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Dragonfli

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170. If I were cynical, I would say they are exactly the same, but

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 05:24 PM

Apr 2012

they are slightly different on wedge issues, the only issues left we are allowed to vote for in most cases.

New Democrats agree with every single recommendation the US Chamber of Commerce has made regarding "Job Creation"
http://www.friendsoftheuschamber.com/images/110905_jobs_letter.pdf

They also agree with them on deregulation and lowering corporate tax rates.
They have adopted the Heritage Foundation approach to Insurance Reform via an individual mandate to enrich the vultures of the health care system rather than address access directly.

There are other commonalities between new Democrats and old Republicans of course, but I am sure you are already aware.

They are slightly more pro-woman and pro-reproductive rights than their old Republican counterparts were, so there is that I guess....

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Rolling Stone Magazine Article: Why Obama's JOBS Act Couldn't Suck Worse [View all] Better Believe It Apr 2012 OP

K&R. nt OnyxCollie Apr 2012 #1

If it's criticizing the President, it will be called a "widget" no matter WHAT it says. nt Bonobo Apr 2012 #2

and it will 'hit the shop room floor with a thud'... girl gone mad Apr 2012 #167

Bullshit. MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #3

Thank you for correcting the record. The internet is just out of control these days. Karmadillo Apr 2012 #7

Can you believe some people refer to "Obama's free trade agreements"? MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #9

Obama is ProSense Apr 2012 #12

No, he's trying to help himself and the 1% MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #19

Yup, ProSense Apr 2012 #21

How many seniors will lose health care MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #24

Someone ProSense Apr 2012 #27

Obama: "I'll only wound Medicare, vote for me" MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #29

Romney ProSense Apr 2012 #37

I'll vote for the person who MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #39

We know what Republicans will do. What does that have to do what sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #205

Confusing his political "offers" with reality cliffordu Apr 2012 #50

Boy was Obama shocked MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #89

When challenged, change the subject!!! cliffordu Apr 2012 #120

That's his job - if they aren't real, shut the fuck up about them. saras Apr 2012 #200

Another word for 'politics' is 'bluff' cliffordu Apr 2012 #202

Evil? Go Vols Apr 2012 #57

Thanks for pointing out that Medicaid thing. progressoid Apr 2012 #63

Always enjoy reading your posts... WiffenPoof Apr 2012 #41

look for the words HYPERBOLE and OUTRAGE to be thrown your way!!! Skittles Apr 2012 #74

. ProSense Apr 2012 #128

Okay...I was actually being serious... WiffenPoof Apr 2012 #155

Your questions were very reasonable MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #209

. ProSense Apr 2012 #212

You can make a similar choice, you know. MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #213

. ProSense Apr 2012 #214

Prosense was stitched together... ellisonz Apr 2012 #233

. ProSense Apr 2012 #234

You're welcome. ellisonz Apr 2012 #236

hey Manny Skittles Apr 2012 #15

Good question. MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #31

I'll think about it Skittles Apr 2012 #32

Pimping. bahrbearian Apr 2012 #222

... woo me with science Apr 2012 #81

See? Obama has tried to teach us the ways of bipartisanship, but we still try to steal credit from Karmadillo Apr 2012 #255

LOL !!! WillyT Apr 2012 #10

Joining in the laughter. bvar22 Apr 2012 #127

Man, we're ProSense Apr 2012 #129

It is about The POLICY, bvar22 Apr 2012 #144

They just can't separate the really fucked up policies from a Autumn Apr 2012 #162

Yes, it is about the policies. We are supposed to discard all principles sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #175

You're right. President Obama hardly had anything to do with the "Jobs Act" at all! Better Believe It Apr 2012 #25

You should have posted the wide-angle shot MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #28

Oh, no. He signed it with the left (sinister) hand! Maybe that was disappearing ink, too. freshwest Apr 2012 #58

This one? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #103

Yes, the smiles are nicer on that one too nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #113

Any time Cantor is smiling, I'm scared. n/t A Simple Game Apr 2012 #208

well now let's look closely Skittles Apr 2012 #34

That can happen! woo me with science Apr 2012 #80

STOP IT WOO ME Skittles Apr 2012 #192

This message was self-deleted by its author aspieextrodinare Apr 2012 #60

This author was self-deleted by its message Zorra Apr 2012 #197

Taibbi. sadbear Apr 2012 #4

no, NOT enough said Skittles Apr 2012 #18

So because someone COULD abuse the system its bad? Charities are embezzled! banned from Kos Apr 2012 #96

