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Harmony Blue

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30. Shaming tactics never work

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 12:03 AM

Aug 2014

and haven't worked the last 20 years. Maybe time to try something different which is more inclusive instead of divisive?

The other day I was trying to wrap my head around as to why the WAF movement is gaining traction lately and I think this is a textbook example of why. But I will let the women in the WAF be more specific about their feelings and opinions. Just an observation of mine as an outsider.

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What misogyny? [View all] BainsBane Aug 2014 OP

it is really depressing that we keep having to explain this over and over and. . . niyad Aug 2014 #1

On the plus side it's possible that a few more people catch on each time el_bryanto Aug 2014 #2

Right. Weren't you the one who posted the OP in HOF BainsBane Aug 2014 #3

If I did it was a long time ago - but it is certainly possible. el_bryanto Aug 2014 #5

No, that was Bjorn_Against KitSileya Aug 2014 #35

Okay, thanks BainsBane Aug 2014 #38

If only there were a way to explain it only once... Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #87

not like the whole of the net has not exploded on this issue. women demanding more.... seabeyond Aug 2014 #88

There's a thought! cyberswede Aug 2014 #96

Some truth here. With a few caveats, however. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #4

If they don't believe in male privilege than what is the point to their feminism? el_bryanto Aug 2014 #8

I think the issue there is the same with objecting to white privilege BainsBane Aug 2014 #11

Because you are the ultimate authority about women's rights and concerns. BainsBane Aug 2014 #10

Dude, free money. nt LeftyMom Aug 2014 #18

Erm....what, exactly? AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #21

Go check your replies from yesterday. The internet wants to make you an offer you can't refuse. nt LeftyMom Aug 2014 #22

Thread win. n/t JTFrog Aug 2014 #25

! cyberswede Aug 2014 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger Aug 2014 #44

That was my first thought, too XemaSab Aug 2014 #71

Cha-ching! n/t Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #84

wha??? i do not get it. i want in. someone link???? nt seabeyond Aug 2014 #89

A variant of the ALS ice bucket challenge Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #94

omg... lol lol. thank you gormy. nt seabeyond Aug 2014 #95

I just read that other thread BainsBane Aug 2014 #122

Why should a few feminists be called prudes? BainsBane Aug 2014 #19

No no no gollygee Aug 2014 #20

+1 treestar Aug 2014 #80

+1 n/t Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #90

*Checks watch* Right on time, AverageJoe Scootaloo Aug 2014 #23

To Be Honest JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #151

I'm left-winger, redruddyred Aug 2014 #26

I think the Nordic model has some upsides to it. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #27

what is that supposed to mean? redruddyred Aug 2014 #34

May I try to clarify a few things? AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #37

not from what I've read. redruddyred Aug 2014 #40

Probably best to ask the sex workers themselves shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #148

where do you think this is coming from? redruddyred Sep 2014 #149

Your post is probably one of the most misogynistic things I've read here... shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #150

and suggesting that prostitution is an acceptable profession redruddyred Sep 2014 #154

I'll tell you a story shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #155

yeah that's how ayn rand got her point across too. redruddyred Sep 2014 #156

It is a truth played out every day shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #157

do note that we no longer have child workers redruddyred Sep 2014 #167

Are you really bemoaning the end of child labor? gollygee Sep 2014 #158

The end of child labor? shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #159

OK so children's lives were made horrible by child labor laws because they couldn't work anymore gollygee Sep 2014 #160

Yes shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #161

OK so you're talking about American child labor laws being bad because children can't work gollygee Sep 2014 #162

I'm not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse... shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #164

actually, the social safety net is failing our children redruddyred Sep 2014 #169

Sure... shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #170

and yet they make do somehow redruddyred Sep 2014 #172

I'd suggest listening to this episode of Dan Savage's show where he talks to sex workers... Hippo_Tron Sep 2014 #163

my sense of it is that it's willingness coupled with poor alternatives. redruddyred Sep 2014 #168

