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The Magistrate

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21. From Some Consequences, Sir, Yes, From Others, No
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 02:31 AM
Aug 2014

It has, I think, some social utility to limit an investor's liability for debts of a corporation to his or her stake invested in it. Again, I go back to the early purpose, which was to secure investment for things which had a high risk of failure, as well as potential for great profit; overseas trade in the age of sail, mining, that sort of thing. There are things it is of wide benefit to have done, which might well not be done if investors had to fear they could wind up owing sums much larger than those they had invested if an enterprise failed badly.

That said, it is clear this sort of thing is subject to abuse, with manipulations of holding companies and shell companies, which allow a corporation to shed its debts and commitments by essentially becoming itself an investor in an another corporation, to which its debts are transferred, and which then goes into bankruptcy. Such behavior amounts to deliberate fraud, and ought to be regarded as criminal.

Where actions of a corporation violate the law, there should be no limit to liability for its directing officers, and for its board. This is one of several areas in which the legal fiction of 'corporate person-hood' breaks down completely, since the corporation has of course no actual existence, no will of its own, no capacity whatsoever to carry out any action independently at all. Everything done by corporation is actually an act of its owners, its management, and its directors. It is nonesense to say, for example, Bank of America broke a law: Mr. Moynihan, or his predecessor Mr. Lewis, broke a law, or profited by the breaking of a law by their subordinates for whose actions they bear command responsibility, and the board of directors which maintained them in officer ought to bear command responsibility for their actions as well. Acts of fraud or theft by corporate officers should be treated no differently from acts of fraud or theft by any individual, save that the greater scale and scope of wrong-doing by corporate officers ought to be considered an aggravating factor at sentencing.

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What exactly are you suggesting? frazzled Aug 2014 #1
Meh... I took it as more of a philosophical question. Not actually suggesting we dismantle society. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #7
If we can consider whether humans deserve to exist, certainly the same applies to corporations. bemildred Aug 2014 #9
Like Fire, Sir: Good Servant, Bad Master The Magistrate Aug 2014 #2
OK, for profit corporations then, limited liability for-profit corporations. bemildred Aug 2014 #8
From Some Consequences, Sir, Yes, From Others, No The Magistrate Aug 2014 #21
Fair enough, Sir. nt bemildred Aug 2014 #25
... nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #10
In my defense, Sir, I also want to point out that Sunday nights can be slow here. nt bemildred Aug 2014 #17
Not under the present rules fadedrose Aug 2014 #3
No. I want the government to control everything. Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #4
well BlindTiresias Aug 2014 #5
Actually getting a drivers license is a picnic compared to dealing with "customer support". nt bemildred Aug 2014 #11
Yes. Agschmid Aug 2014 #6
I vote no. Corporations exist primarily to shield owners ans stockholders from liability. Live and Learn Aug 2014 #12
Correct. that is the question. bemildred Aug 2014 #13
Well perhaps, but... JayhawkSD Aug 2014 #19
Hmm, the Carnagies, Rockafellers and others managed to do pretty darn well Live and Learn Aug 2014 #22
Wrong JayhawkSD Aug 2014 #26
And generally with lots of government "support" too. bemildred Aug 2014 #30
It's not so black/white dpibel Aug 2014 #29
Well, it's nice to think so. JayhawkSD Aug 2014 #34
Homo corruptus Kennah Aug 2014 #14
When states are accountable only to themselves, you get problems. joshcryer Aug 2014 #15
Anyone who is unaccountable can be expected to behave accordingly. bemildred Aug 2014 #16
they should have to prove they deserve to exist, on a regular basis eShirl Aug 2014 #18
They aren't necessary. moondust Aug 2014 #20
corporations can be good and useful servants Warpy Aug 2014 #23
The problem is BlindTiresias Aug 2014 #24
They are something of a necessary evil hifiguy Aug 2014 #27
I like the way you think. nt bemildred Aug 2014 #31
I forgot one thing hifiguy Aug 2014 #33
Yes, the laws are already there, but since we have a lawless government, they are ignored. bemildred Aug 2014 #35
You realize most mom & pop businesses are corporations? My family business is incorporated KittyWampus Aug 2014 #28
I'm willing to let the little ones go. bemildred Aug 2014 #32
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