Um, not just no, but HELL no... truebrit71 Apr 2012 #147

Charities are regulated. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #169

Lol. He was only among the most popular sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #131

Exactly! One of the 99 Apr 2012 #201

That's exactly the same thing Bushbots used to do. Marr Apr 2012 #227

+1 Daniel537 Apr 2012 #250

Merkley: Crowdfunding Exciting New Opportunity for Small Businesses and Startups ProSense Apr 2012 #5

But Merkley voted against Cantor's act MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #13

His Boss Tweed reference...damn. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #6

Major Bank CEO Slams Wall Street For Paying Big Bonuses And Fighting New Regulations ProSense Apr 2012 #8

Good thing Obama further deregulated Wall Street last week. MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #11

I heard ProSense Apr 2012 #14

Don't be bringing reality into the conversation here, cliffordu Apr 2012 #52

the "reality" is that the so called "JOBS" bill is a piece of shit paulk Apr 2012 #106

Why, bless your heart. cliffordu Apr 2012 #121

lame paulk Apr 2012 #124

Maybe you guys should wait for your talking points to arrive Marr Apr 2012 #228

You guys? Really? cliffordu Apr 2012 #238

Yeah, they launched a new DU sometime back. Marr Apr 2012 #243

They've legalized "pump and dump" pscot Apr 2012 #16

Old folks will get scammed out of their life savings, just MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #20

Actually, ProSense Apr 2012 #35

How on Earth will that 5% be enforced? MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #36

The SEC will be right on top of that. Sure. nt Mojorabbit Apr 2012 #59

Yeah, ProSense Apr 2012 #62

Those progressoid Apr 2012 #64

Then the ProSense Apr 2012 #65

Well, progressoid Apr 2012 #68

The SEC are the geniuses that couldn't figure out what Bernie Madoff was doing... truebrit71 Apr 2012 #146

The 5% cap is per annum.. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #171

The SEC? You can't be serious... TiberiusB Apr 2012 #141

Bullshit. Old folks won't touch internet crowdfunding. banned from Kos Apr 2012 #111

Let's legalize personal nuclear weapons MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #115

E-mail is regulated. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #172

It must take up a lot of time zappaman Apr 2012 #17

Not Really... Go To Any Decent Liberal Website And You'll See Plenty... WillyT Apr 2012 #22

Tell me about it! I mean, what IS this "Rolling Stone" magazine? Sounds like a made up name. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #23

heheheh SammyWinstonJack Apr 2012 #99

Not difficult if you're a Liberal Democrat? sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #184

I think "Rolling Stone" is just a rag likely printed up in Carl Rove's basement Dragonfli Apr 2012 #138

Yeah, we all know whitehouse.gov is the ONLY reliable source Autumn Apr 2012 #161

Bullshit. MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #210

Interesting ProSense Apr 2012 #217

I guess if you can't attack the message... MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #218

Kewl! ProSense Apr 2012 #219

ProSense, I think you should call it a night and get some rest MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #221

Forever ProSense Apr 2012 #226

See? You're tired. MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #229

You ProSense Apr 2012 #230

Yeah but Manny it was just Autumn Apr 2012 #225

actually it is not hard at all Skittles Apr 2012 #75

why don't you scour the internetz paulk Apr 2012 #108

did it take up a lot of time to formulate this lame-ass reply? frylock Apr 2012 #151

... SidDithers Apr 2012 #26

It applies to small businesses, not just big startups, so it's good in that sense. Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #30

Businesses with annual revenues less than $1 billion MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #33

Wrong. ProSense Apr 2012 #40

Only $1 billion over three years MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #43

Manny you are cracking me up Skittles Apr 2012 #73

How did you change your user name so recently after so many posts? nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #215

I am and have always been SKITTLES Skittles Apr 2012 #220

That is unbelievable! (meaning I believe it). How 'bout that! You had a premonition. Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #252

Skittles was my cat Skittles Apr 2012 #254

Awwww. Sorry about Skittles. But a fine tribute in your user name. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #256

Oh, yeah-- that changes everything! Marr Apr 2012 #239

Do you thrive on negative Obama stories? Pisces Apr 2012 #38

It's all he's got. Summer Hathaway Apr 2012 #42

Can you stick to content MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #45