Ya know what? TDale313 Aug 2014 #36

IMO it's one of those politics can make strange allies treestar Aug 2014 #79

There is some truth to that. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #102

averagejoe, honestly, you gave us another example how you do not get womens issues. seabeyond Aug 2014 #81

"how you do not get womens issues." I actually do, thank you very much. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #100

if you feel the need, privilege, entitlement degrading women thru sexuality, then no, you do not seabeyond Aug 2014 #104

Degrading? Where have I degraded women? nt AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #105

by telling them how wrong they are about their experiences boston bean Aug 2014 #115

You need proof for these allegations. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #116

They are personal experiences that many women have. It's not just one woman or one black person boston bean Aug 2014 #117

As with other topics, you seem to come at this solely through your own narrow prism. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #145

But what about misandry? Glassunion Aug 2014 #6

My brother from a different mother... delete_bush Aug 2014 #50

Oh, this is going to be good! *runs into kitchen to make popcorn* n/t betsuni Aug 2014 #7

No it's not. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Aug 2014 #9

No Beavis mindwalker_i Aug 2014 #14

Uh huh huh...cool...uh huh huh...nt Jamaal510 Aug 2014 #28

.... mindwalker_i Aug 2014 #41

Your post is not amusing. chervilant Aug 2014 #33

What? I'm a huge fan of BainsBane and enjoy these threads betsuni Aug 2014 #43

I didn't take it badly because I have a sense of your broader posting history BainsBane Aug 2014 #46

Well, I don't get it. betsuni Aug 2014 #48

I think it has less to do with your response per se BainsBane Aug 2014 #49

I mean the same comment's replies, betsuni Aug 2014 #55

I don't understand the Beevis comments myself BainsBane Aug 2014 #57

By the way, betsuni Aug 2014 #78

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Thanks for the info. nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #13

Presumers of male privilege & power maximize their political/class power, minimize women's power. ancianita Aug 2014 #15

"commanding public space, public communication content and style" BainsBane Aug 2014 #47

Is your intent to shame people out of those views or take the teeth out of the term "misogyny"? lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #16

Someone asked for examples of misogyny BainsBane Aug 2014 #17

Can you provide a link to the request for examples? MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #54

No, there is no reason to BainsBane Aug 2014 #56

Then why did you feel compelled to bring it up? nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #58

Are we really at this level, Manny? BainsBane Aug 2014 #63

You're avoiding my question MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #119

She may not have answered your boston bean Aug 2014 #120

Why do you feel compelled to write any of your OP's? n/t pnwmom Aug 2014 #64

You either didn't read through the thread MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #118

Why ask that question, Manny? MineralMan Aug 2014 #134

Thank you mineral man JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #152

What has? ismnotwasm Aug 2014 #29

Turns out the shame rhetoric BainsBane Aug 2014 #66

was it andrea dworkin who insisted that anti-feminists were in fact misogynists? redruddyred Aug 2014 #24

Shaming tactics never work Harmony Blue Aug 2014 #30

Divisive? BainsBane Aug 2014 #39

You are projecting what your objectives are Harmony Blue Aug 2014 #143

Let's examine your efforts at "unifying" BainsBane Aug 2014 #45

.... davidpdx Aug 2014 #59

Who would possibly think that post should be hidden? NaturalHigh Sep 2014 #166

"inclusive instead of divisive"? alp227 Aug 2014 #103

Then there's slut shaming and acting like women are not as smart as men.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #31

Yes, good points. BainsBane Aug 2014 #42

BainsBane = Ignore List Enough already. eom Purveyor Aug 2014 #51

What? You mean someone with your fascination BainsBane Aug 2014 #53

With two responses using the word "shaming" BainsBane Aug 2014 #52

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Exactly BainsBane Aug 2014 #61

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #62

This is supposedly your second post BainsBane Aug 2014 #65

Julia Gillard's speech was one of the most awesome speech's I've ever seen in Parliament... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #67

Thanks for putting together this list. Laelth Aug 2014 #68

Excellent post! theHandpuppet Aug 2014 #69

Another take with melody seveneyes Aug 2014 #70

I think 95% of this list are excellent points. stevenleser Aug 2014 #72

No, that is not what she said. boston bean Aug 2014 #74

It's interesting you say "that's not what she said" and then hit right on the examples. stevenleser Aug 2014 #75

I know from reading your prior posting.. and put two and two together. boston bean Aug 2014 #77

What is interesting is that you do not read BainsBane Aug 2014 #86

I read it thoroughly and found those parts troubling from several standpoints. stevenleser Aug 2014 #97

You should try to see this from the other angle, Steve. boston bean Aug 2014 #99

Women who discuss the effects of pornography, prostitution and the sex trade upon women Rex Aug 2014 #107

All feminists agree on nothing BainsBane Aug 2014 #114

That's a very clear statement - well worded. nt el_bryanto Aug 2014 #76

Thanks for the mansplaining, steve BainsBane Aug 2014 #83

and actively uses the terms sex negative addressing a group of women on hof. seabeyond Aug 2014 #85

Thanks for the negative gender stereotyping Bains. stevenleser Aug 2014 #98

I don't identify as anything, and I didn't endorse yr list. I disagreed with the last bit... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #129

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I told you I did a quiz, and I said I identified as a bit of both... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #131

Great post - TBF Aug 2014 #73

You forgot to put the fact Calista241 Aug 2014 #82

wtf are you even talking about? seabeyond Aug 2014 #91

It's an attempt to minimize BainsBane Aug 2014 #92

it is factually stupid, also. seeing women are approaching at least 50% in usership, seabeyond Aug 2014 #93

Excellent post GeoWilliam750 Aug 2014 #101

Thank you BainsBane Aug 2014 #128

"Calling feminists prudes and Puritans" Kurska Aug 2014 #106

is the depiction of something like rape porn, that is ALWAYS non consensual in real life boston bean Aug 2014 #108

i understand that we must wrap it all up in a "pretty woman" little bow to make it easily seabeyond Aug 2014 #109

We're not talking about rape porn or even really porn. Kurska Aug 2014 #110

making judgment about women based on a perceived cultural boston bean Aug 2014 #111

No one is making a judgement based on a social stereotype Kurska Aug 2014 #121

people who call women sluts will tell you they are making boston bean Aug 2014 #123

The term slut is about judging a woman's personal sexual behaviors. Kurska Aug 2014 #125

and prude is not? boston bean Aug 2014 #126

Prude is a more troublesome term, I concede that. Kurska Aug 2014 #127

a person who is or claims to be easily shocked by matters relating to sex or nudity. seabeyond Aug 2014 #112

Television and movies frequently depict things that don't fly in real life Hippo_Tron Sep 2014 #171

The Internet has so much open, blatant misogyny that it can be overwhelming to process it all.. YoungDemCA Aug 2014 #113

Misgyny should be taken as seriously as racism is Wella Aug 2014 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author Courtesy Flush Aug 2014 #132

You got a link to someone call you a misogynist over your niece's death? boston bean Aug 2014 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author Courtesy Flush Aug 2014 #135

Oh, I thought Bainsbane said this to you. boston bean Aug 2014 #136

That comment was absolutely indefensible. NuclearDem Aug 2014 #137

Baines could not reply... seabeyond Aug 2014 #144

I know what you mean stupidicus Aug 2014 #138

didnt you state a child had the right, should be given the right to make the choice of prostitution seabeyond Aug 2014 #139

nothing remotely like that stupidicus Aug 2014 #140

well. you had your say here. i am not going to hunt the post down. nt seabeyond Aug 2014 #141

i found the post. people can decide themselves, though... seabeyond Aug 2014 #142

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Our society's efforts to promote relinquishment by unmarried pregnant women is misogynistic. StevieM Aug 2014 #146

This is an excellent list JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #153

Unfortunately it exists way more than people think (or want to believe) William769 Sep 2014 #165