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PeaceNikki

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154. he's an isolationist. that is not "more progressive". it's terrifying.

Mon Aug 25, 2014, 10:23 AM

Aug 2014

Shame on you for trying to sell his fucking snake oil.

Sure, he opposes military intervention in foreign wars, but not out of a sense of decency or pacifism; he would also withdraw from the UN (including humanitarian and peacekeeping operations, foreign aid would disappear, and if you think "unstable" regions are bad now, imagine what they would be like with the double-edged sword of multinational (read: US) corporate interests moving unchecked throughout the developing world AND an absence of monitored unilateral military involvement in those regions. Paul's position isn't one of altruism; it's one of isolationism. Not that I'm an advocate of First World military involvement in foreign problems, but look at what isolationism has netted in the past.

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Hillary is more likely to start a war with Iran than Rand Paul [View all] betterdemsonly Aug 2014 OP

Who are you calling liberal interventionists? The DLC types? merrily Aug 2014 #1

Whatever floats your boat? N/t betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #4

I think it's important that words have meanings. merrily Aug 2014 #5

P.S. The terms "Democrats" "liberals" and "New Democrats" do not share a single meaning. merrily Aug 2014 #8

Your OP was vague/confusing ReRe Aug 2014 #67

I don't know who the question was posed to. betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #83

"Liberal interventionist" ReRe Aug 2014 #98

Conservatives have called Liberals "interventionists" since time immemorial. ieoeja Aug 2014 #177

Wait a minute... ReRe Aug 2014 #182

I'm old enough that I remember the GOP calling us "The War Party". ieoeja Aug 2014 #188

Well, yes, the conservatives sure did call the Liberals... ReRe Aug 2014 #199

PLUS ONE, a whole bunch! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #115

He'll just start a war on the middle class and poor instead. JaneyVee Aug 2014 #2

The war on the middle class is completely bipartisan betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #3

Rand Paul put forth a budget cutting FOOD STAMPS by 30% while lowering taxes of the 1%. pnwmom Aug 2014 #7

Some Democrats, including some we consider liberal, never met a SNAP cut they merrily Aug 2014 #9

But not Hillary. You are wrong to imply she is in that group. n/t pnwmom Aug 2014 #142

Are you wrong to imply that only Republicans favor SNAP cuts? merrily Aug 2014 #191

Hillary never did. When did she ever vote for SNAP cuts? Link, please. n/t pnwmom Aug 2014 #221

Where do you imagine that I said Hillary voted for SNAP cuts? Link, please. merrily Aug 2014 #228

You jumped into a thread about how there was a bipartisan war pnwmom Aug 2014 #229

Jumped? LOL! I responded to YOUR post connecting cuts to SNAP to right wing policies by pointing out merrily Aug 2014 #230

PS While I never mentioned Bill at all, since you brought him up, he bragged on merrily Aug 2014 #232

Obama and Clinton have supported cuts to food stamps in the past, though betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #11

Would you be referring to President Obama? FarPoint Aug 2014 #37

Obama signed on to food stamp cuts. betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #47

Because GOP, including Paul, were holding the bill hostage - You just pulled blm Aug 2014 #77

He proposed a smaller cut as well and settled for the one he signed. n/t betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #84

Who the f do you think you're trying to propagandize? blm Aug 2014 #92

You not my boss. betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #94

LOL. I certainly am NOT your boss. I'd never carry water for Paul's fascist agenda blm Aug 2014 #109

Oh, so you think I am a member of NWO betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #112

It is becoming increasingly obvious that you are Republican propagandist. olegramps Aug 2014 #117

If it is so obvious that I am a republican, you should report me. n/t betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #123

You're definitely a water carrier - duped or otherwise, makes no difference blm Aug 2014 #127

Try to view the world like a normal person and not a partisan hack n/t betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #156

LOLOL. Advice from a duped Paulbot hack. blm Aug 2014 #162

Most Paul watercarriers don't know Paul fronts for Bushes blm Aug 2014 #122

I don't know what that has to do with anything betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #126

LOL - Your answers are getting funnier and funnier. blm Aug 2014 #130

Are you in a corner with your cheat sheet? betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #131

Don't need a cheat sheet - I'm not a water carrier. You outed yourself. blm Aug 2014 #136

Exactly. Iggo Aug 2014 #200

How old are you, 10? pnwmom Aug 2014 #147

"You're not the boss of me"? Iggo Aug 2014 #198

It's amazing how some "Democrats" on this board completely negate the unprecedented obstructionism BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #105

