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Ms. Toad

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88. Whether ice or pain works depends on the source of the pain.
Wed Aug 27, 2014, 08:39 AM
Aug 2014

In my case, I have had a muscle spasm of unidentifiable origin for 3 decades. It never disappears completely, but if I pay attention to how I sit, I can keep it down to a background level that I can live with. When a cycle of increased spasm starts (triggered reliably by certain chairs - including unreclined airplane seats), coaxing the spasm to cycle down is what decreases the pain. Heat does that - cold does not. Because of what it is that is causing the pain, heat does not give rebound pain - and cold only exacerbates it because when the muscles tense in reaction to the cold, it increases the spasm activity. http://saveyourself.ca/articles/ice-heat-confusion.php

Thanks for trying to help - but I spent the first decade and a half of living with this spasm visiting numerous physical therapists and pain management clinics. None of what they offered (including - off the top of my head - ice, short term heat, traction, TENS, cortisone blocks, massage, anti-inflammatory meds, and muscle relaxers) provided any long term relief. Extended heat coaxes the spasm to relax. It takes about a month once the spasm starts its vicious cycle of increased pain causing the muscle to tighten, causing increased pain, etc. But it is the only thing that does, short of one muscle relaxer which brings with it both physical and emotional depression. If I sound cranky it is because I run into so many people who are sure they know how to manage my pain better than I do, including the last physical therapist I ran into for a completely unrelated reason who set off set off the last month long spasm increase because she refused to listen when I told her that what she insisted that I do would set it off. Needless to say, she was fired.

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Sounds like a match made in heaven! nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #1
Speaking of a "match", my favorite is still these twins... KurtNYC Aug 2014 #2
Their mother must be so proud! nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #3
I just hope her womb had four arm rests! KurtNYC Aug 2014 #4
Do passengers have any legal recourse? MindPilot Aug 2014 #5
I wouldn't see why not jberryhill Aug 2014 #11
I'd think you wouldn't have much recourse against the airline, but might against the assholes. hughee99 Aug 2014 #30
Airlines specifically do not guarantee their arrival times. SheilaT Aug 2014 #118
I hate it when the person in front of me reclines MineralMan Aug 2014 #6
The guy in the seat in front of mine madamesilverspurs Aug 2014 #9
I had that happen to me. So I switched seats with my then toddler, and put her shoes back on. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #17
Good one! ecstatic Aug 2014 #40
Your creativity is appreciated discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #89
The guy was a piece of shit and a bully ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2014 #32
It's amazing how often Man from Pickens Aug 2014 #147
should have kicked it MattBaggins Aug 2014 #155
Agreed Action_Patrol Aug 2014 #10
Not only that, but the small amount they do recline Warpy Aug 2014 #13
Some of are only trying to avoid triggering additional chronic pain. Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #57
You'd have much better luck with ice Warpy Aug 2014 #69
Whether ice or pain works depends on the source of the pain. Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #88
Being able to shift angles every hour really does make a difference for back pain. mainer Aug 2014 #90
For me it is not being in one position too long - Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #92
I'll usually block a recline with my knees sharp_stick Aug 2014 #20
Same here. i snooze when I fly. kcass1954 Aug 2014 #22
For me it is a big deal. Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #55
I'm sorry to hear that. I assume that you make certain MineralMan Aug 2014 #94
I have learned which seats don't recline, so I avoid them Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #96
Many of the budget-priced airlines have MineralMan Aug 2014 #98
Frontier had reclining seats the last time I flew it - Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #99
I'm in the same boat... Earth_First Aug 2014 #162
I only recline if the seat behind me is empty Skittles Aug 2014 #70
I think airlines ought to give people enough room so they CAN recline their seats. MADem Aug 2014 #101
Yes, well... MineralMan Aug 2014 #105
When I fly it's longer than four hours. MADem Aug 2014 #121
