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74. Sid, are you going to vote for Hillary if she gets the nomination? n/t

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Left concern about HRC is NOT "hatred"...it's about what we stand for as a party and a country [View all] Ken Burch Aug 2014 OP

OH "concern" is that what the kids are calling it today? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #1

concern backwoodsbob Aug 2014 #5

well she does have 2 million facebook supporters...there is that... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #49

A meaningless statement. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #58

did I or did I not say "just for starters" VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #60

I think it's not a question of whether she could win, or how many people love her. Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #179

Legitimate concerns to be sure; in response, all you hear are crickets. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2014 #277

So its not a question about the fact that she can beat every known Republican potential... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #284

A Republican in disguise can beat a genuine Republican. Fuddnik Aug 2014 #321

I have never done that, voted for a candidate I did not trust. Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #328

I have. Because I understand that the world doesn't revolve around me. BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #379

Thanks, I appreciate your point of view. Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #388

By itself, beating the Republicans isn't anything. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #338

I deeply dislike and distrust HRC's hawkish stance on foreign policy. I really, really do. BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #381

I will, too. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #389

John Cena - the wrestler - has nearly 19 million hifiguy Aug 2014 #62

Is John Cena running for President? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #66

Facebook is meaningless hifiguy Aug 2014 #72

I KNOOOOOW that is why I said..."just for starters" VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #73

OK lets get past starters. What else you got? Vincardog Aug 2014 #99

And the answer is... Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2014 #102

^^^^^^^^^ That summed it up nicely! n/t truedelphi Aug 2014 #173

that was just the jumping off point.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #109

You keep harping on "just for starters" what else you got to support HRC? Vincardog Aug 2014 #111

Who do YOU have first? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #114

I stand with the well written OP. You oppose it. Answer WHY of get Vincardog Aug 2014 #122

because you didn't answer my return lobby VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #151

You are a waste of time /ignore Vincardog Aug 2014 #158

Just like Hillary, no substance, all fluff. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2014 #279

That isn't the point at this stage. n/t. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #128

If Sarah decides to run, by that measure, Hillary doesn't stand a chance. Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #213

Wait.... umm, huh? Veilex Aug 2014 #331

She's got nothing but harassment for those of us that won't side with Goldman-Sachs and the rhett o rick Aug 2014 #234

NO see that is not how it works....as I stated before....unless YOU have something that beats that VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #289

No...thats not how this works... Veilex Aug 2014 #332

Can't you just allow the idea that many people support pangaia Aug 2014 #141

I can't push back when they trash her so vilely? With such disgust and disdain? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #291

So the candidates' policies and positions do not matter to you? LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #366

Well - if in essence the "just for starters" meant nothing Plucketeer Aug 2014 #287

Maybe next time don't lead with facebook! LOL, Nt Logical Aug 2014 #327

giiven tptb have crowned her has she said anything roguevalley Aug 2014 #129

Could you provide a link to her page? Because I can't find the one with 2 million fans. Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #210

More to the point... Veilex Aug 2014 #335

So, she lied? Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #336

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Aug 2014 #339

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Aug 2014 #340

Looks like I spoke a little too soon... Veilex Aug 2014 #343

Mitt Romney has over 11 million. Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #211

And Paul Ryan has 5+ million supporters... japple Aug 2014 #282

I am starting to think YOU are Hillary! lol! nt Logical Aug 2014 #326

Well, that didn't take long nxylas Aug 2014 #6

"the kids"? Ken Burch Aug 2014 #7

It's one of the favorite ad hom attacks of the centrist crowd. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #39

calling other Democrats "Centrists" seems to be the favorite of ad hom of the VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #50

it IS "centrist" to say the least, to argue that we have no choice Ken Burch Aug 2014 #55

OHHH so now YOU are the arbiteur of what is or isn't Progressive too.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #57

Not me by myself. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #61

Meaningless statement....Alot does not necessarily mean "most" does it? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #63

It doesn't have to be "most". It's enough that the number is growing. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #68

NO I would say YOU are the one being presumptious in thinking that YOU might VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #70

We do know one thing, if you supported Hillary in '08 you were in the minority. A Simple Game Aug 2014 #93

