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Rand Paul, Sir, Will Not Even Get The Republican Nomination, Let Alone Win The General Election The Magistrate Aug 2014 #1
indeed. Has this utter disdain for HRC blinded some on DU to electoral reality? wyldwolf Aug 2014 #33
Yeah shenmue Aug 2014 #73
The MSM liberalmike27 Aug 2014 #76
And some have sacrificed their principles to back a presumed winner. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #115
I'm thinking: Maybe "principles" were never real enough to sacrifice to begin with... 2banon Aug 2014 #164
What get me is the sure audacity of thumbing noses at the plight of the lower classes rhett o rick Aug 2014 #185
He still has not taken his running shoes off when confronted with the question.. busterbrown Aug 2014 #94
None of Rand Paul's stands will prevent him from winning the Republican JDPriestly Aug 2014 #121
Paul will collapse under national scrutiny, as did Bachmann, Palin, etc etc. emulatorloo Aug 2014 #133
I haved constantly disagreed with "Jeb has no chance." RoverSuswade Aug 2014 #135
All your points are well thought out and I agree.. busterbrown Aug 2014 #158
You are right about Rand Paul in this regard (as well as with regard to other things): JDPriestly Aug 2014 #175
We are in agreement practically about everything... busterbrown Aug 2014 #195
Yes, they will (re: Rand Paul stances preventing him from winning the GOP nomination) stevenleser Aug 2014 #173
And Hillary's nomination could rip our party in two, if not in 2016, in 2020. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #184
Nope, it won't. No data suggests such a thing. nt stevenleser Aug 2014 #189
Great point. A H. Clinton-Sachs win will solidify the Conservative takeover of our Party. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #190
+1 woo me with science Aug 2014 #252
That's what they said about the 2008 primary. joshcryer Aug 2014 #260
Then you agree that Hillary should have challengers. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #273
Absolutely. joshcryer Aug 2014 #285
My first memory of a Democratic Convention was 1952 --I was nine. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #286
Obama is the most bipartisan President in history. joshcryer Aug 2014 #288
Good points. But partisanship just for the sake of partisanship does not get things JDPriestly Aug 2014 #289
I don't think he will JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #287
Agreed Gothmog Aug 2014 #99
Agreed. And Hillary Clinton is not inevitable. EEO Aug 2014 #111
The only thing inevitable about Hillary is that she will do Wall Street's bidding. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2014 #253
Thread should end there. JoePhilly Aug 2014 #177
Sadly typical. We must end the discussion because we don't have any good reasons rhett o rick Aug 2014 #187
Who in their right mind would ever support someone who made such a boneheaded decision to support the invasion of Iraq? InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2014 #254
In your opinion, who will get the Repub nomination? Don't leave us in suspenders. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #182
What this guy.. such a charmer.. and oh yeah a Liar Cha Aug 2014 #214
Very true. 3rdwaydem Aug 2014 #277
If I wanted to read that much, I'd go to school NightWatcher Aug 2014 #2
Never underrestimate the body politic in America. TM99 Aug 2014 #17
I, too, found this a good read ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #68
But it does seem that part of the Democratic base pscot Aug 2014 #119
I'm not sure what point you're arguing 2banon Aug 2014 #132
I am saying ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #140
ok. I think I understand you clearly now. 2banon Aug 2014 #168
Close ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #188
Women and minorities can't afford more corporatism. woo me with science Aug 2014 #205
Well Said, woo! 2banon Aug 2014 #208
Actually, ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #229
EXACTLY!! Get out of my head. I literally just posted the same point. Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2014 #236
"not that that is any of your concern" woo me with science Aug 2014 #237
Well, that not really true ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #245
Unless you're part of the 1%, it's YOUR STRUGGLE TOO. It's both RACE AND CLASS Struggle together 2banon Aug 2014 #248
Well, honestly ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #250
The Privileged Class does have it's perks, now don't it? 2banon Aug 2014 #255
I make no apology for ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #261
I think a more accurate and useful way to conceptualize the situation woo me with science Aug 2014 #269