Really? I could take a train to California from Minnesota, MineralMan Aug 2014 #125
Great for you! MADem Aug 2014 #128
Yup, it works for me. I'm speaking for nobody else. MineralMan Aug 2014 #135
It's been a few years since I flew on Sun Country. Jenoch Aug 2014 #146
Not as long as people buy the cheapest ticket jberryhill Aug 2014 #109
I think there's a happy middle available. MADem Aug 2014 #116
Do you? You should suggest that to the airline you own. MineralMan Aug 2014 #158
You having a bad day, or something? MADem Aug 2014 #159
me too. i hate their head in my lap Liberal_in_LA Aug 2014 #143
The make-up sex was probably great though n/t. taught_me_patience Aug 2014 #7
Interfering with proper operation of aircraft equipment jberryhill Aug 2014 #8
Gonna guess the dude will be in trouble. Aren't you supposed to obey the flight attendants? boomer55 Aug 2014 #12
Correct jberryhill Aug 2014 #25
Dumb... Blue_Tires Aug 2014 #14
In an article I read earlier tammywammy Aug 2014 #15
Which makes it even worse Blue_Tires Aug 2014 #16
If you recline your seat, you are a bag of dicks AngryAmish Aug 2014 #24
I used to fly that cheapo airline from JFK to LAX KurtNYC Aug 2014 #31
Sorry, I disagree philosslayer Aug 2014 #48
I'm with you--I fly a lot, too, and I sleep on the plane. nt MADem Aug 2014 #102
Or have a back condition that cannot tolerate the seat angle Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #59
I hate when people recline, but guess what... joeybee12 Aug 2014 #18
I don't know why it's so hard to just ask first if you want to recline. alarimer Aug 2014 #19
"What if the person behind is working on a laptop?" jberryhill Aug 2014 #27
I've tried before and it's all but impossible on that tray table at least. alarimer Aug 2014 #42
Meh jberryhill Aug 2014 #43
I'm not getting this reclining thing either. My husband is 6'4" and he's never had an issue Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #72
It's the puddle jumper planes that are the problem. NutmegYankee Aug 2014 #78
Agreed. I don't understand the anger. mainer Aug 2014 #93
What YOU said!!! MADem Aug 2014 #106
Kudos to your last paragraph! COLGATE4 Aug 2014 #130
Thank goodness ecigs make it bearable jberryhill Aug 2014 #139
It's a LAPtop--use the lap instead! MADem Aug 2014 #103
deleted redqueen Aug 2014 #28
Here's my solution.... philosslayer Aug 2014 #50
you can't recline until 10,000 feet jberryhill Aug 2014 #62
You're not supposed to philosslayer Aug 2014 #85
I support her! flamingdem Aug 2014 #21
United Airlines has banned the use of the Knee Defender. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #23
"A flight attendant asked him to remove the device and he refused" jberryhill Aug 2014 #26
Yeah, she should have just let the flight attendant handle it. TDale313 Aug 2014 #33
Some people don't get that FA's are part of the crew jberryhill Aug 2014 #34
It only reclines an inch or two, why are people so hostile about it? redqueen Aug 2014 #29
Actually… regnaD kciN Aug 2014 #35
Which is why I travel with an iPad Generic Brad Aug 2014 #46
It's only an inch or two: why are people so intent on reclining? Recursion Aug 2014 #74
If you have a sketchy back, it helps. Rather than demonize the person using the seat as it MADem Aug 2014 #104
He should have removed the Knee Defenders and then jammed his knees into the back of her chair DesMoinesDem Aug 2014 #36
Been doing it myself for years now and to works every time! Exposethefrauds Aug 2014 #37
I had someone jam their knees into the back of my seat once. Then they kelly1mm Aug 2014 #44
You really keep your knees jammed to the back of the seat for the whole flight? philosslayer Aug 2014 #49
With long legs it is not uncomfortable at all why should I have my flight ruined becuse of an Exposethefrauds Aug 2014 #81
And here I thought Knee Defender was arrow protection for adventurers. NuclearDem Aug 2014 #38
They're both jerks ecstatic Aug 2014 #39
Who the F bothered to invent that POS? KamaAina Aug 2014 #41
Someone over 6'2" who is tired of having their knees squeezed... Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #54
I'm 6' 3 1/2" KamaAina Aug 2014 #68
Delta, Southwest, and American - principally Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #83
...and there's your problem brooklynite Aug 2014 #108
I fly for busines Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #112
Someone who probably doesn't want their laptop damaged. Initech Aug 2014 #56
Are you the guy banging on the laptop behind me? jberryhill Aug 2014 #63
people are assholes, aren't they? they don't give a fuck who they're annoying Skittles Aug 2014 #71
Remind me not to sit behind you on an airplane. Initech Aug 2014 #122
Some of us don't like to inconvenience others Recursion Aug 2014 #75