I voted for the winner of the Democratic Primary....yes before that I supported Hillary Clinton VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #108

You can really say that Hillary is to the left of President Obama? I notice you can't A Simple Game Aug 2014 #127

Yes I can....and I can prove it! VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #183

Oh dear, that is precious JaydenD Aug 2014 #270

No YOU don't give a poop....that is painfully obvious.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #271

I'm sorry but believing that Hillary is to the Left of the President JaydenD Aug 2014 #276

She forfeited any right to ever claim to be to the left of Obama Ken Burch Aug 2014 #134

one hit wonder are ya.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #184

That wrong headed decison got a lot of people killed. JaydenD Aug 2014 #196

and didn't she say so? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #236

Not really. And her support for MORE futile militarism in the Middle East Ken Burch Aug 2014 #334

can you please address specifically the other points of the OP? Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #214

Hillary supports trade agreements that only benefit Wall Street. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #218

In the last ten years, NOTHING mattered more than the Iraq War. Nothing. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #233

I believe you would earnestly like to influence those of us who have concerns. Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #182

as I have said...on DU...its much more than "concern" VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #185

I would welcome a thoughtful, substantive response to my post Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #197

Did I stutter? Am I known for pulling my punches? no..... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #207

I don't know you or your views, or what you're known for. Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #212

You avoid the point and simply go straight to disrespect and abuse. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #344

None of it is hatred and none of it is sexism. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #342

I don't feel like a big fish in a small pond. I try to avoid feeling like a fish, if possible. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #100

but at DU...that is all you are... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #112

I don't think of myself as ANYTHING special at DU. Just another poster. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #121

there are idealists....you are one...and there are those that know the true makeup of the Democratic VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #186

The true makeup of the party is NOT sharply to my right. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #230

I am concerned that you have created a fantasy world, in which few progressives have Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #194

You are wasting your time with VR. pangaia Aug 2014 #148

awwww..... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #168

If it wasn't for idealists, no progress would ever be made dflprincess Aug 2014 #283

May I suggest some debate tutoring? JaydenD Aug 2014 #192

that's their role on DU's cheerleader squad U4ikLefty Aug 2014 #224

Oh I am suppose to hold your hand while I vigorously disagree with you? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #258

NO...but you are supposed to treat everyone here with respect. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #375

Oddly, the self-proclaimed "adults" around here are also the Marr Aug 2014 #296

The fact that so many people do not want Hillary Clinton to run JDPriestly Aug 2014 #208

very good post, thank you. Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #216

Didn't know it was an ad hom. What word do you use to describe Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #77

Yeah but see....you decide WHERE the line is on "Centrists" VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #83

Well, personally, I consider them DINOs, but that's an ad hom, so I didn't use it. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #86

I note that HRC is a "centrist" when it's convenient for her supporters here friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #95

huh? what does that even mean? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #187

so anyone not as Left as you are is a Dino? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #118

No, you didn't read what I said as I meant it. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #145

I find some on the very far left are also DINO.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #147

I dunno, give me some examples? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #150

Well it seems even Ronald Reagan would be called one by the current Teabaggers.....get it? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #152

Wouldn't Reagan be a RINO, not a DINO? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #161

here's one right off the top of my head wyldwolf Aug 2014 #167

see my comment below about 'liberal objectives'. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #171

anyone who claims someone isn't a 'real Democrat' is very likely a DINO wyldwolf Aug 2014 #156

EXACTLY! VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #157

That is a convenient definition. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #163

What, exactly, does "actually DINOs" mean. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #164

'in order to pursue liberal objectives'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #170

You want to debate the policy. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #177

If free trade is solid Dem policy, then Dems are solidly wrong on that one. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #189

Maybe so, but again, you want to debate the policy wyldwolf Aug 2014 #193

I'm not sure why you think policy doesn't matter. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #198

Beautiful post. woo me with science Aug 2014 #200

Who decides which policies matter? wyldwolf Aug 2014 #203

You, me, and everyone else. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #205

As a man who has worked my whole life nilesobek Aug 2014 #292

who gets to decide WHAT is the Liberal objective? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #188