There's *always* an excuse. Marr Aug 2014 #201

Hillary Clinton has not. pnwmom Aug 2014 #146

+1 Nt newfie11 Aug 2014 #17

When NAFTA hit Clintons desk it was veto proof. olegramps Aug 2014 #111

He negotiated nafta, and had Rahm Emanuel lobby for it betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #149

That war on the poor has been underway since we were colonies. merrily Aug 2014 #6

We'd recognize that war is over & we lost if we quit redefining middle class HereSince1628 Aug 2014 #33

I have no idea what "middle class" means. Most peope don't. Most just assume they are merrily Aug 2014 #41

I had a friend and former coworker here in Korea go back to the US davidpdx Aug 2014 #118

What is it with all the Ron Paul posts the past couple of days? TBF Aug 2014 #10

Not all women view choice as being more important than all other issues. betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #13

You're presenting a false dilemma - TBF Aug 2014 #15

She is the only one that appears to be running. betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #16

No one has announced yet. TBF Aug 2014 #19

"She is the only one that appears to be running"? ieoeja Aug 2014 #181

LOL. You think Paul WON'T do what BushInc wants? He HAS been all along, blm Aug 2014 #82

Women are far more likely to support Hillary Clinton than the loathsome Rand Paul pnwmom Aug 2014 #150

Not all voters are women who make that their most imortant issue betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #152

Her Senate record on economic issues is VASTLY superior to the tea bagger Rand Paul pnwmom Aug 2014 #166

Vastly better is quit a stretch n/t betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #167

Not at all. His economic policies are as right wing as they come. When she was in the Senate, pnwmom Aug 2014 #169

Unsurprised at your proRandPaul post. He's duped plenty more than blm Aug 2014 #12

I am not pro-Paul betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #14

"I am not pro-Paul" MohRokTah Aug 2014 #26

You have Hillary in your icon betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #46

Hillary Clinton is a liberal MohRokTah Aug 2014 #70

Well you would be wrong. betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #72

. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #74

"Hillary Clinton is a liberal" Bwahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Scuba Aug 2014 #189

. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #192

I agree that demands for ideological purity are silly. So is calling Hillary a liberal. Scuba Aug 2014 #193

Hillary Clinton IS a liberal. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #196

Hillary is a hawk who is owned by Wall Street and supports the TPP. That DQ's her for "liberal". Scuba Aug 2014 #197

Hillary Clinton is a compassioinate person who supports women's reproductive... MohRokTah Aug 2014 #203

So, we should judge if someone is "liberal" or not ONLY on social issues? cascadiance Aug 2014 #225

yeah no she isn't qazplm Aug 2014 #202

Yes, she is. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #204

Obama may be "the most liberal president in US history" but that's a very low bar. The country ... Scuba Aug 2014 #209

. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #210

Liberal And Hillary Go Together As Much As OIL AND WATER!!! n/t ChiciB1 Aug 2014 #214

Well, you need worry about what you "get" from betterdems only's posts sibelian Aug 2014 #236

Stow it - Paul is a fascist wearing an anti-war jacket. blm Aug 2014 #85

What time have I ever posted on Paul? n/t betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #88

The 'no difference' postings fool some, but, not all of us. blm Aug 2014 #99

I never said their were no differences betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #102

LOL - You've been pushing the Paul 'messaging for Dems forums' blm Aug 2014 #103

What Paul messaging? betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #108

Stow it - Paul is a fascist wearing an anti-war jacket. His water carriers blm Aug 2014 #113

If you think it is so clear, why don't you report it? n/t betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #116

LOLOLOL - Expected that whine, too. blm Aug 2014 #132

"She is too conservative for most of the party." Bullshit. SunSeeker Aug 2014 #106

Because if they knew what she is been saying on foreign policy issues betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #110

So Dems knew in 2008 but Dems don't know now? Bullshit. SunSeeker Aug 2014 #124

I suspect you are pretty committed to Hillary and or betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #129

We're just not stupid enough to believe that Paul won't do exactly what BushInc blm Aug 2014 #140

I'll support her if she is nominated. betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #144

You "don't give a damn what flies" with most Dems, not just me. SunSeeker Aug 2014 #171

I wouldn't say most of the party, but many in the party davidpdx Aug 2014 #128

Hillary Clinton is at the present overwhelmingly favored against any Republican in the running. olegramps Aug 2014 #134