UNAPOLOGETIC SEAT-RECLINER!!!!!! Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #80
It all started when they banned smoking jberryhill Aug 2014 #107
Yeah, cigarettes dipped in fentanyl. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #140
Except for the people having asthma attacks Ilsa Aug 2014 #152
Now that airline service... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #110
"paid in-flight entertainment" jberryhill Aug 2014 #113
"paid in-flight entertainment" discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #115
My inflight entertainment is a book. SheilaT Aug 2014 #119
i usually bring a small knitting project shanti Aug 2014 #124
If you use public transportation a lot you often deal with much worse situations Chathamization Aug 2014 #114
Yeah, exactly. If you dont want people to recline, dont let ANY seats do it. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #141
The "knee defender" is a violation of the contract that the woman had with United Wella Aug 2014 #45
What makes you think individual planes have "security" on board? ManiacJoe Aug 2014 #47
If they don't they should. It is well known that air marshals fly on board Wella Aug 2014 #51
The percentage of flights covered is in the single digits. ManiacJoe Aug 2014 #148
What about the rights of the guy behind? NutmegYankee Aug 2014 #76
I just flew United MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #52
They just haven't realized they can charge passengers $25 for use of a knee-defender Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #53
If you wish to recline, swipe your credit card... Phentex Aug 2014 #100
Wow.. how legal are they? to stop someone from reclinging in front? smh Cha Aug 2014 #58
illegal jberryhill Aug 2014 #64
I would think so.. and yet they're selling them. oh boy. Cha Aug 2014 #65
to be clear jberryhill Aug 2014 #66
Right. :) Thanks Cha Aug 2014 #67
The FAA does not ban the device. NutmegYankee Aug 2014 #77
Its use aboard aircraft in US jurisdiction is jberryhill Aug 2014 #84
*ahem* NutmegYankee Aug 2014 #149
Now I know I have a dirty mind dsc Aug 2014 #60
The real villain A Little Weird Aug 2014 #61
If you recline your seat on an airplane you are a horrible person Recursion Aug 2014 #73
yes Liberal_in_LA Aug 2014 #144
I guess I'm a "horrible" person then Art_from_Ark Aug 2014 #160
Holy shit. You think porn, peta, circumcision, olive garden or pit bulls are bad? Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #79
Did you hear about the circumcised pit bull who reclined his seat while reading porn and eating his Coventina Aug 2014 #126
I had no idea it was one of those subjects KurtNYC Aug 2014 #131
Yup. I've seen this flame-war before.... Coventina Aug 2014 #132
Wait until it's about children flying... tammywammy Aug 2014 #136
HEh heh Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #142
I've flown thousands of miles in the last decade... trumad Aug 2014 #82
^^^ Exactly discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #87
so you think it's okay to type on the tray table? jberryhill Aug 2014 #95
Oh fuck that's funny.... trumad Aug 2014 #133
You'd think some people did, yeah jberryhill Aug 2014 #137
I don't usually recline either. tammywammy Aug 2014 #129
To use the seat in the manner for which it was designed is a "douche move"? cleanhippie Aug 2014 #145
yep... trumad Aug 2014 #150
I think you are completely wrong. cleanhippie Aug 2014 #154
a million miles. trumad Aug 2014 #156
Am I supposed to be impressed? cleanhippie Aug 2014 #157
My personal opinion discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #86
I haven't flown since the 90's IDemo Aug 2014 #91
I go through periods where I fly a fair amount and my solution is to ask the person in back of me stevenleser Aug 2014 #97
You're a thoughtful person discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #111
Airline flights might think about offering Lorazapam Cocktails before take-off. Baitball Blogger Aug 2014 #117
It's also worth knowing that if you can plan SheilaT Aug 2014 #120
I think air travel should be banned. Coventina Aug 2014 #123
I think for many air travelers, a plane is the only form of mass transit they use. KurtNYC Aug 2014 #134
Oh, those annoying surviving passengers who bleed on you jberryhill Aug 2014 #138
Those Knee Defenders are great. Iron Man Aug 2014 #127
What happens when an unstoppable jerk meets an unmoveable prick? Marr Aug 2014 #151
You have bit into the crux of the biscuit there, socrates Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #161
What's the point of having recliners if they don't get used? arcane1 Aug 2014 #153
I've never been on a plane. Terra Firma. nilesobek Aug 2014 #163
Knee Defender LloydS of New London Aug 2014 #164
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