Let's hash it out. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #195

who's booting who here? Who is doing the purging here VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #190

I fear you are cementing my distaste for Ms. Clinton. Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #220

I'm no Clinton booster, but remember that the supporters are not the person. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #356

Thanks for the reminder. Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #365

Nobody is demanding absolute uniformity. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #116

Oh no? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #155

No irony at all. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #377

LOL. Sure, Ken. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #165

Yet on election day your "superior ethical standards and moral convictions" go out the door.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #191

sad to report there are a lot of people who will never vote for Hillary. Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #219

and then....they are no longer Democrats are they? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #227

Let's call them the voiceless ones. Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #240

hahahahaha right.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #243

Democrats are people that uphold Democratic Principles. H. Clinton is a Democrat only in name. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #241

Actually no....Democrats hold Primaries and they decide amongst themselves VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #256

Keep up the rationalizations, it must make you feel better about supporting rhett o rick Aug 2014 #261

Yes....its the rational position.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #262

I am a registered DEmocrat and will once again be on the phones GOTV as rhett o rick Aug 2014 #247

Are you going to work the phones for Hillary Clinton? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #263

H. Clinton stabbed me in the back. She let those of us that were against rhett o rick Aug 2014 #266

thaaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttsssssss what I thought.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #269

I will support Democrats, not all Democrats like some corporate sell-outs, but I will always support rhett o rick Aug 2014 #272

doesn't work like that....its called Democracy.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #274

H. Clinton was not respectful of the Democratic Party when she gave her rhett o rick Aug 2014 #280

OK, I have voted "lesser evil" and will do so again. So what? Ken Burch Aug 2014 #226

so you are not really a Democrat...you are an Independent who happens to vote Democrat.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #229

I am a registered Democrat. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #231

that doesn't matter...IF you are not committed to supporting the nominee the other Democrats VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #259

I wasn't even discussing supporting the nominee here. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #330

So... Is it any coincidence that the KOCH BROTHERS supported the DLC? cascadiance Aug 2014 #255

... and the DBC and damn near every Democrat since 2001 who accepted DNC funds? wyldwolf Aug 2014 #297

Exactly....these Far Lefties want to hold to their high and mighty ethics.....over the Democratic VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #361

I am willing to vote lesser-evil in the fall. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #345

This should make it easy for you: Marr Aug 2014 #299

When was the last time ... NanceGreggs Aug 2014 #347

"they're..." REPUBLICANS!!! NorthCarolina Aug 2014 #175

Correct! They should really be referred to as displaced Republicans, NorthCarolina Aug 2014 #166

Strange you'd take offence at that rather than "sucking up to the banks" Pholus Aug 2014 #172

Now you can't even be called a CENTRIST without whining? Marr Aug 2014 #221

Thank you. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #206

^^^Excellent analysis. nilesobek Aug 2014 #275

I'm "concerned" alright. Concerned about the fact that she still thinks it's a good idea to campaign Chakab Aug 2014 #11

Bu t it is a proven fact that whoever the Powers that Be want to win the election truedelphi Aug 2014 #176

I have concerns about the candidacy of HRC. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #14

Wait, what the heck was that all about? JaydenD Aug 2014 #22

Is that for real!? Stellar Aug 2014 #32

It is for real. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #37

Agreed! Stellar Aug 2014 #43

Not surprising, the Clintons have more in common with Ryan than they do with A Simple Game Aug 2014 #97

+1000000 woo me with science Aug 2014 #202

Again, you're hilarious ... Scuba Aug 2014 #47

Wow you got in as response number one. Best spot for a thread hijack. If you wish to convince rhett o rick Aug 2014 #232

K&R. Off to the Greatest Page with ya! nt ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #2

War and Wall Street 2016 MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #3

Good for TWM. I was waiting for you to show up. Now if only the Stock Market would rhett o rick Aug 2014 #250

You said it much better then I ever could 4now Aug 2014 #4

'and for what... an inadequate black male'... JaydenD Aug 2014 #199

This is very true. I agree wholehearrtedly. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #8

I suspect she knows what is going on out here, she simply does not care. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #15

