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Erich Bloodaxe BSN

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145. No, you didn't read what I said as I meant it.

Sat Aug 23, 2014, 03:51 PM

Aug 2014

I said there are progressives, centrists, and dinos. The people who think I'm ad hom'ing them by calling them centrists are probably the dinos. They're the ones who are ecstatic when we pass 20 year old republican legislation and consider it a great win for democrats.

The Democratic party has grown on the right by absorbing disaffected Republicans from prior decades, many of whom have not evolved on their positions, but are simply ashamed to be associated with a Republican party controlled by outright nuts. I welcome former Republicans who actually evolve and embrace the Democratic Party Platform. I'm less thrilled about the ones who merely place a (D) behind their names and then continue to push things like pro-corporation 'healthcare reform' or economic policies that funnel wealth up to the top.

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Left concern about HRC is NOT "hatred"...it's about what we stand for as a party and a country [View all] Ken Burch Aug 2014 OP

OH "concern" is that what the kids are calling it today? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #1

concern backwoodsbob Aug 2014 #5

well she does have 2 million facebook supporters...there is that... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #49

A meaningless statement. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #58

did I or did I not say "just for starters" VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #60

I think it's not a question of whether she could win, or how many people love her. Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #179

Legitimate concerns to be sure; in response, all you hear are crickets. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2014 #277

So its not a question about the fact that she can beat every known Republican potential... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #284

A Republican in disguise can beat a genuine Republican. Fuddnik Aug 2014 #321

I have never done that, voted for a candidate I did not trust. Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #328

I have. Because I understand that the world doesn't revolve around me. BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #379

Thanks, I appreciate your point of view. Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #388

By itself, beating the Republicans isn't anything. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #338

I deeply dislike and distrust HRC's hawkish stance on foreign policy. I really, really do. BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #381

I will, too. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #389

John Cena - the wrestler - has nearly 19 million hifiguy Aug 2014 #62

Is John Cena running for President? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #66

Facebook is meaningless hifiguy Aug 2014 #72

I KNOOOOOW that is why I said..."just for starters" VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #73

OK lets get past starters. What else you got? Vincardog Aug 2014 #99

And the answer is... Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2014 #102

^^^^^^^^^ That summed it up nicely! n/t truedelphi Aug 2014 #173

that was just the jumping off point.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #109

You keep harping on "just for starters" what else you got to support HRC? Vincardog Aug 2014 #111

Who do YOU have first? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #114

I stand with the well written OP. You oppose it. Answer WHY of get Vincardog Aug 2014 #122

because you didn't answer my return lobby VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #151

You are a waste of time /ignore Vincardog Aug 2014 #158

Just like Hillary, no substance, all fluff. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2014 #279

That isn't the point at this stage. n/t. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #128

If Sarah decides to run, by that measure, Hillary doesn't stand a chance. Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #213

Wait.... umm, huh? Veilex Aug 2014 #331

She's got nothing but harassment for those of us that won't side with Goldman-Sachs and the rhett o rick Aug 2014 #234

NO see that is not how it works....as I stated before....unless YOU have something that beats that VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #289

No...thats not how this works... Veilex Aug 2014 #332

Can't you just allow the idea that many people support pangaia Aug 2014 #141

I can't push back when they trash her so vilely? With such disgust and disdain? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #291

So the candidates' policies and positions do not matter to you? LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #366

Well - if in essence the "just for starters" meant nothing Plucketeer Aug 2014 #287

Maybe next time don't lead with facebook! LOL, Nt Logical Aug 2014 #327

giiven tptb have crowned her has she said anything roguevalley Aug 2014 #129

Could you provide a link to her page? Because I can't find the one with 2 million fans. Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #210

More to the point... Veilex Aug 2014 #335

So, she lied? Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #336

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Aug 2014 #339

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Aug 2014 #340

Looks like I spoke a little too soon... Veilex Aug 2014 #343

Mitt Romney has over 11 million. Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #211

And Paul Ryan has 5+ million supporters... japple Aug 2014 #282

I am starting to think YOU are Hillary! lol! nt Logical Aug 2014 #326

Well, that didn't take long nxylas Aug 2014 #6

"the kids"? Ken Burch Aug 2014 #7

It's one of the favorite ad hom attacks of the centrist crowd. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #39

calling other Democrats "Centrists" seems to be the favorite of ad hom of the VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #50

it IS "centrist" to say the least, to argue that we have no choice Ken Burch Aug 2014 #55

