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salin

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160. Hi stranger!

Thu Aug 28, 2014, 01:29 AM

Aug 2014

I never left - and read first thing in the am and after I get back from work. But only at rare times do I have the time to invest in posting.

I didn't know you were back - and it is good to see you!

The spark for the ugly dynamics was apparent in the first primary season of DU. Heck the greatly missed Kephra was chased off for several months, after being worn down from being called a "Koolaid drinker" (the term folks for Kerry had for folks for Dean).

It's just when it was smaller it was easier to find and appreciate familiar faces - and at times have a sense of community that let one overcome the episodic vitriol.

Much harder to do these days.

If you see/learn that bigtree does start a blog - or become a regular poster elsewhere - please let me know by pm. I would love to follow it/him/his words as well.

hat tip from one oldtimer to another.

peace,

salin

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And yet another DU treasure gone :( [View all] ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 OP

What happened? MohRokTah Aug 2014 #1

This octoberlib Aug 2014 #2

what made him decide to leave? CTyankee Aug 2014 #3

was going to post a link to an OP he posted last night explaining in detail but octoberlib Aug 2014 #4

well, I get it...sometimes you think it's not worth the effort to keep beating a dead horse... CTyankee Aug 2014 #13

Much like the reason Fox News survives, they harp on negatives and impeding RKP5637 Aug 2014 #106

I think it was what happened... ReRe Aug 2014 #113

Interesting. The contrast between his thoughtful post in this thread and so many of the CTyankee Aug 2014 #137

+100 nt Mojorabbit Aug 2014 #159

I didn't know him well but I enjoyed his posts Warpy Aug 2014 #161

Almost as if by design -- making the "Underground" another 3rd Way/Center-right mouthpiece villager Aug 2014 #5

yes, we've been plotting this from our secret OVERground headquarters wyldwolf Aug 2014 #6

...each of them falling in line posting tiresome, yet endless, snark.... villager Aug 2014 #7

We get text alerts when it's our turn to post the snark wyldwolf Aug 2014 #8

...worry their snark like a little bone, which they think is both a) conversational villager Aug 2014 #9

psst! It's designed to get the response it's getting right now! wyldwolf Aug 2014 #10

...many of their posts, though, are marvels of total projection villager Aug 2014 #11

you're just not getting it wyldwolf Aug 2014 #14

And they're sooo angry Union Scribe Aug 2014 #71

Man, I know what you mean. You'd think if they were content in their ideals, they'd be less furious villager Aug 2014 #77

Yep... These Are The People That Think Their Cruelty Is Hilarious... WillyT Aug 2014 #15

Exactly, WillyT. They're in love with "the taunt," not discussion villager Aug 2014 #19

it's in response to the playground mentality people like you exhibit wyldwolf Aug 2014 #26

Thanks For Proving My Point... Project Much ??? WillyT Aug 2014 #39

the point was proven with post #5, of which you vehemently agreed with. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #42

Playground Mentality? HangOnKids Aug 2014 #53

Playground mentality? wyldwolf Aug 2014 #57

Sorry Wolfie You Could Never Hang Out Or "Our" As You Posted With Me HangOnKids Aug 2014 #62

Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #64

Well, someone took a hike... SidDithers Aug 2014 #163

Yet somehow the person who called West a racial slur is still here. Union Scribe Aug 2014 #164

Happy now? Kingofalldems Aug 2014 #165

Yup... SidDithers Aug 2014 #166

No I'm not happy at all. Kingofalldems Aug 2014 #167

You shouldn't be sad for too long... SidDithers Aug 2014 #169

You are just rude. morningfog Aug 2014 #98

We are all feline snooper2 Aug 2014 #51

I don't know why I thought of her but maybe it's because you sound like you may know. A Simple Game Aug 2014 #20

she was promoted up the policy department wyldwolf Aug 2014 #45

Because nothing says, "I care" like demeaning Damansarajaya Aug 2014 #86

You seem to have a handle on that "snark" stuff--the only members of the Democratic Party MADem Aug 2014 #16

"...you seem to be able to tolerate are those who think exactly like you..." villager Aug 2014 #21

Glad you're starting to see what I mean--you are, indeed, a marvel. MADem Aug 2014 #28

Thanks for bearing out my theses in spades, MADem! villager Aug 2014 #30

Yes, posts like this do so much to bring Democrats together.... MADem Aug 2014 #38

Wow -- flattered that you think I'm worth searching out! So -- let's actually disuss, then. villager Aug 2014 #50

I didn't have to look very hard. You're on this topic a lot. You're not the only one who engages MADem Aug 2014 #70

Wow! I am practically a poster on your bedroom wall! (So to speak!) villager Aug 2014 #74

Well, not sure what that comment was about. My links were right on point, not OOC. MADem Aug 2014 #83

Then let's have a good debate! Come on! villager Aug 2014 #90

I certainly do not want to appear to be rude, but based on your history of posts on this board, MADem Aug 2014 #95