Apologies not expected nor requested 2banon Aug 2014 #270
And you have a vested interest in maintaining the racial status quo; ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #271
I do not ignore nor deflate dynamics at play on matters of Race and Class 2banon Aug 2014 #274
Mischaracterizing what you are being told does not help your argument. woo me with science Aug 2014 #275
Yes, this exactly.. 2banon Aug 2014 #276
This response is to you, Woo and 2Bannon ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #283
OH, please! Don't lecture us. We know where we are, were, and will always be. You see, we never Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2014 #234
I see.. 2banon Aug 2014 #206
Very well said. I've noticed that tactic in the pro-corporate posting: woo me with science Aug 2014 #241
Thank you for adding more clarity... you're exactly spot on. 2banon Aug 2014 #247
So what are the important issues? Savannahmann Aug 2014 #218
Great post. woo me with science Aug 2014 #281
When Sarah Palin defeated Obama, I was incredulous emulatorloo Aug 2014 #98
You're not alone. hifiguy Aug 2014 #123
a dry drunk who destroyed every business he touched AlbertCat Aug 2014 #126
Bush was close enough in votes for hanging chads to matter. TM99 Aug 2014 #142
Saddest about Bush is yeoman6987 Aug 2014 #145
Yuppers and that is why I do not TM99 Aug 2014 #160
The Powers That Be ran a representative of the statis quo Democrats against rhett o rick Aug 2014 #192
And the media does not deal in complexities. It deals in simplicity. AlbertCat Aug 2014 #146
It fits the mold. TM99 Aug 2014 #161
I agree with most of your analysis 2banon Aug 2014 #171
I went to school and I still don't want to read that much still_one Aug 2014 #26
Current polling says otherwise...by a longshot. JaneyVee Aug 2014 #3
The way some anti-Clinton folks heap praise upon Paul, they probably hope you're right. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #4
Interesting viewpoint from a Kossack: JaydenD Aug 2014 #11
I think you are confused. OilemFirchen Aug 2014 #16
Its you who are. Obama was the underdog, Clinton was the overdog. JaydenD Aug 2014 #20
Obama is The Annointed One? That sounds like racist dribble that right wingnuts said about him... Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2014 #67
"they DID say that about him!" Veilex Aug 2014 #109
Nuh-uh. OilemFirchen Aug 2014 #141
Your "lazy logic". First you say, "nuh-huh, that didn't happen". Then, you say... Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2014 #225
You've seen the light! OilemFirchen Aug 2014 #227
Ummm. Candidate Obama was NEVER the "Anointed One"... Veilex Aug 2014 #108
I see. OilemFirchen Aug 2014 #122
I have seen the light! Veilex Aug 2014 #137
I see. OilemFirchen Aug 2014 #139
"Internet rulez, courtesy of Vellex." Veilex Aug 2014 #149
I believe I did. OilemFirchen Aug 2014 #152
So, since a single paper out of the UK has the words Veilex Aug 2014 #210
'Looks' is the key word. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #30
Can't disagree with what you said there. JaydenD Aug 2014 #40
Wow... you must really despise Hillary. DCBob Aug 2014 #170
Except the Kossack's viewpoint isn't grounded in reality. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #35
People mistake their opinions for facts and statistical analysis of the voters. stevenleser Aug 2014 #41
and that really is a hallmark of far left and far right thinking wyldwolf Aug 2014 #54
DU is as much a hall of mirrors as Free Republic or any other wingnut forum emulatorloo Aug 2014 #80
President Kucinich begs to differ. (n/t) OilemFirchen Aug 2014 #134
There's nothing wrong with that train of thought..... daleanime Aug 2014 #84
There is a LOT wrong with it. Opinions do not carry the weight of facts or statistical analysis. stevenleser Aug 2014 #110
A tool is only worth what it's used for.... daleanime Aug 2014 #147
That does not apply to this situation. The OP presented his opinions as fact. stevenleser Aug 2014 #153
Then we're not too far apart.... daleanime Aug 2014 #155
Opinions change, and Polls turn out to be Fantasy Demeter Aug 2014 #101
Deeply held beliefs do not change in two years. Polls are never fantasy. They are either stevenleser Aug 2014 #107
"People mistake their opinions for facts and statistical analysis of the voters" Veilex Aug 2014 #116
No, no, and no. stevenleser Aug 2014 #143
Embarrassing is pretending that those polls are meaningful. jeff47 Aug 2014 #166
Those polls and studies are meaningful for a number of reasons. stevenleser Aug 2014 #169
I love how you utterly ignored 2006's massive errors jeff47 Aug 2014 #176
I am doing nothing of the sort. You are wrong on every point. stevenleser Aug 2014 #179