OHHH so now YOU are the arbiteur of what is or isn't Progressive too.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #57

Not me by myself. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #61

Meaningless statement....Alot does not necessarily mean "most" does it? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #63

It doesn't have to be "most". It's enough that the number is growing. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #68

NO I would say YOU are the one being presumptious in thinking that YOU might VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #70

We do know one thing, if you supported Hillary in '08 you were in the minority. A Simple Game Aug 2014 #93

I voted for the winner of the Democratic Primary....yes before that I supported Hillary Clinton VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #108

You can really say that Hillary is to the left of President Obama? I notice you can't A Simple Game Aug 2014 #127

Yes I can....and I can prove it! VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #183

Oh dear, that is precious JaydenD Aug 2014 #270

No YOU don't give a poop....that is painfully obvious.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #271

I'm sorry but believing that Hillary is to the Left of the President JaydenD Aug 2014 #276

She forfeited any right to ever claim to be to the left of Obama Ken Burch Aug 2014 #134

one hit wonder are ya.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #184

That wrong headed decison got a lot of people killed. JaydenD Aug 2014 #196

and didn't she say so? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #236

Not really. And her support for MORE futile militarism in the Middle East Ken Burch Aug 2014 #334

can you please address specifically the other points of the OP? Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #214

Hillary supports trade agreements that only benefit Wall Street. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #218

In the last ten years, NOTHING mattered more than the Iraq War. Nothing. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #233

I believe you would earnestly like to influence those of us who have concerns. Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #182

as I have said...on DU...its much more than "concern" VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #185

I would welcome a thoughtful, substantive response to my post Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #197

Did I stutter? Am I known for pulling my punches? no..... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #207

I don't know you or your views, or what you're known for. Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #212

You avoid the point and simply go straight to disrespect and abuse. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #344

None of it is hatred and none of it is sexism. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #342

I don't feel like a big fish in a small pond. I try to avoid feeling like a fish, if possible. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #100

but at DU...that is all you are... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #112

I don't think of myself as ANYTHING special at DU. Just another poster. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #121

there are idealists....you are one...and there are those that know the true makeup of the Democratic VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #186

The true makeup of the party is NOT sharply to my right. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #230

I am concerned that you have created a fantasy world, in which few progressives have Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #194

You are wasting your time with VR. pangaia Aug 2014 #148

awwww..... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #168

If it wasn't for idealists, no progress would ever be made dflprincess Aug 2014 #283

May I suggest some debate tutoring? JaydenD Aug 2014 #192

that's their role on DU's cheerleader squad U4ikLefty Aug 2014 #224

Oh I am suppose to hold your hand while I vigorously disagree with you? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #258

NO...but you are supposed to treat everyone here with respect. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #375

Oddly, the self-proclaimed "adults" around here are also the Marr Aug 2014 #296

The fact that so many people do not want Hillary Clinton to run JDPriestly Aug 2014 #208

very good post, thank you. Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #216

Didn't know it was an ad hom. What word do you use to describe Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #77

Yeah but see....you decide WHERE the line is on "Centrists" VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #83

Well, personally, I consider them DINOs, but that's an ad hom, so I didn't use it. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #86

I note that HRC is a "centrist" when it's convenient for her supporters here friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #95

huh? what does that even mean? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #187

so anyone not as Left as you are is a Dino? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #118

No, you didn't read what I said as I meant it. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #145

I find some on the very far left are also DINO.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #147

I dunno, give me some examples? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #150

Well it seems even Ronald Reagan would be called one by the current Teabaggers.....get it? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #152

Wouldn't Reagan be a RINO, not a DINO? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #161

here's one right off the top of my head wyldwolf Aug 2014 #167

see my comment below about 'liberal objectives'. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #171

anyone who claims someone isn't a 'real Democrat' is very likely a DINO wyldwolf Aug 2014 #156

EXACTLY! VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #157

That is a convenient definition. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #163

What, exactly, does "actually DINOs" mean. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #164

'in order to pursue liberal objectives'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #170