Ask Hillary what she did for the women and children of Iraq, and Honduras. JaydenD Aug 2014 #20

Timely. nt littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #9

Kicking. Thank you, Ken Burch. nt littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #10

I'm concerned, given the relative ages of the Justices, that choosing an unelectable Trust Buster Aug 2014 #12

Very well said indeed! Duppers Aug 2014 #13

K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #16

Hillary's supporters will continue to try to misrepresent her opposition, because there are valid w4rma Aug 2014 #17

I had to log in just to comment & rec. She would be the second Walmart president. silvershadow Aug 2014 #18

I kept saying that I would love to see her run... daleanime Aug 2014 #30

Well said MissDeeds Aug 2014 #19

K&R ReRe Aug 2014 #21

Under no circumstances will I vote for HRC for ANY elected Office GiveEmEnoughRope Aug 2014 #23

HRC will have the Obama coalition to pick up your slack. The only thing preventing her from..... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #24

Do not leave the party. Stay and fight. It doesn't mean you ever have to rhett o rick Aug 2014 #253

Why would I want to remain a member of an organization that no longer reflects my values? GiveEmEnoughRope Aug 2014 #348

There are still lots of good people in the Democratic Party. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #360

Very well said davidpdx Aug 2014 #25

She's very charming! Her policies, not so much:) grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #26

It's hatred. 6000eliot Aug 2014 #27

No. It's not. It's obnoxious and simple-minded to brush all critical opinion of HRC as such. stillwaiting Aug 2014 #46

No.Not Hatred about her. mylye2222 Aug 2014 #48

A man with the exact same policies would get the exact same response. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #56

Keep telling yourself that. 6000eliot Aug 2014 #137

It is not hatred, nor is it misogyny. Curmudgeoness Aug 2014 #76

It is both. I don't care what your gender is. 6000eliot Aug 2014 #138

Everything that has been said about HRC has also been said about MEN with the same views. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #228

It is neither, no matter what you want to believe. Curmudgeoness Aug 2014 #285

Dr. Keith Ablow couldn't have diagnosed it any better. frylock Aug 2014 #80

Oh please. Maedhros Aug 2014 #81

yes it is. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #88

I am a woman who hopes and prays HRC does not even run for the office. truedelphi Aug 2014 #178

Bullshit Marrah_G Aug 2014 #374

Thank you. Thank you. Thank You. And also..... Smarmie Doofus Aug 2014 #28

Well said! fredamae Aug 2014 #29

I admire and respect Hillary deeply. Correct, it's her stand on the issues that Autumn Aug 2014 #31

Exactly. I am concerned that she is not what everyone thinks she is. We are a party that has a jwirr Aug 2014 #33

I cannot, in good conscience... 99Forever Aug 2014 #34

Some is... SidDithers Aug 2014 #35

I'm sorry Sid, I don't have your accumen when it comes to this stuff hootinholler Aug 2014 #38

You're right. You don't...nt SidDithers Aug 2014 #40

Nobody on the left is opposed to the very idea of a woman as president. You know that. n/t. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #67

Sid, are you going to vote for Hillary if she gets the nomination? n/t QC Aug 2014 #74

So if you were on the left, and informed, would you be concerned about Clinton's positions? A Simple Game Aug 2014 #113

I think there are many people like me, people can remember endorsing HereSince1628 Aug 2014 #252

Yes concern. bur not only. mylye2222 Aug 2014 #36

Entitlement. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #41

Accusations of hate and misogyny are what folks are stuck with because other than lame warmed up TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #42

"And no I don't trust her to appoint judges or anything else." woo me with science Aug 2014 #204

She's socially liberal, so she'd be better than a republican. Zorra Aug 2014 #44

Yes. I don't think they've made a Democrat so corrupt... Orsino Aug 2014 #64

That's been pretty much the mantra of the Dem party for the last 20-30 years. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #78

How can anyone "socially liberal" Maedhros Aug 2014 #82

Go look and see what she did as the first female on that board, why don't you? MADem Aug 2014 #115

