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babylonsister

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Thu Aug 28, 2014, 06:01 PM Aug 2014

'We don't have a strategy yet': What everyone gets wrong about the quote that will haunt Obama [View all]

Posting this to preempt the trash talk that is bound to come in about a minute.


'We don't have a strategy yet': What everyone gets wrong about the quote that will haunt Obama

Updated by Zack Beauchamp on August 28, 2014, 5:30 p.m. ET


When President Obama gave a press conference Thursday afternoon on Iraq and Ukraine, he mostly reiterated things he or his aides had already said. But there was one line that'll be quoted again and again, particularly by critics.

When asked about whether his future plans for combating the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) required congressional authorization, Obama ducked. "I don't want to put the cart before the horse," he said, before uttering the line that'll likely haunt him for the rest of his presidency.

"We don't have a strategy yet."

On one level, it's an absolutely devastating indictment of the administration's approach to Iraq and Syria. The president took pains to emphasize the fact that his administration had been warning the Iraqi government, for at least a year, about the threat from ISIS. If his administration was so concerned about ISIS, why didn't it have a plan for dealing with its advance in place? Why do they seemingly have no plan for kicking ISIS, perhaps the most dangerous extremist group in the world, out of the Maryland-sized territory it controls?

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There's also a more sympathetic interpretation.

Viewed in context with the rest of his remarks, Obama's point might be that there is no good strategy available for fully defeating ISIS in both Iraq and Syria — which is both consistent with his approach the crisis in those countries, in which he has primarily avoided risky escalation, and perhaps true.

Throughout Obama's addresses on ISIS, including this press conference, he's emphasized the need for a political strategy to defeat ISIS, one that focuses not on Washington but on Baghdad and, in an ideal world, Damascus. Barring political reform in the Iraqi government, and the development of some sort of peace in Syria, it'll be really hard to fully defeat ISIS. In a changing, complicated situation, Obama's thinking has long seemed to be, it's better not to prematurely commit to a specific problem that might not fit the changing situation.

You can't have a strategy for what can't be done, in other words.


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http://www.vox.com/2014/8/28/6080031/obama-isis-no-strategy?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=ezraklein&utm_content=thursday

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Already saw it in a different thread. tanyev Aug 2014 #1
Will not change his policy, just cable and Twitter fodder. The new Obama suit is also trending. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #2
The audacity Aerows Aug 2014 #5
McCain or Romney would have had a strategy a long time ago randys1 Aug 2014 #28
That's because those two characters think with their dicks. . . DinahMoeHum Aug 2014 #35
Love Carlin's dick wagging routine about them randys1 Aug 2014 #36
The one thing I like about this President madokie Aug 2014 #3
But on the other hand, in addition to honesty, we needed a leader who could foresee the truedelphi Aug 2014 #8
Surely you aren't suggesting that that is all his doing madokie Aug 2014 #13
The reason we elect Democratic Presidents is to stand up to Republicans, Maedhros Aug 2014 #25
I see you don't understand what I was getting at madokie Aug 2014 #27
He should get a strategy for firing a speechwriter leftstreet Aug 2014 #4
Put it in context and you would also disagree with your assessment. And was it part of the speech, Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #6
He's the US Prez, not a shift manager at McDonalds leftstreet Aug 2014 #10
It was in response to a question, not part of he opening speech, but to get back to the context Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #11
His people didn't anticipate that question? leftstreet Aug 2014 #14
Not in context, I would disagree entirely with the whole shocked premise. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #19
The WH calls ISIS 'a cancer' 'apocalyptic' 'imminent' leftstreet Aug 2014 #21
You do understand that Obama was alluding to whether we would strike in TwilightGardener Aug 2014 #24
His complete answer was fine if... YvonneCa Aug 2014 #40
You are spot on Mr Sanders madokie Aug 2014 #16
This is ALL congresses fault Politicalboi Aug 2014 #7
Maybe he should have just answered the question. Vattel Aug 2014 #9
How do you have a strategy for something that can not be done? What is the end game? Is Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #12
If the premise is something cannot be done then why say yet? TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #44
Iraq kicked America out at the end of the war America started, remember? Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #45
and stay out! TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #46
Sounds like he did answer the question. nt babylonsister Aug 2014 #15
He did madokie Aug 2014 #18
They want a red line to take us to war. YvonneCa Aug 2014 #41
He's still deciding what to do, in terms of whether to totally declare war and TwilightGardener Aug 2014 #17
Does America need the consent of Syria or is it entitled to just go in and bomb as it pleases? Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #20
Since it appears that Assad allowed ISIS to flourish, I don't think we'll be asking TwilightGardener Aug 2014 #22
Allowed them to flourish?......give your world view head a shake, sir. Did Iraq also allow this? Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #29
Read the Wall Street Journal article from last week that lays out how TwilightGardener Aug 2014 #30
Well, that does it, a WSJ Fox owned opinion piece is very convincing......not. Keep shaking. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #31
The question was whether he would need congressional authorization to pursue his plans in Iraq. Vattel Aug 2014 #23
He was answering more broadly, I believe, than just whether or not he needed authorization-- TwilightGardener Aug 2014 #26
Poorly rendered as usual Doctor_J Aug 2014 #32
Nothing to smooth over, that was the point. And since he has a rough ride even from Democrats, who Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #33
regardless of the situation, "We have no strategy" is a bizarre thing for a president to say Doctor_J Aug 2014 #38
In reference to war in Syria, it is not. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #42
They were pushing for another.,, YvonneCa Aug 2014 #43
And it's a real shame you never have anything but criticism babylonsister Aug 2014 #37
Why lie? The situation is fluid. The US wants and needs support from other countries, panader0 Aug 2014 #34
Yes. moondust Aug 2014 #39
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