You want to debate the policy. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #177

If free trade is solid Dem policy, then Dems are solidly wrong on that one. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #189

Maybe so, but again, you want to debate the policy wyldwolf Aug 2014 #193

I'm not sure why you think policy doesn't matter. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #198

Beautiful post. woo me with science Aug 2014 #200

Who decides which policies matter? wyldwolf Aug 2014 #203

You, me, and everyone else. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #205

As a man who has worked my whole life nilesobek Aug 2014 #292

who gets to decide WHAT is the Liberal objective? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #188

Let's hash it out. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #195

who's booting who here? Who is doing the purging here VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #190

I fear you are cementing my distaste for Ms. Clinton. Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #220

I'm no Clinton booster, but remember that the supporters are not the person. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #356

Thanks for the reminder. Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #365

Nobody is demanding absolute uniformity. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #116

Oh no? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #155

No irony at all. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #377

LOL. Sure, Ken. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #165

Yet on election day your "superior ethical standards and moral convictions" go out the door.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #191

sad to report there are a lot of people who will never vote for Hillary. Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #219

and then....they are no longer Democrats are they? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #227

Let's call them the voiceless ones. Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #240

hahahahaha right.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #243

Democrats are people that uphold Democratic Principles. H. Clinton is a Democrat only in name. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #241

Actually no....Democrats hold Primaries and they decide amongst themselves VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #256

Keep up the rationalizations, it must make you feel better about supporting rhett o rick Aug 2014 #261

Yes....its the rational position.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #262

I am a registered DEmocrat and will once again be on the phones GOTV as rhett o rick Aug 2014 #247

Are you going to work the phones for Hillary Clinton? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #263

H. Clinton stabbed me in the back. She let those of us that were against rhett o rick Aug 2014 #266

thaaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttsssssss what I thought.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #269

I will support Democrats, not all Democrats like some corporate sell-outs, but I will always support rhett o rick Aug 2014 #272

doesn't work like that....its called Democracy.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #274

H. Clinton was not respectful of the Democratic Party when she gave her rhett o rick Aug 2014 #280

OK, I have voted "lesser evil" and will do so again. So what? Ken Burch Aug 2014 #226

so you are not really a Democrat...you are an Independent who happens to vote Democrat.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #229

I am a registered Democrat. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #231

that doesn't matter...IF you are not committed to supporting the nominee the other Democrats VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #259

I wasn't even discussing supporting the nominee here. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #330

So... Is it any coincidence that the KOCH BROTHERS supported the DLC? cascadiance Aug 2014 #255

... and the DBC and damn near every Democrat since 2001 who accepted DNC funds? wyldwolf Aug 2014 #297

Exactly....these Far Lefties want to hold to their high and mighty ethics.....over the Democratic VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #361

I am willing to vote lesser-evil in the fall. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #345

This should make it easy for you: Marr Aug 2014 #299

When was the last time ... NanceGreggs Aug 2014 #347

"they're..." REPUBLICANS!!! NorthCarolina Aug 2014 #175

Correct! They should really be referred to as displaced Republicans, NorthCarolina Aug 2014 #166

Strange you'd take offence at that rather than "sucking up to the banks" Pholus Aug 2014 #172

Now you can't even be called a CENTRIST without whining? Marr Aug 2014 #221

Thank you. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #206

^^^Excellent analysis. nilesobek Aug 2014 #275

I'm "concerned" alright. Concerned about the fact that she still thinks it's a good idea to campaign Chakab Aug 2014 #11

Bu t it is a proven fact that whoever the Powers that Be want to win the election truedelphi Aug 2014 #176

I have concerns about the candidacy of HRC. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #14

Wait, what the heck was that all about? JaydenD Aug 2014 #22

Is that for real!? Stellar Aug 2014 #32

It is for real. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #37

Agreed! Stellar Aug 2014 #43

Not surprising, the Clintons have more in common with Ryan than they do with A Simple Game Aug 2014 #97

+1000000 woo me with science Aug 2014 #202

Again, you're hilarious ... Scuba Aug 2014 #47

Wow you got in as response number one. Best spot for a thread hijack. If you wish to convince rhett o rick Aug 2014 #232

K&R. Off to the Greatest Page with ya! nt ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #2