I would say that is extremely paranoid betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #137

It is obvious that you haven't read her book. Anyone who has would realize that you are ridiculous. olegramps Aug 2014 #148

She has a Senate record and that record shows she is vastly more progressive on economic issues pnwmom Aug 2014 #168

Bingo.... FarPoint Aug 2014 #38

. stonecutter357 Aug 2014 #61

Well said! greatauntoftriplets Aug 2014 #89

oh well... Ron Paul said it, so... Ohio Joe Aug 2014 #18

In real world people weight candidates as lesser evils betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #20

In the real world... Ohio Joe Aug 2014 #22

In the real world no-one would consider Clinton liberal n/t betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #23

In the real world, Clinton is a liberal and people who do not understand the term... MohRokTah Aug 2014 #25

She is not a liberal in the FDR sense, though maybe in the classical liberal sense betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #29

You really have a thing for Rand Paul. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #31

No betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #35

So then you come on DU to promote Rand Paul. eom MohRokTah Aug 2014 #68

Talking about the positions of the candidate betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #76

Then you segued into blaming Dems for cuts forced through by GOP. blm Aug 2014 #90

You're right... Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2014 #81

The term is understood differently abroad than it is in the US. merrily Aug 2014 #49

Whoa, whoa, whoa......... ReRe Aug 2014 #95

Clinton IS A LIBERAL MohRokTah Aug 2014 #97

HRC used to be a Liberal... ReRe Aug 2014 #119

She is VERY Liberal MohRokTah Aug 2014 #133

OK, MohRokRah... ReRe Aug 2014 #145

And that would make it ok to pimp someone even further right? Ohio Joe Aug 2014 #30

What Paul bullshit betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #36

I'm certain being an open Paul supporter will end well for you... Ohio Joe Aug 2014 #40

I am not a Paul supporter. betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #42

'Because Ron Paul said so' is not a fact... Ohio Joe Aug 2014 #44

That would be your strawman betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #50

ummm... OK, You don't know what a strawman is... Ohio Joe Aug 2014 #60

Just because someone points out that Hillary is a hawk betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #63

Asking for facts is an unintelligent thing to do? Ohio Joe Aug 2014 #65

You couldn't prove that by me... ScreamingMeemie Aug 2014 #51

Baloney - your propaganda efforts are failing here. blm Aug 2014 #101

Maybe you should report me. betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #107

Report you. No, its a lot more fun seeing you sliced and diced. olegramps Aug 2014 #143

Yep - knew if this one was given enough a rope..... blm Aug 2014 #157

Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #153

Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #158

Yeah, it's well known that Bushes are NOT fascists, eh? blm Aug 2014 #164

Not. Happening. JoePhilly Aug 2014 #21

So what third party ticket will Rand Paul be running on? MohRokTah Aug 2014 #24

He can get money for a republican run or an independent run as the case my be. betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #27

Please post these polls. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #28

Third party liberals do not win betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #32

No third party has ever won any national election. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #34

One of the parties may die. betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #39

Neither one of those people ran for President and won... ScreamingMeemie Aug 2014 #43

Ventura and Bloomberg never won the Presidency. merrily Aug 2014 #45

Those are winner take all seats betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #48

Sorry, but Governor and Mayor are NOT interchangeable with President. merrily Aug 2014 #52

That would be wishful thinking on your part. n/t betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #53

Rather than rebut my post on substance, you pretend to know my wishes? merrily Aug 2014 #235

Now you are REALLY reaching. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #69

I am not promoting Paul betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #73

That's all I've seen you do. eom MohRokTah Aug 2014 #75

How cares! n/t betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #78

You, apparently. eom MohRokTah Aug 2014 #79

Pfffft... crazy talk. demmiblue Aug 2014 #54

. stonecutter357 Aug 2014 #62

Do believe everything Rand Paul says? liberal N proud Aug 2014 #55

No but I believe what Hillary says betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #56

Rand Paul is on the wrong side of 99% of the issues ecstatic Aug 2014 #57

but some issues are more important to people than others betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #58

Whatever. ecstatic Aug 2014 #59

Wow, the smear brigade is out in full force this morning a2liberal Aug 2014 #64

"Brigade?" ScreamingMeemie Aug 2014 #71

If they seriously think I support Paul they should report me! n/t betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #80