Yes, that's supposed to be "ENOUGH" for you.... NorthCarolina Aug 2014 #180

When Hillary Clinton announces her candidacy, sometime after the MineralMan Aug 2014 #45

Nobody is saying that 2014 doesn't matter. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #53

Hear, hear! k&r n/t Laelth Aug 2014 #51

HRC - Too Supportive of Wall Street And The MIC - Too Old School - Not Progressive cantbeserious Aug 2014 #52

+ 1 brazilian. hifiguy Aug 2014 #65

Yes someone explain to someone that supports these positions on H-1B is "Progressive"? cascadiance Aug 2014 #257

Along with the above, I'm not a fan of political dynasties. GoCubsGo Aug 2014 #54

Exactly. This is 100% about policy hifiguy Aug 2014 #59

I agree that there are good reasons kiva Aug 2014 #69

Thanks Mr. Burch saidsimplesimon Aug 2014 #71

There is a group of people who will never be convinced of that... SomethingFishy Aug 2014 #75

Neither is questioning her political acumen loyalsister Aug 2014 #79

Thank you for the op sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #84

K&R. for u mylye2222 Aug 2014 #85

''Those, who have anointed her obviously fear that she might not do so well if confronted JaydenD Aug 2014 #201

But what you are essentially saying is... wyldwolf Aug 2014 #87

+ a brazillion...nt SidDithers Aug 2014 #89

Frankly, I've had it. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #96

This same statistically insignificant, hysterical component of the "left" has done the exact same Number23 Aug 2014 #268

And? IMO she's a hawk who endorses an antiamerican trade policy elehhhhna Aug 2014 #90

you're entitled to your opinion and ONE vote. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #92

Okay, then why do these supporters sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #94

show me examples of that. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #98

Just think of how many times sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #101

that isn't 'resentment' as you claim wyldwolf Aug 2014 #105

No strawman here. sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #119

that isn't for me to decide wyldwolf Aug 2014 #126

"Naturally any new candidate will need national exposure." woo me with science Aug 2014 #264

Sorry, that tired old 'it's just name recognition' canard doesn't fly wyldwolf Aug 2014 #286

No, they don't. Not enough of them yet. woo me with science Aug 2014 #313

Another example of a 'proooogresssiiivvee" who thinks he/she's smarter than the rest of. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #314

LOL. Yes, that's exactly what I was describing. woo me with science Aug 2014 #322

Amazing the number of people anxious to vote for her - despite the dire warning of 'proogressiives" wyldwolf Aug 2014 #354

so you're going to go with the asshole thing, then? Got it. elehhhhna Aug 2014 #104

it seems to be the only language the 'more liberal than thou' progressives understand wyldwolf Aug 2014 #106

No. Progressives understand principle and what it is to fight for it. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #125

but you, alone, don't get to decide if your principles are right the whole party wyldwolf Aug 2014 #133

None of us said we did...but we do have the right to keep fighting for what we stand for. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #239

Your OP contradicts you. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #246

No, I said her policies contradict what progressives and, on some issues, the American majority, Ken Burch Aug 2014 #337

all those words you typed in reply on re-enforce the point - you think 'progressives' along speak... wyldwolf Aug 2014 #351

NO, I don't claim to be smarter...just as smart. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #376

actually you said "it's about what we stand for as **a party*** and a country wyldwolf Aug 2014 #378

self delete wyldwolf Aug 2014 #242

Thank you for your brave struggles against the Left. Union Scribe Aug 2014 #298

you're quite welcome wyldwolf Aug 2014 #300

"mainstream Democrats getting beat up by the left" Union Scribe Aug 2014 #303

"mainstream Democrats getting beat up by the left" wyldwolf Aug 2014 #305

Excellent post!!! NanceGreggs Aug 2014 #209

The itty bitty segment of the Left MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #267

No, the itty bitty segment of the Left with delusions of grandeur. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #301

the Loyalists have never been right in 12 years, neither on what it takes to get into office MisterP Aug 2014 #91

Ok. Cheviteau Aug 2014 #103

he doesn't have a candidate. No one is perfect enough for him. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #107

I'm open to Warren or Bernie...also possibly Feingold(if he were to run)and several others. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #110