War and Wall Street 2016 MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #3

Good for TWM. I was waiting for you to show up. Now if only the Stock Market would rhett o rick Aug 2014 #250

You said it much better then I ever could 4now Aug 2014 #4

'and for what... an inadequate black male'... JaydenD Aug 2014 #199

This is very true. I agree wholehearrtedly. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #8

I suspect she knows what is going on out here, she simply does not care. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #15

Ask Hillary what she did for the women and children of Iraq, and Honduras. JaydenD Aug 2014 #20

Timely. nt littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #9

Kicking. Thank you, Ken Burch. nt littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #10

I'm concerned, given the relative ages of the Justices, that choosing an unelectable Trust Buster Aug 2014 #12

Very well said indeed! Duppers Aug 2014 #13

K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #16

Hillary's supporters will continue to try to misrepresent her opposition, because there are valid w4rma Aug 2014 #17

I had to log in just to comment & rec. She would be the second Walmart president. silvershadow Aug 2014 #18

I kept saying that I would love to see her run... daleanime Aug 2014 #30

Well said MissDeeds Aug 2014 #19

K&R ReRe Aug 2014 #21

Under no circumstances will I vote for HRC for ANY elected Office GiveEmEnoughRope Aug 2014 #23

HRC will have the Obama coalition to pick up your slack. The only thing preventing her from..... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #24

Do not leave the party. Stay and fight. It doesn't mean you ever have to rhett o rick Aug 2014 #253

Why would I want to remain a member of an organization that no longer reflects my values? GiveEmEnoughRope Aug 2014 #348

There are still lots of good people in the Democratic Party. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #360

Very well said davidpdx Aug 2014 #25

She's very charming! Her policies, not so much:) grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #26

It's hatred. 6000eliot Aug 2014 #27

No. It's not. It's obnoxious and simple-minded to brush all critical opinion of HRC as such. stillwaiting Aug 2014 #46

No.Not Hatred about her. mylye2222 Aug 2014 #48

A man with the exact same policies would get the exact same response. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #56

Keep telling yourself that. 6000eliot Aug 2014 #137

It is not hatred, nor is it misogyny. Curmudgeoness Aug 2014 #76

It is both. I don't care what your gender is. 6000eliot Aug 2014 #138

Everything that has been said about HRC has also been said about MEN with the same views. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #228

It is neither, no matter what you want to believe. Curmudgeoness Aug 2014 #285

Dr. Keith Ablow couldn't have diagnosed it any better. frylock Aug 2014 #80

Oh please. Maedhros Aug 2014 #81

yes it is. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #88

I am a woman who hopes and prays HRC does not even run for the office. truedelphi Aug 2014 #178

Bullshit Marrah_G Aug 2014 #374

Thank you. Thank you. Thank You. And also..... Smarmie Doofus Aug 2014 #28

Well said! fredamae Aug 2014 #29

I admire and respect Hillary deeply. Correct, it's her stand on the issues that Autumn Aug 2014 #31

Exactly. I am concerned that she is not what everyone thinks she is. We are a party that has a jwirr Aug 2014 #33

I cannot, in good conscience... 99Forever Aug 2014 #34

Some is... SidDithers Aug 2014 #35

I'm sorry Sid, I don't have your accumen when it comes to this stuff hootinholler Aug 2014 #38

You're right. You don't...nt SidDithers Aug 2014 #40

Nobody on the left is opposed to the very idea of a woman as president. You know that. n/t. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #67

Sid, are you going to vote for Hillary if she gets the nomination? n/t QC Aug 2014 #74

So if you were on the left, and informed, would you be concerned about Clinton's positions? A Simple Game Aug 2014 #113

I think there are many people like me, people can remember endorsing HereSince1628 Aug 2014 #252

Yes concern. bur not only. mylye2222 Aug 2014 #36

Entitlement. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #41

Accusations of hate and misogyny are what folks are stuck with because other than lame warmed up TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #42

"And no I don't trust her to appoint judges or anything else." woo me with science Aug 2014 #204

She's socially liberal, so she'd be better than a republican. Zorra Aug 2014 #44

Yes. I don't think they've made a Democrat so corrupt... Orsino Aug 2014 #64

That's been pretty much the mantra of the Dem party for the last 20-30 years. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #78