Pointing out the obvious Summer Hathaway Apr 2012 #47

Just like this article. nt woo me with science Apr 2012 #83

Even if the poster is Satan, stating that fact doesn't refute the content of the post. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #149

You're a relative short termer so you may not know.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #54

Any links to those great many articles? n/t Summer Hathaway Apr 2012 #55

BBI had only been a DUer for about 8 months prior to election 2008... SidDithers Apr 2012 #61

How's overturning single payer in Canada in favor of a private mandate coming, Sid? Fumesucker Apr 2012 #66

How's those links to Summer Hathaway Apr 2012 #67

I love it when Canadians tell U.S. we should be happy with ACA 2010 Mimosa Apr 2012 #76

... SidDithers Apr 2012 #90

.... Dragonfli Apr 2012 #136

+1 nashville_brook Apr 2012 #134

He just laughs at our health care misfortunes, and refuses to answer how his campaign is going Dragonfli Apr 2012 #135

If you don't mind, please Bobbie Jo Apr 2012 #104

Don't hold your breath...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #119

perhaps you'd be more comfortable looking at happy pictures? frylock Apr 2012 #152

Well, there's the kind of response Summer Hathaway Apr 2012 #180

What was your disagreement with the article? girl gone mad Apr 2012 #183

That's all you're going to see. Marr Apr 2012 #240

yeh, you got this place nailed down in the whole 4 months you've been here frylock Apr 2012 #187

Ahem ... Summer Hathaway Apr 2012 #198

you either support shit policy or you don't support shit policy.. frylock Apr 2012 #199

Go back and read our exchange Summer Hathaway Apr 2012 #203

I think that's a valid question. nt MADem Apr 2012 #44

"Thrive" being the operative word. blue neen Apr 2012 #46

Attacking the messenger MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #48

Poor old messenger. n/t Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #78

It's very RUDE to post what Obama is actually doing! nt woo me with science Apr 2012 #82

Nailed. It. cliffordu Apr 2012 #49

Negative Obama stories? I hadn't noticed... SidDithers Apr 2012 #53

Thanks for kicking BBI's threads. I would miss a lot of them if it weren't for you sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #70

All you have to do is click "sort by replies" in GD... joshcryer Apr 2012 #72

or... one could find BBI's threads by the # of recs, at least in theory inna Apr 2012 #145

You can't sort by recs. joshcryer Apr 2012 #247

I think it's important that their threads get as much exposure as possible...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #91

I agree Sid. That's why I always rec these threads. Autumn Apr 2012 #107

Absolutely. Sunlight is the best disinfectant...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #110

So do a majority of DUers. sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #123

Yes. It's his life blood. treestar Apr 2012 #94

. Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #51

. ProSense Apr 2012 #56

Hey OP, do you consider crowd funding a liberal or conservative thing? joshcryer Apr 2012 #69

since no one else will answer - its very LIBERAL and egalitarian banned from Kos Apr 2012 #100

Taibbi is one of the best writers around when it comes to this kind of reporting sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #137

"Its like buying a lotto ticket" girl gone mad Apr 2012 #182

Look at the micro-loan market as a good microcosm for what's about to happen. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #177

That's a simplification of a highly complex situation. joshcryer Apr 2012 #248

Here's how it could be worse, they could have called it; Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #71

Bwah! woo me with science Apr 2012 #85

Oh my, there it is! (I'd make it Everything, but...) Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #88

Excellent! Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #173

Another Obama-dissing article from Better Believe It. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #77

Actaully it's from Matt Taibbi trumad Apr 2012 #79

Matt Taibbi posted it here? n/t Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #86

No--- but if I read it ---I certainly would have posted it here... trumad Apr 2012 #92

Do you post almost nothing but articles "critical" of Obama and Democrats... SidDithers Apr 2012 #97

So would most of us. Taibbi is always worth reading, or at least he used to be sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #132

The Jobs bill is really not a good bill. trumad Apr 2012 #133

But the "Jobs Act" will create jobs for "con-men, fraudsters, boiler room operators, banksters ...." Better Believe It Apr 2012 #140

I know. What I don't know is why sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #186

Not all Democrats on this board are to the left of center. A Simple Game Apr 2012 #216

Then you would have posted a dupe thread... Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #159

Well if I posted it would it have been better? trumad Apr 2012 #163

Exactly. n/t Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #165

booyah! frylock Apr 2012 #153

I get junior high comments, I give them right back. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #158

