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In reply to the discussion: Hillary is more likely to start a war with Iran than Rand Paul [View all]ieoeja
(9,748 posts)188. I'm old enough that I remember the GOP calling us "The War Party".
Republicans opposed Truman's entry into Korea. They didn't much care for his Cold War at the start either.
JFK went to Berlin as the first American president to step into Communist occupied Europe as very much an "in your face" activity.
How does 1968 fall into that? Humphrey was the Vietnam war candidate. While Nixon had a "secret plan" for ending the war as the supposed anti-war candidate (he lied).
Conservatives only became hawks because the Cold War lasted so long. They are Conservative. They don't like change. War became another constant for them.
They also don't like things they don't understand. How could Democrats support the Vietnam war while simultaneously supporting the rights of anti-war demonstrators? Since they supported the latter, they must oppose the war even though most of them supported the war. That is just too complex for Conservative black-and-white thinking.
Then there was the whole truthiness thing. They didn't accuse the news media of being too Liberal because they felt the news media supported Democrats. During Vietnam they accused the news media of being too Liberal because they felt the news media was too honest. They felt that in a "time of war" it was the news media's duty to support the war, right or wrong.
All of these things came to link Democrats with anti-war even though that was never really a Democratic, or Liberal, thing. Anti-war is a small "c" conservative value. War is far more of a small "l" liberal value.
I would argue, in fact, that US national security has largely been a mess since the Conservative take over of national security. Conservative as a value is a poor fit with national security. They do everything in small ways. And they are inflexible. Liberals are faster to adjust to changing conditions. And they enter these things, dare I say, very liberally (as in a big way).
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Hillary is more likely to start a war with Iran than Rand Paul [View all]
betterdemsonly
Aug 2014
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P.S. The terms "Democrats" "liberals" and "New Democrats" do not share a single meaning.
merrily
Aug 2014
#8
Rand Paul put forth a budget cutting FOOD STAMPS by 30% while lowering taxes of the 1%.
pnwmom
Aug 2014
#7
Jumped? LOL! I responded to YOUR post connecting cuts to SNAP to right wing policies by pointing out
merrily
Aug 2014
#230
PS While I never mentioned Bill at all, since you brought him up, he bragged on
merrily
Aug 2014
#232
Obama and Clinton have supported cuts to food stamps in the past, though
betterdemsonly
Aug 2014
#11
He proposed a smaller cut as well and settled for the one he signed. n/t
betterdemsonly
Aug 2014
#84
LOL. I certainly am NOT your boss. I'd never carry water for Paul's fascist agenda
blm
Aug 2014
#109
It's amazing how some "Democrats" on this board completely negate the unprecedented obstructionism
BlueCaliDem
Aug 2014
#105
We'd recognize that war is over & we lost if we quit redefining middle class
HereSince1628
Aug 2014
#33
I have no idea what "middle class" means. Most peope don't. Most just assume they are
merrily
Aug 2014
#41
Not all women view choice as being more important than all other issues.
betterdemsonly
Aug 2014
#13
Women are far more likely to support Hillary Clinton than the loathsome Rand Paul
pnwmom
Aug 2014
#150
Her Senate record on economic issues is VASTLY superior to the tea bagger Rand Paul
pnwmom
Aug 2014
#166
Not at all. His economic policies are as right wing as they come. When she was in the Senate,
pnwmom
Aug 2014
#169
I agree that demands for ideological purity are silly. So is calling Hillary a liberal.
Scuba
Aug 2014
#193
Hillary is a hawk who is owned by Wall Street and supports the TPP. That DQ's her for "liberal".
Scuba
Aug 2014
#197
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MohRokTah
Aug 2014
#203
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Scuba
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#209
Hillary Clinton is at the present overwhelmingly favored against any Republican in the running.
olegramps
Aug 2014
#134
It is obvious that you haven't read her book. Anyone who has would realize that you are ridiculous.
olegramps
Aug 2014
#148
She has a Senate record and that record shows she is vastly more progressive on economic issues
pnwmom
Aug 2014
#168
In the real world, Clinton is a liberal and people who do not understand the term...
MohRokTah
Aug 2014
#25
She is not a liberal in the FDR sense, though maybe in the classical liberal sense
betterdemsonly
Aug 2014
#29
He can get money for a republican run or an independent run as the case my be.
betterdemsonly
Aug 2014
#27
For the life of me, I do not understand why we are comparing anyone with Rand Paul.
Thinkingabout
Aug 2014
#93
Why should DU be a site to compare a Libertarian. When they declare then compare.
Thinkingabout
Aug 2014
#217
is it possible for you to criticize Hillary without claiming Paul is more progressive?
PeaceNikki
Aug 2014
#172
oh boy, another Hillary bashing thread. I imagine I will see some Obama bashing threads soon
still_one
Aug 2014
#159
This really isn't a Hillary bashing thread... it is a Rand Paul jerk off thread. n/t
demmiblue
Aug 2014
#170
Clinton is more likely to be president than Rand Paul, so yeah I guess that's a true statement.
Iggo
Aug 2014
#195
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zappaman
Aug 2014
#206
I'm so sick and tired of hearing how filled with awesome sauce this guy is
JustAnotherGen
Aug 2014
#212
NO one less hawkish or more dovish than Hillary is going to win the Republican nomination in 2016!
Douglas Carpenter
Aug 2014
#234