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freshwest

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58. No, it always helps this party. The biggest problem with the Presidential Debate Corporation is that
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 12:31 AM
Apr 2012

It doesn't give enough voices to allow the voters to see what the candidates really stand for, it keeps the focus too narrow. We had spirited debates with third party candidates in the past, and then this damned corporate thing got in bed with both the parties.

At that time, Obama could have had his platform shifted left, but the media didn't want those 'losers' on the stage. But I suspect the media pushed it and probably said something like, 'Screw the fairness doctrine allowing all views, too much air time on people our owners don't like.'

Putting the heat on one man for a huge problem, the apathy, venality and gullibility of the American public in supporting things the left hates, is not productive.

The GOP, if anything, has taught us the hard way that networking through non-governmental and private entities such as churches and other influences of the voters, created their groundswell. They have taken over local and state elections so much that they have shifted this country to the right in such a firm way that we may want to deny, but it's there.

Obama is dealing with to deal a reality that many Democrats and people on the Left don't have to go face to face with. The USA is not shifting to the right because of him, it is shifting that way no matter what he thinks.

The good people of Wisconsin are setting an example, but they are also showing us just how entrenched the opposition really is. There is no magic wand to make those people go away. We are living in very dangerous times and the work is mainly local.

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You enjoy doing that, don't you? Arkana Apr 2012 #1
It is like a citronella candle for "the base is leaving Obama" posts. LoZoccolo Apr 2012 #4
Yes, nobody loves him, everybody hates him... Video and photos say otherwise. freshwest Apr 2012 #7
Someone tried to say real liberals left, while others started adopting the label for themselves. LoZoccolo Apr 2012 #17
Reminds me of the pastor telling members having troubles. 'You must not have been really saved!' freshwest Apr 2012 #18
Why continue the hostility? Ken Burch Apr 2012 #30
Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #44
I didn't lie Ken Burch Apr 2012 #50
My name is not LoZoccolo, and you responded to me and I answered you. freshwest Apr 2012 #57
The response was to your post, but really it was to the premise of the thread Ken Burch Apr 2012 #60
I wanted a primary challenge to define the differences, so 'who you talkin' to?' n/t freshwest Apr 2012 #55
To the person starting the thread, not you. Ken Burch Apr 2012 #56
No, it always helps this party. The biggest problem with the Presidential Debate Corporation is that freshwest Apr 2012 #58
The work IS mainly local Ken Burch Apr 2012 #59
The streets and the suites are part of a whole. Each requires the other. freshwest Apr 2012 #61
What is hostile? It simply states a bare fact. treestar Apr 2012 #65
That is your best comeback...EVER!! Wait Wut Apr 2012 #20
This thread was totally unneeded Ken Burch Apr 2012 #28
It seems clear there is a point... TheWraith Apr 2012 #46
That poll does not mean the left is ok with Obama's compromises and betrayals. Ken Burch Apr 2012 #53
you need to realize that you are just wrong. mopinko Apr 2012 #89
Seems unfair that you're last post was hidden. One of the 99 Apr 2012 #106
Poop, I say! Wait Wut Apr 2012 #85
He didn't need to make a comeback Ken Burch Apr 2012 #31
What? Wait Wut Apr 2012 #84
Where are those posts? morningfog Apr 2012 #36
Most popular president of all time, but... jenwilson Apr 2012 #2
"...that statement, while true, is false..."? Ken Burch Apr 2012 #26
You better believe it! n/t rufus dog Apr 2012 #3
LOL. FSogol Apr 2012 #11
what? rufus dog Apr 2012 #13
Someone mentioned in the common phrase of your subject line won't be happy with this thread. FSogol Apr 2012 #16
really did I make a mistake? rufus dog Apr 2012 #19
Oh shit! Wait Wut Apr 2012 #21
Nice one, rufus! Better believe it, indeed...Bwaahaaa! Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #39
Well played, sir! n/t zappaman Apr 2012 #45
lol/nt treestar Apr 2012 #66
Heheh... SidDithers Apr 2012 #87
K&R BumRushDaShow Apr 2012 #5
So nothing new to add. Okay. anti-alec Apr 2012 #6
Is plonk an insult? jenwilson Apr 2012 #8
Plonk is a Usenet jargon term for adding a particular poster to one's kill file FiveGoodMen Apr 2012 #10
Wait a minute, ignore them? I wasn't supposed to kill all the people in my kill file? FSogol Apr 2012 #12
LOL, if CTRL-k actually killed people, I'd be serving life in prison. n/t gkhouston Apr 2012 #77
Here, it typically means one of two things Ruby the Liberal Apr 2012 #15
It's a subtle way to say anti-alec Apr 2012 #24
Simply for stating a fact? treestar Apr 2012 #67
