Left concern about HRC is NOT "hatred"...it's about what we stand for as a party and a country

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131. I think Savannahmann is on the right track re: what running Hillary will accomplish:

Savannahmann's post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5432518

You see Rand won't be running on the more war platform. He'll be running on the reduce the militarization of the police platform. He'll be running on the legalize Marijuana Platform. He'll be running on the reduce our military presence overseas platform. Those are the Libertarian Planks that his run will be based upon. So who would vote for him?

Well, Moderates who were shocked by the behavior of the Police at Ferguson. The stats here are interesting.While only 33% of whites think that the cops were not justified in shooting Michael Brown. http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/new-poll-shows-sharp-racial-ideological-divisions-on-michael-brown/article_9334decb-3f97-5564-80b1-0bb11889beca.html It's important to note that at the moment, Rand Paul is on the populist side of the issue as far as Blacks are concerned.

Legalization of Marijuana. Rand is smart enough to make a campaign pledge to work for this goal. The people that are aware of what is going on in Colorado regarding the taxes collected will be on board. The law and order Rethugs won't, but they won't be happy about the previous position either.

He's been opposed to the NSA spying for a long time now. Do you think he will suddenly abandon that position now that the election is going to go national?

So our base will be made of Liberals, Defense Contractors who want the foreign wars to continue, and people who think the cops should have all that military gear. Oh, let's not forget the keep marijuana a crime group. All we need for the full spectrum is for Hillary to insult some minorities and we'll get the Klan vote too.

You guys are assuming that Rand is going to run a traditional Rethug campaign. He's never done that. He won't now. He's going to be the nominee, because with Perry out there isn't anyone left. Paul Ryan is a policy wonk and that won't fly with the Rethugs. Nobody is going to go Bush for the third time. Romney won't do it again. Nobody is left. It's Rand.

He's going to run on what works for him, what he's known for. He's going to run on Libertarian/Conservatism. He's going to blast the Government for bailing out GM, the Banks, and wall street. He's going to tap into the residual anger of many Americans. He's going to go out and talk about Government Health Care. He's a Doctor, so he is going to have a unique point of view.

Whoever decided to indict Perry is an idiot. Because the moron was a good front runner for the nomination now that he has glasses on that make him look smart, which we know from the debates for the 2012 nomination that he can't string a sentence together. The public already think that the prosecution is a political witch hunt. But no worries, because they'll never hear anything else about it, they don't go to LW sites.

Hillary is going to see that the left is well covered by Rand, and she'll do what she does best. She'll run to the right. That will lose the base, and she'll lose. Because she'll be running as a big government conservative Democrat. She'll be in favor of Obamacare, keeping the troops in the fight against ISIS. In favor of the NSA, and the spying they have to do to "keep us safe". Opposed to the legalization of Marijuana.

Now, who do you think will win that election?

My response:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5432640

I think you are right.

I have been fascinated by the ostentatiousness of Hillary's Third Way, neocon campaign, by the trumpeting of her "gaffes" about being poor by the corporate media, and by the level of deliberate obnoxiousness of many of her mouthpieces online. It would hardly be possible to run a campaign better suited to alienating the Democratic base and voters generally.

I thought for a while that the plan was just to infuriate the base as much as possible so that when a fake stealth populist appeared late in the game, Democrats would rally around him or her mindlessly and without demanding any serious vetting.

But in watching the play, I have decided that it's more likely that the corporate PTB have decided that it's time for a Republican.

I agree with you that Rand Paul will run on all those things, appealing to the general mood of the country, which is sick and tired of war and the shredding of our Constitution.

I think Hillary will run ostentatiously to the right of him and is planned and expected to lose.

By then we will be embroiled in another war, and all promises of reining in the military or reducing the police state can be explained away as impossible for the time being, and we will instead receive more major privatization and gutting of social programs.

We are screwed no matter which is elected, because Hillary will have already run on all the things Rand Paul will end up actually doing.

The PTB have us by the throat, because they own both parties, and they will play us once again. If genuine, non-corporate, non-infiltrating Democrats had any power left in the party at all, Paul wouldn't have to be a problem. He wouldn't even have to be an afterthought.

People are drawn to these formerly fringe Libertarians and libertarian-style Republicans only because they say some of the right things re: reining in warmongering, curbing the drug wars, and stopping the outrageous surveillance state. Every poll shows that people across party lines despise their willingness to scrap social programs/gut Social Security. All Democrats would have to do to blow them away would be to re-embrace the principles and policies they were supposed to stand for all along but have abandoned since selling out to corporate interests: being the party that reins in Wall Street, ends the surveillance state and the police state, restores our Constitution, reduces inequality, ends the outrageous drug wars, and STRENGTHENS social safety nets.

But our party is purchased now by the same ones who own the Republicans, and that's not going to happen.

So corporate Democrats will threaten and bully that we must support Hillary in order to avoid Paul, and they will claim to be vindicated when Paul is a disaster for human beings. But the truth is that The PTB will pursue their agenda under either one of them. Hillary's ostentatiously Third Way/neocon/neolib campaign is designed and backed by corporatists to enable or even ensure the coming of Paul and the continuation of the corporate takeover of this nation.