Really? I'm so wrong you completely changed the subject? jeff47 Aug 2014 #183
I didn't change the subject. The entire OP is about Rand Paul vs Hillary. You changed the subject. stevenleser Aug 2014 #191
And you have never typed the word "Romney" because...... jeff47 Aug 2014 #194
Romney has nothing to do with whether Rand is electable. Again, Romney is part of your strawman. stevenleser Aug 2014 #196
Romney is an example of your analysis utterly failing. jeff47 Aug 2014 #199
No, it's not, because I am talking about something completely different than your straw man. stevenleser Aug 2014 #200
Then feel free to actually explain how Romney and McCain don't fit. jeff47 Aug 2014 #202
Yep! Looks like it did in 2006 and 2007 when Hillary the Inevitable, the Annointed One, Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2014 #238
Since Hillary has decided to publicly speak, those numbers have plummeted. JaydenD Aug 2014 #48
oh, yeah, a wild 4 - 5 point swing in a +/- 4% error sample. All it takes is 50% + 1 wyldwolf Aug 2014 #53
At this early stage, those numbers are quite significant. JaydenD Aug 2014 #60
not significant at all. Typical for a politician. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #62
We will see, won't we. JaydenD Aug 2014 #72
According to you. Not according to professionals like Nate Silver who accurately predict elections. stevenleser Aug 2014 #64
No, they haven't. Nate Silver just spoke directly to those assertions. stevenleser Aug 2014 #55
"...he looks more progressive on some current issues..." DonViejo Aug 2014 #36
I see it as calling it shameful toward Hillary rather than praise toward Paul. JaydenD Aug 2014 #51
The word "progressive" should never be used to describe Rand Paul. nt SunSeeker Aug 2014 #117
but yet some of his ideas are more progressive than Hillary's - on matters of war, for example. JaydenD Aug 2014 #136
No, they are not "progressive," they all stem from his anti-government views. SunSeeker Aug 2014 #144
Okay, I see your point. I don't intend to give Paul any honor. JaydenD Aug 2014 #148
That depends on how deeply you analyze his beliefs. The 'whys' matter. stevenleser Aug 2014 #150
He's actually not an isolationist. OilemFirchen Aug 2014 #154
Interesting post: Jamaal510 Aug 2014 #165
this is the most important subthread I've seen in a while. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #172
You suggest nominating Bernie Sanders? oberliner Aug 2014 #5
Actually I think the George McGovern defeat was pretty bad. Ironically, McGovern would have been a still_one Aug 2014 #28
That was before Mondale oberliner Aug 2014 #31
I agree still_one Aug 2014 #58
You know what Joe Turner Aug 2014 #212
That seems pretty defeatist oberliner Aug 2014 #223
I think you're right. woo me with science Aug 2014 #6
And....to those who claim so confidently that Rand Paul would never even get out of a primary... woo me with science Aug 2014 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Aug 2014 #59
Paul will implode in national spotlight, as Sharon Angle, "I am not a witch," Sarah Palin, etc. emulatorloo Aug 2014 #87
Exactly what people said about that idiot from Texas in 1998. jeff47 Aug 2014 #167
Rand is a "true-believer" who cannot STFU. Shrub was a suit who did what he was told emulatorloo Aug 2014 #201
Which is why he still goes on Maddow. jeff47 Aug 2014 #203
It is interesting, isn't it? 2banon Aug 2014 #278
+1 ...dayaaaammmmmnnnn spot on. n/t L0oniX Aug 2014 #71
Love to read your posts! +1000000000 Phlem Aug 2014 #127
Jeez, yes.. This is exactly what's happening.. 2banon Aug 2014 #279
I have as much chance as being the 45th president as Rand Paul/nt DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #7
I don't knowbout that ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #82
Progressives are going to vote for a man who said he would have opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #106
Please listen more closely to what the DU "progressives" ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #120
Take out the high falluting language DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #124
I don't see paul winning, either ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #130
You're making an argument for Democratic Party to take Anti-War and Anti-Wall Street positions 2banon Aug 2014 #181
That's my point ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #186
It seems that way at times.. 2banon Aug 2014 #193
My I ask what youdo for a living ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #217
Well.. now I'm on SSA.. 2banon Aug 2014 #230
While it is true ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #231
HRC 2banon Aug 2014 #235
And here's the sticking point ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #244