So -- you refuse to have the kind of discussion you say you long for? villager Aug 2014 #97

Let's not affect confusion, now. Your position is no secret. MADem Aug 2014 #107

You're already mellowing -- we've just broached such a discussion below! villager Aug 2014 #116

Well said Number23 Aug 2014 #148

I don't think you should be sorry!!! MADem Aug 2014 #151

Right, because BOGgers NEVER have snark directed at them... stevenleser Aug 2014 #110

Yes we know about the offsite meeting place for the bullies of DU. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #156

It's divisive posts like yours that are a big part of the problem. The constant 3rd Way snark gets MADem Aug 2014 #12

From a 2002 DU 'about' page wyldwolf Aug 2014 #17

Even Democrats who don't like Hillary and don't want to vote for her are welcome here Autumn Aug 2014 #27

Even Dems who don't hang the progressive savior of the week's poster on the walls to kiss goodnight wyldwolf Aug 2014 #29

No one has done that except for maybe in your mind. Autumn Aug 2014 #32

Nothing wrong with disliking a candidate, but insulting her supporters is where the line should be MADem Aug 2014 #31

You know that works both ways. Her supporters have no problem with insulting other posters. Autumn Aug 2014 #37

I haven't seen it. In fact, I think most people like the alternative candidates as well. MADem Aug 2014 #41

You and I will disagree on that because some of us have an entirely different perception Autumn Aug 2014 #46

And that is the point--some of us have an entirely different perception and experience. MADem Aug 2014 #52

Yes people get sick of it, on both sides. n/t Autumn Aug 2014 #56

From you I have no doubt, but there are others who have quite boldly come out and said they will still_one Aug 2014 #72

Yeah I have seen that but I just figure that it's just disgust and frustration Autumn Aug 2014 #139

I hear you. I do not think those that say they will never vote for Hillary, will vote republican still_one Aug 2014 #144

Then there is the first line of the mission statement. A Simple Game Aug 2014 #33

then there is the insinuation you're making about the word 'liberal.' wyldwolf Aug 2014 #40

I am making insinuations about the word liberal? How does that work? A Simple Game Aug 2014 #143

You might want to have a look-see at what constitutes "politically liberal" in, say, Mississippi. MADem Aug 2014 #44

The word liberal has a meaning, perhaps you could ask the owners of the site A Simple Game Aug 2014 #145

Perhaps you might want to apply CONTEXT to this conversation, and understand that MADem Aug 2014 #146

Let's see go with a Mississippi Republicans definition of liberal or A Simple Game Aug 2014 #150

Funny, the cherrypicking, ain't it? Like ignoring the "Undergound" after "Democratic" villager Aug 2014 #54

ah, see, you just showed you complete lack of knowledge on what the 'underground' means here wyldwolf Aug 2014 #66

"Had nada to do with ideology..." villager Aug 2014 #68

certainly not for the founders of the site wyldwolf Aug 2014 #69

Democrats were "UNDERGROUND" after the (s)election of Bush. MADem Aug 2014 #85

Hopefully standing for policies different than Bush's? villager Aug 2014 #87

You can read the manifesto thoughtfully posted here as easily as I can. nt MADem Aug 2014 #88

Not really an answer, of course, but o.k. villager Aug 2014 #91

Well, it IS an answer, because if you don't go back to the beginning of DU, back to those MADem Aug 2014 #94

no, it's your interpretation. But it is a big tent! villager Aug 2014 #99

Huh? Don't move those goalposts, now.... MADem Aug 2014 #101

Well, I agree -- no one should be personally insulted villager Aug 2014 #103

As I have said, what constitutes "liberal" in Mississippi is not what constitutes "liberal" in MADem Aug 2014 #111

Well, okay, those are interesting points. villager Aug 2014 #115

And in Mississippi, I imagine that the successful Democratic candidate will find a way to MADem Aug 2014 #121

But we did control Congress, and we squandered the moment villager Aug 2014 #125

We never "controlled" Congress. We had a barebones majority, not a mandate. MADem Aug 2014 #126

Well, we never "control" it like the other side does, even when they're in the minority villager Aug 2014 #128

They "control" it by gridlocking. They are the party of NO. MADem Aug 2014 #129

That would be the ideal. And it would certainly lead to clarity about what the Dems finally, villager Aug 2014 #130

I was here in early 2001 and you are correct. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2014 #100

I was here on the 2nd day of operation, and I was THRILLED to find the joint! MADem Aug 2014 #104

LOL, it was months before I posted. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2014 #105

Yeah--those work computers were well-monitored where I was at, too!! nt MADem Aug 2014 #114

"... we have no affiliation with the Democratic Party"... OilemFirchen Aug 2014 #122

You may be right, but you would have to take it up with whoever A Simple Game Aug 2014 #142

+1 nt MADem Aug 2014 #152

I could not have said it better myself! hamsterjill Aug 2014 #35

Well said. nt Bobbie Jo Aug 2014 #47

Funny how ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #63

Link to the most extreme right wing post you have seen.... Logical Aug 2014 #34

Yes, what made it interesting were those who CARED about ISSUES. Now it's hard sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #80