How can anyone "socially liberal" Maedhros Aug 2014 #82

Go look and see what she did as the first female on that board, why don't you? MADem Aug 2014 #115

Yes, that's supposed to be "ENOUGH" for you.... NorthCarolina Aug 2014 #180

When Hillary Clinton announces her candidacy, sometime after the MineralMan Aug 2014 #45

Nobody is saying that 2014 doesn't matter. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #53

Hear, hear! k&r n/t Laelth Aug 2014 #51

HRC - Too Supportive of Wall Street And The MIC - Too Old School - Not Progressive cantbeserious Aug 2014 #52

+ 1 brazilian. hifiguy Aug 2014 #65

Yes someone explain to someone that supports these positions on H-1B is "Progressive"? cascadiance Aug 2014 #257

Along with the above, I'm not a fan of political dynasties. GoCubsGo Aug 2014 #54

Exactly. This is 100% about policy hifiguy Aug 2014 #59

I agree that there are good reasons kiva Aug 2014 #69

Thanks Mr. Burch saidsimplesimon Aug 2014 #71

There is a group of people who will never be convinced of that... SomethingFishy Aug 2014 #75

Neither is questioning her political acumen loyalsister Aug 2014 #79

Thank you for the op sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #84

K&R. for u mylye2222 Aug 2014 #85

''Those, who have anointed her obviously fear that she might not do so well if confronted JaydenD Aug 2014 #201

But what you are essentially saying is... wyldwolf Aug 2014 #87

+ a brazillion...nt SidDithers Aug 2014 #89

Frankly, I've had it. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #96

This same statistically insignificant, hysterical component of the "left" has done the exact same Number23 Aug 2014 #268

And? IMO she's a hawk who endorses an antiamerican trade policy elehhhhna Aug 2014 #90

you're entitled to your opinion and ONE vote. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #92

Okay, then why do these supporters sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #94

show me examples of that. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #98

Just think of how many times sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #101

that isn't 'resentment' as you claim wyldwolf Aug 2014 #105

No strawman here. sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #119

that isn't for me to decide wyldwolf Aug 2014 #126

"Naturally any new candidate will need national exposure." woo me with science Aug 2014 #264

Sorry, that tired old 'it's just name recognition' canard doesn't fly wyldwolf Aug 2014 #286

No, they don't. Not enough of them yet. woo me with science Aug 2014 #313

Another example of a 'proooogresssiiivvee" who thinks he/she's smarter than the rest of. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #314

LOL. Yes, that's exactly what I was describing. woo me with science Aug 2014 #322

Amazing the number of people anxious to vote for her - despite the dire warning of 'proogressiives" wyldwolf Aug 2014 #354

so you're going to go with the asshole thing, then? Got it. elehhhhna Aug 2014 #104

it seems to be the only language the 'more liberal than thou' progressives understand wyldwolf Aug 2014 #106

No. Progressives understand principle and what it is to fight for it. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #125

but you, alone, don't get to decide if your principles are right the whole party wyldwolf Aug 2014 #133

None of us said we did...but we do have the right to keep fighting for what we stand for. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #239

Your OP contradicts you. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #246

No, I said her policies contradict what progressives and, on some issues, the American majority, Ken Burch Aug 2014 #337

all those words you typed in reply on re-enforce the point - you think 'progressives' along speak... wyldwolf Aug 2014 #351

NO, I don't claim to be smarter...just as smart. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #376

actually you said "it's about what we stand for as **a party*** and a country wyldwolf Aug 2014 #378

self delete wyldwolf Aug 2014 #242

Thank you for your brave struggles against the Left. Union Scribe Aug 2014 #298

you're quite welcome wyldwolf Aug 2014 #300

"mainstream Democrats getting beat up by the left" Union Scribe Aug 2014 #303

"mainstream Democrats getting beat up by the left" wyldwolf Aug 2014 #305

Excellent post!!! NanceGreggs Aug 2014 #209

The itty bitty segment of the Left MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #267

No, the itty bitty segment of the Left with delusions of grandeur. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #301

the Loyalists have never been right in 12 years, neither on what it takes to get into office MisterP Aug 2014 #91

