Hillary Clinton Re: Michael Brown "We can't ignore the inequities that persist in our justice system

[wyldwolf]

80. no, I've not stepped in anything

Bill Clinton's methods of drumming up money were always criticized.

Challlenge 1: You list all the third way Dems who've had their fundraising methods criticized and I'll list non-third way Dems who've had their fundraising methods criticized. We'll see who had the biggest list.

There were also questions about his pardon choices because there were correlations between donations and the choices he made.

http://www.history.com/news/history-lists/7-famous-presidential-pardons
http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/wayoflife/01/05/mf.presidential.pardons/index.html
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/a/prez_pardons.htm

The ONLY people who thought Clinton's weren't 'business as usual' were right wingers.

I assume because he is an example of a Thirdway candidate we can use this example to demonstrate the problems. Even if he did nothing wrong as a president, he set a pattern that others would try to exploit.

Did you write that with a straight face? You're saying Clinton set the pattern for controversial pardons that the president would politically benefit from? How old are you?

For example, the links to family members of one of the parties to the local fiasco included one relative who told a prisoner that he could get him a pardon for a sum of money. I think that amount was $50,000. The FBI stopped that one, that's how the issue made it into the St. Pete Times. The guy claimed he had a family member who had connections.

Empty promises and hearsay. By the way, you DO have a link to that, right?

The other article involved an individual whose name was similar to another family member of this local party. This person didn't even live in Florida, but the governor of his state was Republican and the individual wrote a bitter letter because he felt he didn't get enough public money for a public works project he was granted. In the letter he wrote how he could get more from the Democrats with his campaign donations. The governor was so incensed that he had the letter published. That's how I came across it.

Political largesse is as old as politics itself. There is nothing in your above passage that specifically points to Third Way Dems or policies.

I know that there are others on DU who can do a far more competent job of giving you specifics of how Thirdway is not too particular about the people they are negotiating with.

Appeal to Authority? And trust me, I can give a very competent job of giving you specifics of how POLITICIANS not too particular about the people they are negotiating with. But so far you've not linked ANY of this to a Third Way Democrat or made any plausible connection to Third Way policies.

And as an aggrieved American, who was victimized by local shenanigans, I have to start wondering why the criminal justice authorities always decided to give a pass into looking into this issue when it could clean up a lot of problems we have in Central Florida. I keep coming down to one refrain: All politics is local.

Which STILL has nothing at all to do with the Third Way.

I wouldn't belittle the problems of one little measly homeowner when that homeowner can show how our private community was co-opted by the city government through our HOA board.

Which I haven't done. I've said the DLC was never concerned with such things.

It is something that should be a concern for everyone, especially when we see how campaign donors are expecting something in return for their campaign money. For example, what happens when something goes terribly wrong with the construction of infra-structure when the board members of the engineering firm includes politically connected individuals? Or, if the list of board members of the developing company includes an ex-city commissioner? Or if the local lawyers who are only too happy to offer their services to the clueless homeowners happen to hide a conflict of interest that ties them to the city?

Which STILL has nothing at all to do with the Third Way.

My community expose will reveal that HOA problems are very intricately connected to local political issues, especially in Florida where the real estate business is God. And since these people have been known to make a mess of the government process, it is a concern when we have politicians at a national level who are not too particular with who they negotiate on the ground.

Good. STILL has nothing at all to do with the Third Way.

You've written volumes on this but if you were trying to prosecute the Third Way in a lawsuite, it would never make it to the court room. There's simply no supportive evidence.