Which is odd, Sabrina, since it's those focused almost exclusively on "electability" villager Aug 2014 #123

Exactly right. JEB Aug 2014 #172

You're far from alone in those views. I don't know what exactly they think they will accomplish sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #174

Whomever it might be - cwydro Aug 2014 #18

Sadly your post shows the empathy that most likely drives off good people. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #155

Sometimes mistakes happen for a reason and this was a good one. cbayer Aug 2014 #22

*sigh* nolabear Aug 2014 #23

Very sad. polly7 Aug 2014 #24

I've been a member here since 2005, lurked for 2 years before that, and seen a lot of GBCW posts riderinthestorm Aug 2014 #25

Exactly, before Ferguson Bigtree posted OP's constantly expressing outrage bla bla bla KittyWampus Aug 2014 #36

I think that bigtree was bothered that a prominent AA was slyly called a "coon" by another DUer Autumn Aug 2014 #43

Hi Autumn, I missed this. Add it to the reasons I cited below for bigtree's departure, which ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #55

... leftstreet Aug 2014 #60

One stupid post out of tens of thousands per week sends a DU'er out the door? KittyWampus Aug 2014 #73

Calling Obama a "coon" would have been deleted. (Different history with that word.) deurbano Aug 2014 #117

DU has changed significantly. What would before get hidden, not only languages like your example, still_one Aug 2014 #81

I completely missed that post ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #93

I don't care that it was aimed at Mr West, it could have been aimed at Michael Steele Autumn Aug 2014 #135

Absolutely ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #138

Had I ever used a term like that my 98 pound southern raised Mama would Autumn Aug 2014 #140

Good points, but not why bigtree left. ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #49

It's true -- assholery sells well here, alas. villager Aug 2014 #58

Vitriol thrives in GD same as it ever has. Always. riderinthestorm Aug 2014 #61

Well, Bigtree certainly added to the vitriol HIMSELF. Before Ferguson he contributed to that vitriol KittyWampus Aug 2014 #75

That he did. I was the target of some of that. But we all have our moments, including you. ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #82

And before that bigtree was a stong supporter of Obama. Autumn Aug 2014 #136

That's not DU, it's simple human behavior Hippo_Tron Aug 2014 #147

Everyone whe goes out with the cwydro Aug 2014 #48

Oh, cut it out. How mean and judgemental. People get frustrated and tired of polly7 Aug 2014 #59

+1 BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author conservaphobe Aug 2014 #65

Which has absolutely nothing to do with why he decided to leave. nt. polly7 Aug 2014 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author conservaphobe Aug 2014 #76

Certainly, 'some' do that. This isn't the case here. nt. polly7 Aug 2014 #79

Much as if churlish and peevish implication are made about the reasons a poster leaves... LanternWaste Aug 2014 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author conservaphobe Aug 2014 #118

Obviously, you don't give a *. polly7 Aug 2014 #119

Alright. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #120

Yeah, I don't think it's ever necessary to mock someone's disappointment, disillusionment, polly7 Aug 2014 #127

Almost as predicable as the petulant and churlish prophecies a poster will return. LanternWaste Aug 2014 #108

Sad but understandable, and I hope he returns soon. hifiguy Aug 2014 #78

+1000 polly7 Aug 2014 #84

Thank you, polly. hifiguy Aug 2014 #89

I'm glad for that. I knew you were missed by many. polly7 Aug 2014 #92

Did anyone save the deleted post? I see praise on the thread, but didn't see the OP. TIA. freshwest Aug 2014 #102

As of right now, the cached version in Google search shows the full post... Princess Turandot Aug 2014 #124

Thanks! I see how I can do that now. DU-only searches always don't work. freshwest Aug 2014 #141

I certainly hope he will return... and soon. deurbano Aug 2014 #112

I don't blame him for leaving enigmatic Aug 2014 #131

I'm thinking of finding other things to do with my time. There are still some gems here, but... ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #132

I left for 3 years enigmatic Aug 2014 #133

I agree. And I join with you in suggesting bigtree start a blog so that he can continue to ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #134

Hi stranger! salin Aug 2014 #160

He'll be missed malaise Aug 2014 #149

It's sad that bigtree's leaving. His Mike Brown posts were good ones. Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #153

and goodbye to Redqueen also Liberal_in_LA Aug 2014 #154

And goodbye to Nadin also. The bullies are winning. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #157

Well, I think it's stupid cwydro Aug 2014 #162

They win because they are dedicated, while others are interested in political discussions rhett o rick Aug 2014 #171

Wait. Nadin left? When? nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #170

She hasn't come back from yet another forced vacation... SidDithers Aug 2014 #173

an open plea to the one that run this place DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #158

Thank you, that is very well said. greatlaurel Aug 2014 #175

I suspect that at some time, they will come back. Rex Aug 2014 #168

Always loved Bigtree's posts abelenkpe Aug 2014 #176