Ok. Cheviteau Aug 2014 #103

he doesn't have a candidate. No one is perfect enough for him. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #107

I'm open to Warren or Bernie...also possibly Feingold(if he were to run)and several others. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #110

'open to' wyldwolf Aug 2014 #117

Not building myself an escape hatch. Just saying there are several candidates I could back. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #124

but why would you back them? wyldwolf Aug 2014 #135

Oh yes. According to Wyldwolf mylye2222 Aug 2014 #132

wtf are you talking about? wyldwolf Aug 2014 #136

Oh. You cdrtainly know what Im talking about. mylye2222 Aug 2014 #142

no, I don't understand your gibberish. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #144

There is not any need of �vidence. mylye2222 Aug 2014 #146

spoken like a true fundamentalist. You just have the squishy truthiness feeling inside. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #149

Ah !!! Here comes the usual name-calling. mylye2222 Aug 2014 #154

What name calling? 'Fundamentalist' is a very accurate description of 'progressives' wyldwolf Aug 2014 #160

Well, they certainly can't defend her shitty positions. JoeyT Aug 2014 #120

The country simply can't afford another Republican President -- from either party RufusTFirefly Aug 2014 #123

Well, some people here might hate HRC as a person. But that's really beside the point. Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2014 #130

I think Savannahmann is on the right track re: what running Hillary will accomplish: woo me with science Aug 2014 #131

Rand Paul will never make it out of the Republican primaries. What a joke. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #139

Oh, I disagree. I think that's not at all clear. woo me with science Aug 2014 #159

Let's make a friendly wager - $50 to each other's favorite charity wyldwolf Aug 2014 #162

Well, like many others in this corporate-looted economy, woo me with science Aug 2014 #169

We should start by identifying the most fundamental problem, then look for the right candidate. Maineman Aug 2014 #140

and when you "find" the "right candidate," what then? Beg that person to run? wyldwolf Aug 2014 #143

HRC has a record of issues she has stood up for many years. Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #153

Yup, but the unappealing neoconism is rather more recent. Pholus Aug 2014 #174

Did you read her position on the issues or you going by one interview? Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #181

You go with what major backers make the candidate says now, not the history. Pholus Aug 2014 #310

You are going on one interview, I prefer to take her record, I do not support candidates on a single Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #325

We're only discussing opinions here. Pholus Aug 2014 #349

When I read many post since the interview and excuses those writing the posts is HRC is too hawkish Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #359

Explain to us, please, what 'Neoconism' is. Impress us with your knowledge. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #217

Sorry, can't help you. Pholus Aug 2014 #306

of course you can't since all you could do is parrot what you read on DU. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #308

At least I can fill in the message box below the title with an argument! Pholus Aug 2014 #311

yeah, you do have that skill, lol. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #312

Just realized: if I'm a parrot, you're a pirate! Pholus Aug 2014 #320

Apparently you're confusing nouns and verbs. Perhaps a refresher in English is on your agenda. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #355

Oh the shame! Dissed by the legendary pirate "wyldwolf" Pholus Aug 2014 #357

Yes indeed wyldwolf Aug 2014 #358

Hmmmm, the only thing left to say would seem to be "Arrrr!" Pholus Aug 2014 #367

avoiding it to the end wyldwolf Aug 2014 #368

She has said nothing about Ferguson and she endorsed what Netanyahu did to Gaza Ken Burch Aug 2014 #238

as opposed to Warren who sent one solitary tweet on Fergusan and endorses what Netanyahu did to Gaza wyldwolf Aug 2014 #244

A tweet is at least something. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #341

It's a 'eh, I guess I'll say something.' wyldwolf Aug 2014 #350

The tweet means Warren wasn't silent. It's different from saying nothing at all. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #371

it means she took 3 seconds to tweet it and *poof!* all done and lost in the sea of tweets wyldwolf Aug 2014 #380

Did you read her position on the issues? She voted yes on IRV with Bush using all options Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #249

HRC's votes against Big Oil and for Education are impressive but... sorechasm Aug 2014 #307

Because Rand Paul is to the left of Hillary, Libertarians doesnt believe in doing anything Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #309

EVERYONE who voted for the IRV KNEW they were voting for war. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #333

