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38. You waived your 4th & 5th rights when you said "I do" to a driver's license.

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 08:30 AM

Aug 2014

Driving may not be a right, but it is sure as hell is not a privilege; it is a deal I make with the state. California will let me drive on the condition that if I am ever pulled over under the suspicion of being impaired, I will provide self-incriminating evidence in the form of bodily fluids without a warrant. The breathalyzer is an "opt-out" of the blood draw, so this is just another example of the creeping police state pushing the envelope of original intent.

Most attorneys will recommend you refuse the breath test and opt for the blood draw because the breathalyzers are notoriously inaccurate and easily manipulated.

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TN Highway Patrol to conduct 'no refusal' enforcement Labor Day weekend [View all] steve2470 Aug 2014 OP

Remind me never to drive in Tennessee during Labor Day weekend Art_from_Ark Aug 2014 #1

It's just so extreme wow steve2470 Aug 2014 #2

It's the same here in NM Warpy Aug 2014 #4

I agree, I think at least one defendant is going to go all the way to the wall with this steve2470 Aug 2014 #6

this should be challenged by some brave individual--but librechik Aug 2014 #41

If only we could elect Constitutional Scholars to high office -then the 4th Amendment would be safe! villager Aug 2014 #51

They will forcibly draw blood in Florida madville Aug 2014 #68

Blood draws don't pose a huge risk Warpy Aug 2014 #3

They pose a risk if the needles aren't sterile Art_from_Ark Aug 2014 #7

Well, they're disposable Warpy Aug 2014 #50

All the same, Art_from_Ark Aug 2014 #71

Even a qualified nurse isn't good enough sometimes 4b5f940728b232b034e4 Aug 2014 #76

Not so sure about that Egnever Aug 2014 #63

Injection is a completely different animal from phlebotomy for blood draw Warpy Aug 2014 #67

Direct infringement of the Fourth Amendment IMO. bluesbassman Aug 2014 #5

If they are getting warrants, like the story said FrodosPet Aug 2014 #34

No one is more opposed to impaired driving than me, but I am skeptical about the constitutionality Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #8

They're taking the "Give us an inch, we'll take a mile" approach Art_from_Ark Aug 2014 #9

I guess. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #10

First it will be Labor Day weekend Art_from_Ark Aug 2014 #13

Actually, they do it on all holidays and/or long weekends. They usually do it under the guise of Ghost in the Machine Aug 2014 #16

Are we talking about invasive blood tests Art_from_Ark Aug 2014 #17

Blood tests.... and yes, in Tennessee... n/t Ghost in the Machine Aug 2014 #23

more from my second link: steve2470 Aug 2014 #11

How is this even constitutional? Iron Man Aug 2014 #12

Opinion recap: Limit on DUI blood testing FrodosPet Aug 2014 #26

They are calling in and getting a warrant Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #31

They do this all the time in my County and the next County over if you refuse a breathalyzer... Ghost in the Machine Aug 2014 #14

very glad your son and niece are ok, at least I hope so ! steve2470 Aug 2014 #15

Thank you, and yes they are fine now. I actually heard the call come over my scanner about Ghost in the Machine Aug 2014 #21

I was once stopped by a cop in Connecticut Art_from_Ark Aug 2014 #20

I hear you there, Art. I've driven that way myself before. Many times from East Tennessee to Ghost in the Machine Aug 2014 #22

Supreme Court has ruled forced blood draws to be OK if cops get a warrant rollin74 Aug 2014 #18

hm ok thanks for the info nt steve2470 Aug 2014 #19

If we don't put an end to the madness, someday they will Live and Learn Aug 2014 #24

What horseshit! nt RiffRandell Aug 2014 #25

They are supposed to get warrants first FrodosPet Aug 2014 #30

Had a case here where someone failed a field sobriety test, blew a 0.00% and the blood test showed hobbit709 Aug 2014 #36

I think violence to resist would be justified. NutmegYankee Aug 2014 #27

More Police State tactics. blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #28

We must demand our right to drive hammered! It's the libertarian thing to do! FrodosPet Aug 2014 #32

As long as they are getting warrants it's Constitutional Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #29

They do that here on holiday weekends. tammywammy Aug 2014 #33

More police state crap. hobbit709 Aug 2014 #35

Teapublican democray. The freedumb to be guilty until proven innocent. n/t wandy Aug 2014 #37

You waived your 4th & 5th rights when you said "I do" to a driver's license. MindPilot Aug 2014 #38

An attorney recommended the same advice to me mrdmk Aug 2014 #47

They do crap like this instead of funding mandatory Drivers' Ed in school. Lars39 Aug 2014 #39

What exactly is the probable cause this warrant is based upon? n/t hootinholler Aug 2014 #40

Swerving, speeding, or other signs of impaired driving FrodosPet Aug 2014 #43

A traffic stop for that, ok maybe... hootinholler Aug 2014 #44

Sadly, DUI checkpoints are constitutional FrodosPet Aug 2014 #46

Speeding and swerving are not signs of impaired driving. former9thward Aug 2014 #53

In Georgia, you can request the hospital that provides you Calista241 Aug 2014 #42

ACAB. Where are the so-called "good cops" when we need protection from Fascists? Taitertots Aug 2014 #45

Where I am at 'no refusal' is practiced all the time. former9thward Aug 2014 #48

yep i live here. if it's not illegal it sure as hell should be...what rights do we really have? spanone Aug 2014 #49

Just be glad you actually live in America Tsiyu Aug 2014 #52

You and me. reflection Aug 2014 #55

Lemme know when you're leaving. We'll start a convoy Tsiyu Aug 2014 #56

Oh man Egnever Aug 2014 #64

I bet Tsiyu Aug 2014 #65

Kid in a candy shop doesn't begin to describe it Egnever Aug 2014 #66

There are police flashlights with built-in BAC detectors. The light checks the pupil while scanning. TheBlackAdder Aug 2014 #54

They do this in Austin every holiday weekend. Texasgal Aug 2014 #57

Who does the actual blood tests there? nt RedCappedBandit Aug 2014 #58

I think someone said nurses nt steve2470 Aug 2014 #60

This has been law here since 2012 Go Vols Aug 2014 #59

I understand WHY the cops want forced blood tests.... steve2470 Aug 2014 #61

I don't endorse it at all, Go Vols Aug 2014 #62

Why not just waterboard a confession out of them or better yet JEB Aug 2014 #69

This is unconstitutional. Wella Aug 2014 #70

I support this. Get drunks off the road. Quantess Aug 2014 #72

For law-abiding citizens this is obviously not the least burdensome method to keep drunks off the tritsofme Aug 2014 #73

Okay, wow. I did not see the part about blood sample Quantess Aug 2014 #74

I'm surprised they don't test the blood for other drugs like canabis. NutmegYankee Aug 2014 #75

No, a refusal becomes a second charge and you also get an automatic obxhead Aug 2014 #77

apparently in TN they can steve2470 Aug 2014 #78

What would be the point? obxhead Aug 2014 #79

oh, I'd submit voluntarily to field sobriety tests steve2470 Aug 2014 #80

I don't agree with forced blood draws. obxhead Aug 2014 #81