By today's Political Class Standards, I agree. 2banon Aug 2014 #257
We are talking two different status quos ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #258
Socio-economics Brother, Socio-economics. n/t 2banon Aug 2014 #259
Are two different interests, Brother. Two different interests. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #262
Sister to you please. No, they're connected. it's all connected. peel off that onion. 2banon Aug 2014 #264
Sorry ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #265
No Sir, that's quite incorrect. 2banon Aug 2014 #267
Okay, I see our disconnect ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #268
Socioeconomic, Racial and Gender Equality 2banon Aug 2014 #272
Hillary's theme will be "spreading American values" CJCRANE Aug 2014 #8
Like "hard working white people" values? Those values? Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2014 #69
Yeah... Jester Messiah Aug 2014 #105
Priceless: Rand running away from a Dreamer. n/t UTUSN Aug 2014 #9
Unrec, except for the LOLs. FSogol Aug 2014 #10
The thread is being very rapidly swarmed by the resident Third Way crew. woo me with science Aug 2014 #12
to counteract the absurd far left crew wyldwolf Aug 2014 #38
LOL. If it's so absurd, why swarm it? woo me with science Aug 2014 #42
no swarming. This is a discussion forum. If you want a place where only your opinion is allowed... wyldwolf Aug 2014 #57
+1. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #86
Oh come on now ...just as we are all warming up to the third way corporatist war hawks. L0oniX Aug 2014 #61
LOL! woo me with science Aug 2014 #70
Lol at "far left" ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2014 #128
^^^^This^^^ +1000 2banon Aug 2014 #233
They definitely hate the left more than they hate republicans. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2014 #242
Apolitical left. joshcryer Aug 2014 #198
oxymoron, there's no such thing. 2banon Aug 2014 #280
Not since Snowden and Greenwald evoked the swarm effect carolinayellowdog Aug 2014 #224
DU political prognostications always tickle me./NT DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #13
I agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #89
Maybe Paul Ryan but not Rand flamingdem Aug 2014 #14
I cannot find anything in your essay that I disagree with, Savannahman. Nay Aug 2014 #15
Either way, we're screwed. smirkymonkey Aug 2014 #22
You and OP must have skipped out on politics 101. First, ensure you have support of your base. stevenleser Aug 2014 #25
See post 18. woo me with science Aug 2014 #27
Right and wrong are soooo old school. Winning is all. L0oniX Aug 2014 #34
In politics ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #102
And another significant segment of the gop base ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #100
Good point. They won't say anything, they just won't donate money or set up PACs and that is a big stevenleser Aug 2014 #174
I think Hillary really does want more war. magical thyme Aug 2014 #159
Rand PAul will never get past the Baggers in the primaries. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #19
All other analysis of the subject says otherwise. Rand would alienate 30-40% of the GOP base stevenleser Aug 2014 #21
Would those be the same political professionals who.. Savannahmann Aug 2014 #44
You are mixing apples and oranges and hoping it supports you. It doesn't. stevenleser Aug 2014 #47
+1 "...the rest of us can look out and see what is really happening..." woo me with science Aug 2014 #63
Can't wait until he allows businesses to discriminate based on race, can you? emulatorloo Aug 2014 #90
I just can't wait to see the status of women and minorities in this country woo me with science Aug 2014 #197
Rand Paul? President? LOL. XRubicon Aug 2014 #23
Rand Paul is a lightweight. I have no idea why anyone thinks he will be President. TwilightGardener Aug 2014 #24
Who do you see getting the Republican nomination? oberliner Aug 2014 #29
They all lack gravitas. Gawd, I hate that word but it's true DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #32
Indicting Perry sure didn't add any "gravitas" to the status quo neocon crowd. woo me with science Aug 2014 #37
I really don't know. Probably Jeb. It was supposed to be Christie, but TwilightGardener Aug 2014 #45
I should also add, I think Paul Ryan will run and is less of a lightweight than Rand Paul. TwilightGardener Aug 2014 #75
Jeb Bush. The moneyed powers-that-be want him in the White House. eom BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #49
Reagan was a joke, too, and look what happened there. nt Nay Aug 2014 #81
LOL--and I'm still not over the absurd notion of GWB as President. TwilightGardener Aug 2014 #113