Not exactly. It means 'I am putting you on my ignore list'. LeftishBrit Apr 2012 #83
imagine what it would be if he really acted the "far left liberal" like the "liberally-biased zbdent Apr 2012 #9
Is it too late to primary him?!??!? Daniel537 Apr 2012 #14
What is his approval rating among conservative Republicans? Jamaal510 Apr 2012 #22
I've never met one who wanted Obama to EXIST, much less be POTUS. freshwest May 2012 #115
You wouldn't have the questions and tabs for that would you? n/t hootinholler Apr 2012 #23
Y'know...nobody challenged Obama in the primaries...so you really don't need to keep doing this Ken Burch Apr 2012 #25
Please explain this thread from 3 days ago and it's 98 recs Motown_Johnny Apr 2012 #29
Yes, and Obama was renominated anyway Ken Burch Apr 2012 #32
It can depress turnout. That post is pure bull shit Motown_Johnny Apr 2012 #73
The points raised in it are legitimate Ken Burch Apr 2012 #41
Compromise often leads to some of what you want, rather than none. LoZoccolo Apr 2012 #91
Why does this particular poll stick in your craw? AtomicKitten Apr 2012 #33
Not the poll. LoZoccolo's arrogant, gloating use of it. Ken Burch Apr 2012 #37
He didn't even post a link to this post (he never does), AtomicKitten Apr 2012 #43
You obviously don't know how he works, then. Ken Burch Apr 2012 #47
+1 treestar Apr 2012 #68
Posting a Gallup poll is left-baiting?... SidDithers Apr 2012 #80
He wrote me a DU mail last night that says "ARE you ever going to stop with the left-baiting?". LoZoccolo Apr 2012 #92
OH MY GOD, YOU'RE REVEALING THE CONTENTS OF A PRIVATE EMAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2012 #94
It was basically a reiteration of what he posted here. LoZoccolo Apr 2012 #95
Your "citronella candle" comment basically vindicated my point. Ken Burch Apr 2012 #98
Why should claims that the base are no longer supporting Obama go unrefuted? LoZoccolo Apr 2012 #100
Obama just clinched renomination without a challenge Ken Burch Apr 2012 #102
I've been posting this statistic since long before that. LoZoccolo Apr 2012 #103
Now, you no longer need to. Ken Burch Apr 2012 #104
Why do you assume that I'm saying anything in addition to the statistic? LoZoccolo Apr 2012 #105
Ken... Wait Wut Apr 2012 #86
A little low. Zax2me Apr 2012 #27
Out of desperation. Ken Burch Apr 2012 #34
Those are not liberal Democrats. Bonobo Apr 2012 #35
You are not the arbiter of how people define themselves. AtomicKitten Apr 2012 #40
Nope, you're right. People can call themselves anything they want but it doesn't make it true. nt Bonobo Apr 2012 #42
For instance, those who call themselves Democrats RZM Apr 2012 #48
+1...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #81
Nailed it Number23 Apr 2012 #113
fair enough - AtomicKitten Apr 2012 #49
But I think that applies even more to what someone calls someone else, no? BzaDem Apr 2012 #62
Your reply didn't make much sense. Bonobo Apr 2012 #72
No, that works only for self defining classifications. TheKentuckian Apr 2012 #97
Exactly right AK! One of the 99 Apr 2012 #107
DU is not a good representation of liberal Democrats in general Kaleva Apr 2012 #51
not anymore U4ikLefty Apr 2012 #64
Never has been NNN0LHI Apr 2012 #76
see post #71 U4ikLefty Apr 2012 #99
True since most of the liberals have been driven off of DU. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #71
... SidDithers Apr 2012 #82
Reagan? treestar Apr 2012 #69
Even Obama admits his policies re health care are those that Reagan would applaud. nt Bonobo Apr 2012 #70
And Mormons aren't real Christians. JoePhilly Apr 2012 #74
Well if you're just using "liberal" without any meaning behind it, you are right. Bonobo Apr 2012 #79
*sigh* How often does it need to be said? Many liberals do not identify as Democrats. joshcryer Apr 2012 #78
You don't get to be the arbiter of "liberal Democrats". Sorry. Arkana Apr 2012 #96
Liberal Democrats won't be decisive in the election. We need to track the Indys. morningfog Apr 2012 #38
87% who don't think that Prez O. is sending us all to hell. MrScorpio Apr 2012 #52
Uh oh, down from 139% gratuitous Apr 2012 #54
87% of those who one might expect to be naturally inclined to support him, do so. Hmm. Electric Monk Apr 2012 #63
One of the things I DIDN'T miss lately. hobbit709 Apr 2012 #75
Why do so many fall for the Liberal Democrat equals all of the left or all Liberals? SmellyFeet Apr 2012 #88
Ahhh yes... 99Forever Apr 2012 #90
LZ, please know this: DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2012 #93
LZ admitted in H&M a while back that he's looking to provoke others into rash posts. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #108
I'm not sure there's much value in doing that. LoZoccolo Apr 2012 #109
You deny you wrote that? Fumesucker Apr 2012 #111
I wrote something, but not that. LoZoccolo Apr 2012 #112
K & R Scurrilous Apr 2012 #101
Surely this is good news? Nye Bevan Apr 2012 #110
K&R&LMAO Number23 Apr 2012 #114
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