Well said. I'd love to be in a book club with HRC... polichick Aug 2014 #215

Lots of unnecessary bile here. As long as it remains issue-based, we're all on safe ground DFW Aug 2014 #222

I think some of the anger is KoKo Aug 2014 #369

But Clinton is NOT our only choice DFW Aug 2014 #370

Yes DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #223

if hrc is the best we can do hopemountain Aug 2014 #225

Hillary Clinton's <<POLICIES>> are NOT conducive to a healthy, winning DEM Party. blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #235

except... wyldwolf Aug 2014 #237

Yeah, she has a lot of name recognition, but notice that her support is FALLING over time! cascadiance Aug 2014 #265

Hillary is a known commodity, in the world spotlight for over 20 years. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #288

Is Hillary like a Kardashian now? JaydenD Aug 2014 #318

The only thing many people KNOW is that she's SLIGHTLY better than today's Republicans... cascadiance Aug 2014 #324

a matter of perspective. What isn't a matter of perspective is the numbers anxious to vote for her wyldwolf Aug 2014 #352

K&R hay rick Aug 2014 #245

She Had Her Chance to Win My Vote yellowwoodII Aug 2014 #248

I find it bizarre Evergreen Emerald Aug 2014 #251

Because frankly this country is SICK of how it's been destroyed by Republicans and these Democrats cascadiance Aug 2014 #260

except no one believe that hogwash except the 'more liberal than though' left wyldwolf Aug 2014 #290

The only hogwash we have now is the so-called "liberal" media! cascadiance Aug 2014 #323

blaming the media for the left's total lack of organization skills? LOL. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #353

No blaming those that claim that "money is free speech" which is what CREATES this crap! cascadiance Aug 2014 #364

Hear, hear. woo me with science Aug 2014 #386

When One Defends The "War And Wall Street" Factions Of America - The Criticism Is Deserved cantbeserious Aug 2014 #294

No other candidate has ever said the stupid things she says. Except on the right. JaydenD Aug 2014 #319

It's not bizarre to treat her as every OTHER frontrunner is treated. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #373

Primaries are where you iamthebandfanman Aug 2014 #254

YIKES! 75% of the replies are on my ignore list-- as a DUer since 2002 this says something carolinayellowdog Aug 2014 #273

So, A Relentless Defender Of The Clinton's Is A Centrist Troll - Would You Be On Your Own Ignore List cantbeserious Aug 2014 #293

yeah, that 75% was "contributed" by just two posters. stranger81 Aug 2014 #346

If we stood for anything as a party, we'd be talking only of 2014 treestar Aug 2014 #278

Nobody is saying ignore 2014. But ignoring 2016 is giving up. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #372

this will fall on deaf ears. Those of us who object to Arne Duncan "hate Obama" Doctor_J Aug 2014 #281

+ 1,000 cantbeserious Aug 2014 #295

Why do people keep telling HRC to engage on particular issues? In one post last Welibs Aug 2014 #302

"not very many of us like what we see." wyldwolf Aug 2014 #304

Fuck the war machine, fuck facebook and fuck politics as usual. JEB Aug 2014 #315

Concern trolls 4b5f940728b232b034e4 Aug 2014 #316

Subtle. nt Union Scribe Aug 2014 #317

"Left concern about HRC is NOT "hatred"..." - I must respectfully dissagree... Veilex Aug 2014 #329

Not only would she be yet another moderate conservative in the WH... MellowDem Aug 2014 #362

She will be almost 70 years old by the 2016 elections though cstanleytech Aug 2014 #363

Having read just a handful of posts blasting HRC, I beg to disagree. BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #382

I think after 6 years of President Obama we can safely say there actually was little or no JCMach1 Aug 2014 #384

I agree. I doubt HRC would launch this country into unnecessary wars BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #385

+1000... part of the inevitability is historic I think... JCMach1 Aug 2014 #387

and how has 'not' electing Hillary in '08 worked out on the militarism front? JCMach1 Aug 2014 #383

At least...as of this point...we haven't bombed Iran yet. Or gone all-out in Syria. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #390

Things which Sec. Clinton has not said she would do... JCMach1 Aug 2014 #391

Fine. Concerns duly noted Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2014 #392

Concern noted. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #393