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cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
38. I think it may be a symptom of a few things...
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 06:14 PM
Aug 2014

We're living in a world now where so many of us, probably especially many of us on this board are feeling as much difficulty in dealing with life experiences that they have ever felt with:

1) the economy basically making everyone broke and providing job experiences that aren't as rewarding spiritually, friendships, and for some just feel abusive at times, but situations where they couldn't bail out of as much as they used to be able to in the past when it got to that point. Families are ripping apart in many cases with these situations too, making things worse.
2) increased health problems with more problems with poverty, health insurance issues along with debt, etc. that makes it harder for people just to cope with feeling well all day.
3) Very divisive issues in politics where we all feel the NEED to build many movements to do something TODAY to fix the problems that seem so entrenched in front of us. Those that stand in the way of us seem a lot more threatening and more obstacles we need to "knock down" than they used to when we were trying to just build "awareness campaigns" when there was less sense of urgency.
4) The businesses you've been used to, the social venues both online and in the real world are also all feeling the economic pain and are either shutting down in many cases or completely changing, which affects those that use them and disrupt their lives too.
5) When this gets compounded, I think we feel more isolated when we're dealing more with these sorts of issues and other distractions that make it harder to interact with the people around us. There are increased suicides now, and we're becoming more aware of that after what happened to Robin Williams.

DU has been a place where people came together and tried to seek common ground with fellow members, gathering information we all cared about, and finding ways to build consensus on we could deal with the political environment around us. We may have had our disagreements at times, but enough of us were secure in our own lives, and felt there was enough common ground, and less sense of urgency than today to feel like we needed to get in to more nasty arguments and divisions here. Unfortunately I think that is changing. Many feel the need to build their own movements, which in the absence in some cases of other things of value in their lives, becomes their mission, and the need to "shut down" opposition to these movements so that they can build more power to do what they want them to do. When we get splits on issues like who should we support for president and run the party, respect each other's gender and race, amongst other things, people take it a lot more personally than we used to. Sometimes I don't think we realize when we go to far how much we also might be hurting others the same way we're feeling hurt ourselves.

It's sad, because I think if ultimately people could all look at each others' measuring sticks and how we each had to deal with life's issues day to day, we'd probably discover a lot of agreement on what needs attention and how to deal with it.

I think what I would ask is that everyone take a step back, especially if they're dealing with problems of their own that they feel are unique to them and realize that we're all dealing with a lot more adversity today, and that unless we find ways to come together to deal with that adversity, this place will continue to be a place that people leave from. And hopefully don't feel that they have to go so far in leaving as Robin Williams did, rest his soul!

Maybe if you can't agree with someone on certain political issues, we can find ways to appeal to each other in ways to make up for all of the other difficult parts of life we're all dealing with now, and at least be a source of personal friendships that could help restore this place as a valuable place in so many peoples' lives.

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Yep - hard to argue with that nt el_bryanto Aug 2014 #1
agree yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #37
I'm so glad the admins re-opened the meta forum. morningfog Aug 2014 #2
Isn't it the general discussion forum? Seems so sometimes still_one Aug 2014 #6
If cat picture threads are welcome here, then I think "meta" threads are at least as valuable. nt Maven Aug 2014 #41
They did? caraher Aug 2014 #43
The ignore function makes DU so much more enjoyable NightWatcher Aug 2014 #3
It works for me newfie11 Aug 2014 #13
For whatever reason they leave they have every right to post a farewell message still_one Aug 2014 #4
I agree on both points. MineralMan Aug 2014 #19
I agree. BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #31
It just doesn't seem very DU. Or at least not the way I remember DU being. Iris Aug 2014 #40
What does the Grace Baptist Church of Waterloo have to do with leaving DU? IADEMO2004 Aug 2014 #5
Good bye cruel world libodem Aug 2014 #11
I don't know what it (GBCW) means either - oh wait maybe I do - LiberalElite Aug 2014 #61
You got it - Good Bye Cruel World. NaturalHigh Aug 2014 #71
The Waterloo Tales betsuni Aug 2014 #67
Beauty. Well done. IADEMO2004 Aug 2014 #69
I don't post in those threads either aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #7
Good points. MineralMan Aug 2014 #20
Many of them treat others poorly pintobean Aug 2014 #8
I can't really agree with you in recent examples. MineralMan Aug 2014 #21
I wasn't seeking your approval. /nt pintobean Aug 2014 #24
OK. You got my comment anyhow. MineralMan Aug 2014 #27
He never said you were. eom BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #28
Freudian Slip. Ikonoklast Aug 2014 #46
The Recent Examples Make Me Disagree With You ProfessorGAC Aug 2014 #44
OK. we see it differently. MineralMan Aug 2014 #52
We Can Include One Another ProfessorGAC Aug 2014 #53
gotta have thick skin to survive in this cyber world madokie Aug 2014 #9
I don't even think lack of a comeback is the issue. winter is coming Aug 2014 #16
I think it helps to be old. I grew up in a different world and so I have a different CTyankee Aug 2014 #17
One of the perks of getting old madokie Aug 2014 #22
boy, ain't it the truth! Perspective is everything to me... CTyankee Aug 2014 #26
amen to that! Dyedinthewoolliberal Aug 2014 #49
Exactly madokie Aug 2014 #50
In the real world, too. Ineeda Aug 2014 #48
"I equate meanness as a repub characteristic" -- this right here! betsuni Aug 2014 #63
So, of course... pipi_k Aug 2014 #73
Did you get off at the wrong bus stop? betsuni Aug 2014 #74
I believe I'd have to go all Ernest T. Bass Heidi Aug 2014 #78
When they write a GBCW, it seems as though it often preempts any "vacation" or cooling off period.. hlthe2b Aug 2014 #10
Most write a GBCW thread for their friends, so they will know they weren't banned. Major Hogwash Aug 2014 #97
thank you for that...I've been here since inception and don't anticipate a GBCW exit, but... hlthe2b Aug 2014 #98
plus 1000 Liberal_in_LA Aug 2014 #12
I find and have found myself Sherman A1 Aug 2014 #14
Fair points there. MineralMan Aug 2014 #23
I took a similar break last year... NaturalHigh Aug 2014 #55
There's many online, and in life, who can dish it out but not take it. nt conservaphobe Aug 2014 #15
+1e12 ProfessorGAC Aug 2014 #45
How many were there? I saw 2. cui bono Aug 2014 #18
Not recently. Those two, though, I'll miss. MineralMan Aug 2014 #25
I hate to see good thinkers and outspoken feminists leave here. I feel sad and lonely. CTyankee Aug 2014 #30
Yes. Exactly. MineralMan Aug 2014 #33
I just found out that nadin has left. Her profile states she's msanthrope Aug 2014 #57
From what I understand, she scrambled her MineralMan Aug 2014 #60
She posted to Facebook yesterday tkmorris Aug 2014 #68
I saw that this morning. I was wondering why she hadn't MineralMan Aug 2014 #79
The OP here is guilty of the same incivility toward Nadin. SixString Aug 2014 #62
Bluntly...nadin could dish it out. Still, I wish she had not left.... msanthrope Aug 2014 #64
my favorite was the windmills treestar Aug 2014 #89
There was something delightfully Don Quixote-ish about her....and I loved her for that. msanthrope Aug 2014 #94
It's a two way.street. 99Forever Aug 2014 #29
Yes, but it's still sad for me. MineralMan Aug 2014 #34
Not necessarily. BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #35
Unfortunately, they're usually people who think disagreement with a post, Warpy Aug 2014 #32
Perhaps. There is still a differece between MineralMan Aug 2014 #36
Again, A Point of Contention ProfessorGAC Aug 2014 #47
We all see things from different perspectives. MineralMan Aug 2014 #54
I think it may be a symptom of a few things... cascadiance Aug 2014 #38
Thank you for a well considered reply. MineralMan Aug 2014 #58
Very insightful, and true. redstatebluegirl Aug 2014 #70
I can empathize with those folks, TBH. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #39
Free money! XemaSab Aug 2014 #82
There's a disturbing and growing increase in incivlity and tolerance here lately. ColesCountyDem Aug 2014 #42
I wonder why they mimi85 Aug 2014 #51
I can't say. Everyone has a different way MineralMan Aug 2014 #59
I don't either. mimi85 Aug 2014 #84
Ego. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #66
Ha... mimi85 Aug 2014 #81
My own two cents on that is pipi_k Aug 2014 #75
Good way of dealing with them. mimi85 Aug 2014 #83
I've found that people are usually treated the way they treat others. NaturalHigh Aug 2014 #56
I do too, and I find it odd. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #65
I don't think rq would leave DU because she was treated poorly as an individual. I think that the seaglass Aug 2014 #72
Well said. City Lights Aug 2014 #76
Agree completely with this assessment. cui bono Aug 2014 #86
I know, especially when you take into consideration, it's only the internet. nt valerief Aug 2014 #77
I agree get the red out Aug 2014 #80
I think it's more about the general poor treatment that certain issues gets from DU than cui bono Aug 2014 #85
There is some tendency to be over-snarky treestar Aug 2014 #87
Snark has always been part of DU threads. MineralMan Aug 2014 #92
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Well, that seems clear from the OP, I think. MineralMan Aug 2014 #90
Yes and I sometimes choose to comment and sometimes create a headline Rex Aug 2014 #91
GBCW post > Manifesto Nevada Blue Aug 2014 #93
Or Opus SixString Aug 2014 #96
What they do not say is that they never... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Aug 2014 #95
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