Absurd. DCBob Aug 2014 #39
I'm glad I read through all the comments, MoonchildCA Aug 2014 #138
you raise some good points, more likely Bush versus Clinton, as the elite battle it out whereisjustice Aug 2014 #43
I have always maintained that in 2016 it would be Bush vs. Clinton. Nay Aug 2014 #178
besides money polluting politics, congress is basically same size as 1914 in spite of fact that whereisjustice Aug 2014 #209
Rush Limbaugh stands with Rand Paul woo me with science Aug 2014 #46
"lends weight" plus Rush = LOL XRubicon Aug 2014 #50
Okay, buster... you and your coffee and donuts JaydenD Aug 2014 #256
Any ideas and principals from the opposition are automatically bad. Right? L0oniX Aug 2014 #52
A principled principal! OilemFirchen Aug 2014 #129
lol Bobbie Jo Aug 2014 #266
No ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #56
a VERY important point! n/t wyldwolf Aug 2014 #66
Actually, I never said I was voting for him. Savannahmann Aug 2014 #74
+1000 heaven05 Aug 2014 #77
His trip to do surgery on poor blind people in Nicaragua is his campaign in action and idiots Autumn Aug 2014 #65
Oh my sides....PULEASE Stop! I can't take it.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #78
Fingers crossed! Metric System Aug 2014 #79
Nice try! But no cigar. BlueMTexpat Aug 2014 #83
It seems that overlooking Paul sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #85
Watching the tape of him weasel out of those questions by that woman in the resaurant was..... wolfie001 Aug 2014 #88
Lots of people here would cut off their noses to spite their faces emulatorloo Aug 2014 #91
Are you Libertarian or Democrat? Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #92
From your lips to God's Ear Demeter Aug 2014 #93
I'm still hoping there is a serious challenge to 'inevitable' Hillary Dems to Win Aug 2014 #95
No it won't amuse bouche Aug 2014 #96
Rick Perry was never the presumptive nominee of the GOP Gothmog Aug 2014 #97
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #103
I disagree to some degree. indivisibleman Aug 2014 #104
I like Sanders as a Dem with Grayson as VP but I seem to be 1 of 2 here. rickyhall Aug 2014 #112
Suppose she's looking for a different effect? loyalsister Aug 2014 #114
Why not Eric Holder? Someone must have asked "why not Obama" about this time, 2006. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #118
I hate News of the future AlbertCat Aug 2014 #125
I have a SERIOUS fear MoleyRusselsWart Aug 2014 #131
Very good post.... AlbertCat Aug 2014 #151
Ha, duly noted MoleyRusselsWart Aug 2014 #156
I know... AlbertCat Aug 2014 #162
Yup, 5 week old son in MoleyRusselsWart Aug 2014 #163
A President Rand Paul sounds scary. Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #157
I don't think HRC can lose voters to the GOP Proud Public Servant Aug 2014 #180
Nah. Rand Paul looks like a muppet. jobycom Aug 2014 #204
I prefer Warren or Sanders but nominating Hillary will not lead to Paul or the Apocolypse pampango Aug 2014 #207
"Either way, the Base of the Democratic Party will find themselves agreeing with Paul ..." Scuba Aug 2014 #211
The base of the Democratic Party includes black folk. Black folk are not persuaded Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2014 #239
This is just not based in reality. DemocraticWing Aug 2014 #213
Hate To Say It But If Hillary Doesn't Clean Up Her Act...It's Rand Paul As Our Next President iloveObama12 Aug 2014 #215
Horse manure - such drama. Gman Aug 2014 #216
UNREC brooklynite Aug 2014 #219
Pretty Much Nonsense. MineralMan Aug 2014 #220
Oh, I wouldn't be so sure about that. Iggo Aug 2014 #221
If half the electorate wasn't nuts, I'd say you were off your rocker. Vinca Aug 2014 #222
Not that it would have dissuaded any of those Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #226
DU Rec. SixString Aug 2014 #228
He definitely is framing the issues that we should be out ahead of. Puzzledtraveller Aug 2014 #232
You said: Either way, the Base of the Democratic Party will find themselves agreeing with Paul Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2014 #240
The problem is that nobody is making sense on many issues. Savannahmann Aug 2014 #246
Excuse me. I didn't assert that black voters are the only Democratic voters. Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2014 #249
Let me begin by apologizing. Savannahmann Aug 2014 #251
+1 eom 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #284
Dream on. Ted "I fucked up the country" Cruz has a better chance! Rex Aug 2014 #243
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #263
The key question for the GOP is "Whose turn is it?" Wella Aug 2014 #282
For the last time Blue_Tires Aug 2014 #290
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