'open to' wyldwolf Aug 2014 #117

Not building myself an escape hatch. Just saying there are several candidates I could back. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #124

but why would you back them? wyldwolf Aug 2014 #135

Oh yes. According to Wyldwolf mylye2222 Aug 2014 #132

wtf are you talking about? wyldwolf Aug 2014 #136

Oh. You cdrtainly know what Im talking about. mylye2222 Aug 2014 #142

no, I don't understand your gibberish. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #144

There is not any need of évidence. mylye2222 Aug 2014 #146

spoken like a true fundamentalist. You just have the squishy truthiness feeling inside. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #149

Ah !!! Here comes the usual name-calling. mylye2222 Aug 2014 #154

What name calling? 'Fundamentalist' is a very accurate description of 'progressives' wyldwolf Aug 2014 #160

Well, they certainly can't defend her shitty positions. JoeyT Aug 2014 #120

The country simply can't afford another Republican President -- from either party RufusTFirefly Aug 2014 #123

Well, some people here might hate HRC as a person. But that's really beside the point. Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2014 #130

I think Savannahmann is on the right track re: what running Hillary will accomplish: woo me with science Aug 2014 #131

Rand Paul will never make it out of the Republican primaries. What a joke. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #139

Oh, I disagree. I think that's not at all clear. woo me with science Aug 2014 #159

Let's make a friendly wager - $50 to each other's favorite charity wyldwolf Aug 2014 #162

Well, like many others in this corporate-looted economy, woo me with science Aug 2014 #169

We should start by identifying the most fundamental problem, then look for the right candidate. Maineman Aug 2014 #140

and when you "find" the "right candidate," what then? Beg that person to run? wyldwolf Aug 2014 #143

HRC has a record of issues she has stood up for many years. Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #153

Yup, but the unappealing neoconism is rather more recent. Pholus Aug 2014 #174

Did you read her position on the issues or you going by one interview? Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #181

You go with what major backers make the candidate says now, not the history. Pholus Aug 2014 #310

You are going on one interview, I prefer to take her record, I do not support candidates on a single Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #325

We're only discussing opinions here. Pholus Aug 2014 #349

When I read many post since the interview and excuses those writing the posts is HRC is too hawkish Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #359

Explain to us, please, what 'Neoconism' is. Impress us with your knowledge. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #217

Sorry, can't help you. Pholus Aug 2014 #306

of course you can't since all you could do is parrot what you read on DU. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #308

At least I can fill in the message box below the title with an argument! Pholus Aug 2014 #311

yeah, you do have that skill, lol. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #312

Just realized: if I'm a parrot, you're a pirate! Pholus Aug 2014 #320

Apparently you're confusing nouns and verbs. Perhaps a refresher in English is on your agenda. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #355

Oh the shame! Dissed by the legendary pirate "wyldwolf" Pholus Aug 2014 #357

Yes indeed wyldwolf Aug 2014 #358

Hmmmm, the only thing left to say would seem to be "Arrrr!" Pholus Aug 2014 #367

avoiding it to the end wyldwolf Aug 2014 #368

She has said nothing about Ferguson and she endorsed what Netanyahu did to Gaza Ken Burch Aug 2014 #238

as opposed to Warren who sent one solitary tweet on Fergusan and endorses what Netanyahu did to Gaza wyldwolf Aug 2014 #244

A tweet is at least something. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #341

It's a 'eh, I guess I'll say something.' wyldwolf Aug 2014 #350

The tweet means Warren wasn't silent. It's different from saying nothing at all. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #371

it means she took 3 seconds to tweet it and *poof!* all done and lost in the sea of tweets wyldwolf Aug 2014 #380

Did you read her position on the issues? She voted yes on IRV with Bush using all options Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #249

HRC's votes against Big Oil and for Education are impressive but... sorechasm Aug 2014 #307

Because Rand Paul is to the left of Hillary, Libertarians doesnt believe in doing anything Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #309

EVERYONE who voted for the IRV KNEW they were voting for war. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #333

Well said. I'd love to be in a book club with HRC... polichick Aug 2014 #215

Lots of unnecessary bile here. As long as it remains issue-based, we're all on safe ground DFW Aug 2014 #222

I think some of the anger is KoKo Aug 2014 #369

But Clinton is NOT our only choice DFW Aug 2014 #370

Yes DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #223

if hrc is the best we can do hopemountain Aug 2014 #225

Hillary Clinton's <<POLICIES>> are NOT conducive to a healthy, winning DEM Party. blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #235

except... wyldwolf Aug 2014 #237

Yeah, she has a lot of name recognition, but notice that her support is FALLING over time! cascadiance Aug 2014 #265

Hillary is a known commodity, in the world spotlight for over 20 years. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #288

Is Hillary like a Kardashian now? JaydenD Aug 2014 #318

The only thing many people KNOW is that she's SLIGHTLY better than today's Republicans... cascadiance Aug 2014 #324

a matter of perspective. What isn't a matter of perspective is the numbers anxious to vote for her wyldwolf Aug 2014 #352

K&R hay rick Aug 2014 #245

She Had Her Chance to Win My Vote yellowwoodII Aug 2014 #248

I find it bizarre Evergreen Emerald Aug 2014 #251

Because frankly this country is SICK of how it's been destroyed by Republicans and these Democrats cascadiance Aug 2014 #260

except no one believe that hogwash except the 'more liberal than though' left wyldwolf Aug 2014 #290

The only hogwash we have now is the so-called "liberal" media! cascadiance Aug 2014 #323

blaming the media for the left's total lack of organization skills? LOL. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #353

No blaming those that claim that "money is free speech" which is what CREATES this crap! cascadiance Aug 2014 #364

Hear, hear. woo me with science Aug 2014 #386

When One Defends The "War And Wall Street" Factions Of America - The Criticism Is Deserved cantbeserious Aug 2014 #294

No other candidate has ever said the stupid things she says. Except on the right. JaydenD Aug 2014 #319

It's not bizarre to treat her as every OTHER frontrunner is treated. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #373

Primaries are where you iamthebandfanman Aug 2014 #254

YIKES! 75% of the replies are on my ignore list-- as a DUer since 2002 this says something carolinayellowdog Aug 2014 #273

So, A Relentless Defender Of The Clinton's Is A Centrist Troll - Would You Be On Your Own Ignore List cantbeserious Aug 2014 #293

yeah, that 75% was "contributed" by just two posters. stranger81 Aug 2014 #346

If we stood for anything as a party, we'd be talking only of 2014 treestar Aug 2014 #278

Nobody is saying ignore 2014. But ignoring 2016 is giving up. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #372

this will fall on deaf ears. Those of us who object to Arne Duncan "hate Obama" Doctor_J Aug 2014 #281

+ 1,000 cantbeserious Aug 2014 #295

Why do people keep telling HRC to engage on particular issues? In one post last Welibs Aug 2014 #302

"not very many of us like what we see." wyldwolf Aug 2014 #304

Fuck the war machine, fuck facebook and fuck politics as usual. JEB Aug 2014 #315

Concern trolls 4b5f940728b232b034e4 Aug 2014 #316

Subtle. nt Union Scribe Aug 2014 #317

"Left concern about HRC is NOT "hatred"..." - I must respectfully dissagree... Veilex Aug 2014 #329

Not only would she be yet another moderate conservative in the WH... MellowDem Aug 2014 #362

She will be almost 70 years old by the 2016 elections though cstanleytech Aug 2014 #363

Having read just a handful of posts blasting HRC, I beg to disagree. BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #382

I think after 6 years of President Obama we can safely say there actually was little or no JCMach1 Aug 2014 #384

I agree. I doubt HRC would launch this country into unnecessary wars BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #385

+1000... part of the inevitability is historic I think... JCMach1 Aug 2014 #387

and how has 'not' electing Hillary in '08 worked out on the militarism front? JCMach1 Aug 2014 #383

At least...as of this point...we haven't bombed Iran yet. Or gone all-out in Syria. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #390

Things which Sec. Clinton has not said she would do... JCMach1 Aug 2014 #391

Fine. Concerns duly noted Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2014 #392

Concern noted. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #393