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eallen

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56. How are those points relevant?
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 09:24 PM
Apr 2012

Money is not speech. People are not corporations.

But people forming corporations with money to publish everything from newspapers to political screeds is exactly what constitutes "the press." And has, for hundreds of years. And the 1st amendment protects freedom of "the press." That doesn't mean just people. That also means corporations from the New York Times to film studios to radio stations to book publishers.

If your answer is that none of those corporations should enjoy 1st amendment protection, then you're talking about an extreme retraction of the 1st amendment that every civil libertarian will oppose. If you think not, consider all the 1st amendment cases that could have been thrown out simply because it was a corporation publishing the speech at issue.

If your answer is that some of those shouldn't have 1st amendment protection, then the question becomes which and under what circumstances? What are the legal criteria you propose? And why?

Simply saying money != speech and people != corporations simultaneously says too much, if you're serious about withdrawing 1st amendment protection from the press. And too little, if you mean to slice with a scalpel rather than a meat clever.

That's precisely the problem missed by most who misunderstand Citizens United.


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it's ironic that if anything undermines Citizens United, it will be... mike_c Apr 2012 #1
IT'S A TRAP!!!! Ian David Apr 2012 #2
Why does a picture of Gingrich say 'It's a trap"? Kablooie Apr 2012 #22
That's unfair. bleever Apr 2012 #42
Only if by military, you mean crime syndicate. laconicsax Apr 2012 #48
Admiral Akbar is more handsome than Newt Gingrich thelordofhell Apr 2012 #52
They'll uphold it 5-4. MrSlayer Apr 2012 #3
Someone should track how the family members of the judges are doing. Baitball Blogger Apr 2012 #11
mmmmmmmmmm Skittles Apr 2012 #20
Sorry hon, it won't ever happen lark Apr 2012 #43
yeah I know Skittles Apr 2012 #54
Yes, someone would have to admit they made a mistake. A Simple Game Apr 2012 #24
The Supreme Corporation of the United States will use this case to strengthen it ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2012 #4
Holy shit. aquart Apr 2012 #5
Calling Stephen Colbert..... tanyev Apr 2012 #6
He has become the 21st Century Court Jester cr8tvlde Apr 2012 #8
They thought it was good used against Democrats HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #7
True, but some of us thought it over and done cr8tvlde Apr 2012 #9
I certainly hope so. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #13
Look what Adelson all by himself did for Gingrich. Ikonoklast Apr 2012 #44
A better headline would be: Supreme Court Gets a Chance to Extend Citizens United to State Level. Fool Count Apr 2012 #10
Unless the Dems hope another jackass ruling will make the SCOTUS a hot topic in this fall's McCamy Taylor Apr 2012 #26
SCOTUS conservatives doing the right thing? Ha! Never happen. They don't give a shit neverforget Apr 2012 #12
For Christ sakes, don't jump to conclusions longship Apr 2012 #14
And a tribute to the movement state by state to nail down their AG's on this issue: freshwest Apr 2012 #18
Bingo! Precisely. longship Apr 2012 #21
Signed nt duhneece Apr 2012 #33
Kudos to Montana! freshwest Apr 2012 #15
How many times to get it right? izquierdista Apr 2012 #16
k&r... spanone Apr 2012 #17
Now the contributions will tax deductible. briv1016 Apr 2012 #19
What really needs to happen is for corporations to be declared non-persons loudsue Apr 2012 #23
BS The Gang of 5 will use it to usurp state laws. Next election Super pacs in China will be funding McCamy Taylor Apr 2012 #25
Want to do something? RobertEarl Apr 2012 #27
No one here has yet suggested a good solution. eallen Apr 2012 #28
If your answers to the two questions above differ AlbertCat Apr 2012 #34
Yes, Citizens United was in the publishing business eallen Apr 2012 #36
Your logic is flawed. blackspade Apr 2012 #35
The NYT also publishes unsigned editorials eallen Apr 2012 #37
So you are not actually going to address my reply. blackspade Apr 2012 #40
What makes CU, Inc, NOT a media outfit? eallen Apr 2012 #47
You are either missing my point or ignoring it. blackspade Apr 2012 #55
How are those points relevant? eallen Apr 2012 #56
Citizen United is about treating money as speech. blackspade Apr 2012 #57
The CU case was about a corporation that made a movie and wanted to distribute it. eallen Apr 2012 #58
I think that legal constructs like corporations should be limited by charter to what their reach and TheKentuckian Apr 2012 #39
The history of the newspaper industry rebuts your claim about news being non-profit, non-revenue onenote Apr 2012 #41
But not TV, the source of most peoples news (if any) TheKentuckian Apr 2012 #60
Yes TV. TV news has always been a revenue source for stations and networks onenote Apr 2012 #61
So a Republican administration could remand NYT's charter? eallen Apr 2012 #49
Neither, though either or both might be granted such liberty TheKentuckian Apr 2012 #59
When they do reconsider it, they need to make sure that Clarence Thomas, sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #29
I wish progressoid Apr 2012 #30
Me neither. He has never recused himself when he has had a conflict of interest. sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #31
Too bad this thread wasn't about a dead artist, a dead religious figure, or a bad jury decision. Major Hogwash Apr 2012 #32
Oy otohara Apr 2012 #51
I think the article jumps the gun. onenote Apr 2012 #38
Thank you Montana ! KurtNYC Apr 2012 #45
Given how the SCOTUS currently does things... Prophet 451 Apr 2012 #46
I would be very cautious of reading too much into this...... Swede Atlanta Apr 2012 #50
HELL has indeed FROZEN OVER. ~nt 99th_Monkey Apr 2012 #53
Groovy! Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #62
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