Then stop mentioning his name as if he's a great alternative ecstatic Aug 2014 #87

I would rather Bernie or Liz betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #91

'ron paul said so' is not a point... Ohio Joe Aug 2014 #121

Whatever betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #139

truth? Ohio Joe Aug 2014 #163

The war mongers managed to get a number of anti-war DU members banned cpwm17 Aug 2014 #180

Hillary 2016........... stonecutter357 Aug 2014 #66

FRP. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2014 #86

No kidding .. TBF Aug 2014 #151

And junior's no better, IMO. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2014 #155

Agree 100%. nt TBF Aug 2014 #186

For the life of me, I do not understand why we are comparing anyone with Rand Paul. Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #93

When a candidate runs for election against another candidate betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #96

Ron Paul is just a person I personally would NEVER vote for...EVER. Stellar Aug 2014 #175

Why should DU be a site to compare a Libertarian. When they declare then compare. Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #217

On what do you base this assertion? Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2014 #100

Well, she has echoed the neocon view that there can be no betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #104

Even if true, I don't care. Let this Liberal be clear broadcaster75201 Aug 2014 #114

I agree that conservatism kills but she is a conservative dem betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #120

This is the problem Noddleface666 Aug 2014 #141

Rand Paul is more likely to start a war on Minorities than Hillary demwing Aug 2014 #125

I don't think the Clintons were great friends of minorities betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #135

My point is that these comparisons are irrelevant demwing Aug 2014 #190

Is that the dameocrat opinion?... SidDithers Aug 2014 #138

he's an isolationist. that is not "more progressive". it's terrifying. PeaceNikki Aug 2014 #154

An isolationists is more progressive than an imperialists n/t betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #160

aPaulogists are icky. PeaceNikki Aug 2014 #161

Hillary's position isn't decent or altruistic either betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #165

is it possible for you to criticize Hillary without claiming Paul is more progressive? PeaceNikki Aug 2014 #172

oh boy, another Hillary bashing thread. I imagine I will see some Obama bashing threads soon still_one Aug 2014 #159

This really isn't a Hillary bashing thread... it is a Rand Paul jerk off thread. n/t demmiblue Aug 2014 #170

it's both. PeaceNikki Aug 2014 #173

Awwwww, you are locked out of your own thread. demmiblue Aug 2014 #174

Unless it turned out that Rand Paul were a corrupt liar... Orsino Aug 2014 #176

I can agree Puzzledtraveller Aug 2014 #178

How about the "other" war? fadedrose Aug 2014 #179

Fuck Rand Paul FSogol Aug 2014 #183

. stonecutter357 Aug 2014 #185

pretty embarrassing to get banned from your own op. stonecutter357 Aug 2014 #184

When has Hillary advocated war with Iran? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2014 #187

last time I checked this wasn't the Republican Libertarian Underground... JCMach1 Aug 2014 #194

Clinton is more likely to be president than Rand Paul, so yeah I guess that's a true statement. Iggo Aug 2014 #195

I believe this to be true however Rand will not be the GOP candidate. Purveyor Aug 2014 #205

Bwhahahahahahahahahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!! zappaman Aug 2014 #206

Ron Paul JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #207

hear, hear! Stellar Aug 2014 #208

I'm so sick and tired of hearing how filled with awesome sauce this guy is JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #212

No more, no more.... Stellar Aug 2014 #216

she would only start a war if there was no other viable option samsingh Aug 2014 #211

OKAY, August 2014 & Coverage On Hillary Is A Daily Event!!! ChiciB1 Aug 2014 #213

i can't imagine her invading Rand Paul Enrique Aug 2014 #215

Hopefully the Democratic party ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #218

Rand Paul is more likely to declare the poor and middle class invalids. Initech Aug 2014 #219

BS. We have NO IDEA what Rand would do in office! He lies all the time Rex Aug 2014 #220

Paul's views on war are definitely better than Clinton's. Vattel Aug 2014 #222

Paul is certainly making the "concern rounds" on DU this week... LanternWaste Aug 2014 #223

If you believe a word he says AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #224

Kick for transparency...nt SidDithers Aug 2014 #226

Because the cheese wheel told you so!? Rex Aug 2014 #227

Haha, no. joshcryer Aug 2014 #231

If you believe a word Rand Paul says AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #233

NO one less hawkish or more dovish than Hillary is going to win the Republican nomination in 2016! Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #234

Only if you add "intentionally" quaker bill Aug 2014 #237