Who could have seen that coming? FSogol Apr 2012 #84

Yeah, I know. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #87

Did you guys even read the Taibbi piece? trumad Apr 2012 #93

... SammyWinstonJack Apr 2012 #102

5 years... trumad Apr 2012 #105

There is money that must be raised from wall streaters and bankers, it is for the greater good. Dragonfli Apr 2012 #143

New democrats, old fucking republicans Autumn Apr 2012 #166

If I were cynical, I would say they are exactly the same, but Dragonfli Apr 2012 #170

True. The more pro-woman and pro-reproductive rights are Autumn Apr 2012 #174

Unfortunately, I see they have adopted the same views re human and constitutional rights Dragonfli Apr 2012 #176

Very troubling isn't it? Autumn Apr 2012 #178

Very troubling, and the state has likely grown strong enough to crush dissent Dragonfli Apr 2012 #179

Who would invest in a company that didn't have to bother with an accountant for 5 years? truebrit71 Apr 2012 #148

as Taibbi said the problem is that the honest dana_b Apr 2012 #156

Have you read the entire act? Including the CROWDFUND Act? joshcryer Apr 2012 #251

If you can't counter the article's subject matter, then Marr Apr 2012 #241

Did I say these are facts that should be ignored? Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #244

I'm familiar with the rules. I believe they say something Marr Apr 2012 #245

They also say something about supporting Democratic candidates in the general election. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #246

Who'd a thunk it? treestar Apr 2012 #95

the day you find an article favorable to Obama I will believe that pigs can fly. WI_DEM Apr 2012 #98

So this morning you learned that pigs can fly! Maybe you can catch a ride on one! Better Believe It Apr 2012 #101

Congratulations, BBI, on the apology you're about to receive! MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #112

Vote ProSense Apr 2012 #114

LOL Bobbie Jo Apr 2012 #116

"token post"... SidDithers Apr 2012 #117

I can give him more examples if he wants. But, I won't hold my breath waiting for an apology. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #126

Oh ProSense Apr 2012 #130

Pigs flew! On January 20, 2012... Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #160

Very good article thank you for posting... one_voice Apr 2012 #164

Obama is supposed to be a Democrat. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #211

This message was self-deleted by its author one_voice Apr 2012 #232

That was just part of your insidious plot to pass as a Democrat!!! Marr Apr 2012 #242

is there a quota of positive obama articles that need to be posted.. frylock Apr 2012 #154

tut-tut Matt. KG Apr 2012 #109

lots of attacking the messenger on this thread xiamiam Apr 2012 #118

Cause we all know how well -- Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2012 #122

DURec. bvar22 Apr 2012 #125

ditto inna Apr 2012 #139

K & R n/t ihavenobias Apr 2012 #189

damn near forgot to rec. KG Apr 2012 #142

In praise of crowdfunding ProSense Apr 2012 #150

Thanks BBI. rudycantfail Apr 2012 #157

It could suck worse. It could be a republican bill Autumn Apr 2012 #168

This law will do NOTHING to increase US jobs. The money will be invested in China. AdHocSolver Apr 2012 #181

Love your posts! RiffRandell Apr 2012 #185

Why so much denial around here? MrSlayer Apr 2012 #188

That's ProSense Apr 2012 #190

Quit Trying To Cheer Me Up, Will Ya !!! WillyT Apr 2012 #191

What is really annoying is when a thread is taken over by the "pro" versus "anti" Obama crowd. AdHocSolver Apr 2012 #193

There really isn't an "anti-Obama" crowd on DU. You have progressives who oppose certain policies. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #194

. ProSense Apr 2012 #196

You're right, there is no Anti-Obama crowd here. There is an anti-bad-policies sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #231

The only ProSense Apr 2012 #195

Clue Bobbie Jo Apr 2012 #224

Yes, no one is cactually discussing the law, they're just saying Tabbi is wrong or right... joshcryer Apr 2012 #249

K&R cyglet Apr 2012 #204

The strategy COULD be to improve upon this Taverner Apr 2012 #206

The old "We'll Fix It Later!" bvar22 Apr 2012 #207

Medicare. Social Security. Taverner Apr 2012 #223

Good. Puff pieces are boring. Zax2me Apr 2012 #235

rofl smileys are on the rise rudycantfail Apr 2012 #237

88 recs! Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #253