders, dismissing it all on the basis of "different worldviews".

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Do you agree with the Obama administration that ISIS is an "imminent threat"? [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 OP

Probably not; but how could I know? n/t Smarmie Doofus Aug 2014 #1

Good question..I can't believe the 'ho hum" attitude of many here whathehell Aug 2014 #45

But Alex Jones says it was a conspiracy or something FrodosPet Aug 2014 #121

Yeah, whatever.. whathehell Aug 2014 #125

No. And we still won't be invading Iraq again. JoePhilly Aug 2014 #2

No, although the administration might have info they're not sharing Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #3

I have learned that the United States Government is not to be trusted in matters of military force. Maedhros Aug 2014 #55

Yes, the last thing in the world Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #4

No reply, I don't have the data set he and his team has. nt NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #5

I agree, which is why I voted "pass." Adsos Letter Aug 2014 #153

They're already recruiting citizens from many other countries lunatica Aug 2014 #6

I know, and the prospect scares me greatly, especially whathehell Aug 2014 #30

The authorities have caught quite a few who were on their way there, but lunatica Aug 2014 #46

That's good to hear.. whathehell Aug 2014 #48

Me too. Agschmid Aug 2014 #111

Glad to see that I'm not the only one, at least.. whathehell Aug 2014 #114

UK. Agschmid Aug 2014 #123

For some reason, whathehell Aug 2014 #126

Imminent threat to...? Iggo Aug 2014 #7

To Iraq's current government, certainly. Orsino Aug 2014 #10

Oil profits. TBF Aug 2014 #147

In the same way there would have been a mushroom cloud over NYC had we not invaded Iraq. chrisa Aug 2014 #8

I think not, since, apart from murdering other muslims, men, women & children whathehell Aug 2014 #32

All of this was done in Iraq. It's not hard to just kidnap a journalist. chrisa Aug 2014 #53

Yes, but if you haven't heard, lots of them are coming back to Europe whathehell Aug 2014 #56

The same can be said about Al Qaeda, though. chrisa Aug 2014 #61

True, but whathehell Aug 2014 #63

True. 9/11 wasn't the first attack, though. The US has been dealing with terrorism for a while. chrisa Aug 2014 #72

It was the first major attack. whathehell Aug 2014 #99

The 1993 WTC attack actually had the same intent as the 2001 one. It's only that the 2001 one worked chrisa Aug 2014 #135

"worked" is the operative word there. whathehell Aug 2014 #136

Dubious at best, don't see how. TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #9

Yes, because, ooga booga, another 10000 member gang has the US looking foolish. GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #11

Where have YOU been?..They just beheaded an American Journalist whathehell Aug 2014 #34

How is that an imminent threat to the U.S.? former9thward Aug 2014 #64

Well, for one thing, whathehell Aug 2014 #68

The 9/11 crew were Saudis and operated out of Germany. former9thward Aug 2014 #71

No shit, sherlock...I guess you think bin Laden was an innocent bystander, too. whathehell Aug 2014 #118

Not worth it, man. They just don't get it. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #130

Yes, and these are the same people who, rightfully, blamed Dubya whathehell Aug 2014 #140

Not to US borders. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #12

+1 As usual, to find the threat, just follow the money. nt GliderGuider Aug 2014 #28

The proper question to ask is "to whom?" hifiguy Aug 2014 #13

I don't have enough information to form a judgment. MineralMan Aug 2014 #14

Until I have enough information to say Yes then I must say No. But, your point is well taken. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #16

"Until I have enough information to say Yes then I must say No." Iggo Aug 2014 #18

It's pretty apparent to me that many are threatened MineralMan Aug 2014 #19

all of that, yes. But that is not the question and besides the question is not fully formed. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #20

Given the general wording of the question, I found that I could MineralMan Aug 2014 #22

It is, indeed, a very generalized question and if one thinks: Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #33

My own personal opinion is that the US does not belong MineralMan Aug 2014 #40

IMO, abstain and NO are both correct in this scenario. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #44

+1 VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #26

Unless we think EVERY news story is a wholly made-up crock'o'shiite, MH1 Aug 2014 #146

Same here. Plus I haven't followed the situation closely. ecstatic Aug 2014 #154

Al Qaeda was played out, not scary or believable enough anymore to get us into Syria whatchamacallit Aug 2014 #15

Yes. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #17

+1000. I voted Yes, too. BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #41

Mhm, and I admire the advocates for peace, but they tend to be incapable of nuance. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #91

I'm 100% for peace, too, but I don't take it to the extreme. BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #95

+a bajillion qazplm Aug 2014 #110

They are an imminent threat to the American press who travel to the countries Baitball Blogger Aug 2014 #21

I'm going to go out on a limb here... clarice Aug 2014 #23

Yeah, that is pretty far out on the "excluded middle" limb...[n/t] Maedhros Aug 2014 #57

Please explain. nt clarice Aug 2014 #75

You're either with Obama, or your with the "terrorists." Maedhros Aug 2014 #76

Cool...but I'm curious...what would YOU do if you were Prez? nt clarice Aug 2014 #80

The Prez was cool with Israeli commandoes killing a U.S. citizen aboard the Krav Mara. Maedhros Aug 2014 #87

You know....I've always wondered.... clarice Aug 2014 #89

+1 conservaphobe Aug 2014 #92

Thank you....once again, I'm in the unpopular minority.nt clarice Aug 2014 #96

I generally see ISIS as the equivalent of the Nazi's in 1938. Xithras Aug 2014 #24

Me too..That's exactly the analogy i used last night with someone! whathehell Aug 2014 #103

The Nazis had an air force and a navy. Does ISIS? n/t eridani Aug 2014 #128

The Nazis were actually a military threat in 1938 Hippo_Tron Aug 2014 #141

Maybe not an imminent threat as of today Lurks Often Aug 2014 #25

They are a threat betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #27

To the US? No. To Iraq, Syria and others in the region? Yes. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2014 #29

They are indeed an imminent threat... GliderGuider Aug 2014 #31

Yes, and to certain unlucky journalists from America and Europe. whathehell Aug 2014 #69

This may not go over too well, but... GliderGuider Aug 2014 #85

Is that the way you felt about Daniel Pearl?..Same lack of feeling for our troops? whathehell Aug 2014 #100

Different people see the world in different ways. GliderGuider Aug 2014 #104

Yes, you seem to see it like a cold, selfish libertarian.. whathehell Aug 2014 #116

I come from three generations of Quakers and Unitarians GliderGuider Aug 2014 #119

Yes, and you and the other generations of Quakers got the whathehell Aug 2014 #120

That's totally whack Depaysement Aug 2014 #132

I salute those quakers.. whathehell Aug 2014 #139

Maybe this will clarify my feelings GliderGuider Aug 2014 #143

So your lack of sympathy extends to anyone who "chooses" to put whathehell Aug 2014 #144

What would you like your anger towards me to accomplish? GliderGuider Aug 2014 #145

Lol.. whathehell Aug 2014 #148

Cool! Depaysement Aug 2014 #131

Thanks! I was very fortunate. GliderGuider Aug 2014 #137

Yep, exactly Hippo_Tron Aug 2014 #142

No. Same old bullshit PeteSelman Aug 2014 #35

Yeah sure, whathehell Aug 2014 #39

In what way does that make them an "imminent threat" to us? PeteSelman Aug 2014 #47

Why bother asking questions you only need your own answer for? whathehell Aug 2014 #51

And you marched right behind the Chimp too I suppose. PeteSelman Aug 2014 #86

Excuse me, are you referring to Barack Obama "the chimp"? whathehell Aug 2014 #98

:sigh: No. PeteSelman Aug 2014 #109

Glad to hear it, 'cause that guy's been out of office for awhile whathehell Aug 2014 #115

Nevermind. PeteSelman Aug 2014 #122

I don't. whathehell Aug 2014 #124

So explain why we didn't bomb Pakistan when Daniel Pearl was beheaded n/t eridani Aug 2014 #129

A. I never suggested we bomb anywhere.. whathehell Aug 2014 #134

There is potential. jambo101 Aug 2014 #36

Yes! We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud! Maedhros Aug 2014 #59

No, it is hyperbole. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #37

To the United States? No. Marr Aug 2014 #38

Yes, ISIS is an imminent threat but to whom? Not to the US mainland...nt kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #42

Not to our country, but to the ME...YES absolutely! nt Rex Aug 2014 #43

Not to our country Marrah_G Aug 2014 #49

To the territory of the US? Hell no. hifiguy Aug 2014 #50

conditional agreement -- they are clearly an imminent threat to Americans abroad 0rganism Aug 2014 #52

They are an imminent threat to the Iraqis and Syrians brentspeak Aug 2014 #54

The the countries in danger will be taking the lead? TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #117

Nope Sparhawk60 Aug 2014 #58

No threat at all. Hugabear Aug 2014 #60

As many pointed out before the 2003 invasion of Iraq, what's now playing out with ISIL Maedhros Aug 2014 #62

Neocon Redux. I've seen this movie before. CJCRANE Aug 2014 #65

They are an imminent threat ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #66

How could I know? The MSM is owned by the 1%, and tells me whatever the 1% tells them to. Zorra Aug 2014 #67

Due to going offline and chucking out the TV, I've been out of the news loop for quite a while... Turborama Aug 2014 #70

I didn't buy this song and. dance when the neocons pushed it... 99Forever Aug 2014 #73

Any opinion I might have would be clouded... kentuck Aug 2014 #74

OK, but I don't think Obama is dumb, naive or deluded enough Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #78

I have my doubts that any President... kentuck Aug 2014 #90

I actually think that Obama is smart, deliberate, Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #77

I don't think I'm in a position to have a reasonable opinion. Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #79

This is a topic where the government has zero credibility. arcane1 Aug 2014 #81

No one has given me reason to believe so. nt. NCTraveler Aug 2014 #82

Unmitigated bullshit. And part of a pattern. woo me with science Aug 2014 #83

Erect Bogeyman, wave flag, declare we need protection, give more money to the MIC. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #84

Till they build a Navy I am sure we are fine. n/t dilby Aug 2014 #88

Without defining "imminent threat" it's impossible to answer flamingdem Aug 2014 #93

Voted Yes, But(!) ProfessorGAC Aug 2014 #94

Yes Harmony Blue Aug 2014 #97

I still can't find where they said "imminent threat" KamaAina Aug 2014 #101

I don't believe he is lying about this. egduj Aug 2014 #102

They've cried "wolf" too often Lydia Leftcoast Aug 2014 #105

A really vague question. JEB Aug 2014 #106

If they are such a threat, JEB Aug 2014 #107

Imminent threat to US interests in Iraq abelenkpe Aug 2014 #108

+1000000 J_J_ Aug 2014 #112

Unfortunately, yes. NaturalHigh Aug 2014 #113

Threat? Yes. Imminent? No. eridani Aug 2014 #127

Going to vote no. Jappleseed Aug 2014 #133

To the US, I don't know. To people in the Middle East, yes, obviously. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2014 #138

Yes, I do. Does anyone think they are not in it for the long-haul? That they WON'T behead the other WinkyDink Aug 2014 #149

I think ISIS bears watching. HereSince1628 Aug 2014 #150

Yes,, as is any roving gang be backed by who knows who . orpupilofnature57 Aug 2014 #151

neither DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #152

Not to the US mainland Kalidurga Aug 2014 #155