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stevenleser

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97. I read it thoroughly and found those parts troubling from several standpoints.

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 11:35 AM

Aug 2014

To define misogyny you used examples that feminists do not agree about and were absolutely not necessary to define misogyny.

Its like if in the 1960s, African American civil rights movement groups supporting either Dr. King or the Nation of Islam used in a definition of racism, viewpoints that are expressed by the other group with which they don't agree. And then, to make it worse you make the leap, if we are continuing to use the metaphor of the 1960's civil rights groups, that a white supporter of either group is a racist because they support the viewpoints of the other group.

In fact, I don't doubt that such things may have happened on a small scale in the 1960s, but I hope you can see how counterproductive they are.

Third wave feminist beliefs are not misogynist no matter whether men or women express them.

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What misogyny? [View all] BainsBane Aug 2014 OP

it is really depressing that we keep having to explain this over and over and. . . niyad Aug 2014 #1

On the plus side it's possible that a few more people catch on each time el_bryanto Aug 2014 #2

Right. Weren't you the one who posted the OP in HOF BainsBane Aug 2014 #3

If I did it was a long time ago - but it is certainly possible. el_bryanto Aug 2014 #5

No, that was Bjorn_Against KitSileya Aug 2014 #35

Okay, thanks BainsBane Aug 2014 #38

If only there were a way to explain it only once... Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #87

not like the whole of the net has not exploded on this issue. women demanding more.... seabeyond Aug 2014 #88

There's a thought! cyberswede Aug 2014 #96

Some truth here. With a few caveats, however. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #4

If they don't believe in male privilege than what is the point to their feminism? el_bryanto Aug 2014 #8

I think the issue there is the same with objecting to white privilege BainsBane Aug 2014 #11

Because you are the ultimate authority about women's rights and concerns. BainsBane Aug 2014 #10

Dude, free money. nt LeftyMom Aug 2014 #18

Erm....what, exactly? AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #21

Go check your replies from yesterday. The internet wants to make you an offer you can't refuse. nt LeftyMom Aug 2014 #22

Thread win. n/t JTFrog Aug 2014 #25

! cyberswede Aug 2014 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger Aug 2014 #44

That was my first thought, too XemaSab Aug 2014 #71

Cha-ching! n/t Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #84

wha??? i do not get it. i want in. someone link???? nt seabeyond Aug 2014 #89

A variant of the ALS ice bucket challenge Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #94

omg... lol lol. thank you gormy. nt seabeyond Aug 2014 #95

I just read that other thread BainsBane Aug 2014 #122

Why should a few feminists be called prudes? BainsBane Aug 2014 #19

No no no gollygee Aug 2014 #20

+1 treestar Aug 2014 #80

+1 n/t Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #90

*Checks watch* Right on time, AverageJoe Scootaloo Aug 2014 #23

To Be Honest JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #151

I'm left-winger, redruddyred Aug 2014 #26

I think the Nordic model has some upsides to it. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #27

what is that supposed to mean? redruddyred Aug 2014 #34

May I try to clarify a few things? AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #37

not from what I've read. redruddyred Aug 2014 #40

Probably best to ask the sex workers themselves shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #148

where do you think this is coming from? redruddyred Sep 2014 #149

Your post is probably one of the most misogynistic things I've read here... shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #150

and suggesting that prostitution is an acceptable profession redruddyred Sep 2014 #154

I'll tell you a story shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #155

yeah that's how ayn rand got her point across too. redruddyred Sep 2014 #156

It is a truth played out every day shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #157

do note that we no longer have child workers redruddyred Sep 2014 #167

Are you really bemoaning the end of child labor? gollygee Sep 2014 #158

The end of child labor? shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #159

OK so children's lives were made horrible by child labor laws because they couldn't work anymore gollygee Sep 2014 #160

Yes shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #161

OK so you're talking about American child labor laws being bad because children can't work gollygee Sep 2014 #162

I'm not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse... shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #164

actually, the social safety net is failing our children redruddyred Sep 2014 #169

Sure... shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #170

and yet they make do somehow redruddyred Sep 2014 #172

I'd suggest listening to this episode of Dan Savage's show where he talks to sex workers... Hippo_Tron Sep 2014 #163

my sense of it is that it's willingness coupled with poor alternatives. redruddyred Sep 2014 #168

Ya know what? TDale313 Aug 2014 #36

IMO it's one of those politics can make strange allies treestar Aug 2014 #79

There is some truth to that. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #102

averagejoe, honestly, you gave us another example how you do not get womens issues. seabeyond Aug 2014 #81

"how you do not get womens issues." I actually do, thank you very much. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #100

if you feel the need, privilege, entitlement degrading women thru sexuality, then no, you do not seabeyond Aug 2014 #104

Degrading? Where have I degraded women? nt AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #105

by telling them how wrong they are about their experiences boston bean Aug 2014 #115

You need proof for these allegations. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #116

They are personal experiences that many women have. It's not just one woman or one black person boston bean Aug 2014 #117

As with other topics, you seem to come at this solely through your own narrow prism. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #145

But what about misandry? Glassunion Aug 2014 #6

My brother from a different mother... delete_bush Aug 2014 #50

Oh, this is going to be good! *runs into kitchen to make popcorn* n/t betsuni Aug 2014 #7

No it's not. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Aug 2014 #9

No Beavis mindwalker_i Aug 2014 #14

Uh huh huh...cool...uh huh huh...nt Jamaal510 Aug 2014 #28

.... mindwalker_i Aug 2014 #41

Your post is not amusing. chervilant Aug 2014 #33

What? I'm a huge fan of BainsBane and enjoy these threads betsuni Aug 2014 #43

I didn't take it badly because I have a sense of your broader posting history BainsBane Aug 2014 #46

Well, I don't get it. betsuni Aug 2014 #48

I think it has less to do with your response per se BainsBane Aug 2014 #49

I mean the same comment's replies, betsuni Aug 2014 #55

I don't understand the Beevis comments myself BainsBane Aug 2014 #57

By the way, betsuni Aug 2014 #78

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Thanks for the info. nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #13

Presumers of male privilege & power maximize their political/class power, minimize women's power. ancianita Aug 2014 #15

"commanding public space, public communication content and style" BainsBane Aug 2014 #47

Is your intent to shame people out of those views or take the teeth out of the term "misogyny"? lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #16

Someone asked for examples of misogyny BainsBane Aug 2014 #17

Can you provide a link to the request for examples? MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #54

No, there is no reason to BainsBane Aug 2014 #56

Then why did you feel compelled to bring it up? nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #58

Are we really at this level, Manny? BainsBane Aug 2014 #63

You're avoiding my question MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #119

She may not have answered your boston bean Aug 2014 #120

Why do you feel compelled to write any of your OP's? n/t pnwmom Aug 2014 #64

You either didn't read through the thread MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #118

Why ask that question, Manny? MineralMan Aug 2014 #134

Thank you mineral man JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #152

What has? ismnotwasm Aug 2014 #29

Turns out the shame rhetoric BainsBane Aug 2014 #66

was it andrea dworkin who insisted that anti-feminists were in fact misogynists? redruddyred Aug 2014 #24

Shaming tactics never work Harmony Blue Aug 2014 #30

Divisive? BainsBane Aug 2014 #39

You are projecting what your objectives are Harmony Blue Aug 2014 #143

Let's examine your efforts at "unifying" BainsBane Aug 2014 #45

.... davidpdx Aug 2014 #59

Who would possibly think that post should be hidden? NaturalHigh Sep 2014 #166

"inclusive instead of divisive"? alp227 Aug 2014 #103

Then there's slut shaming and acting like women are not as smart as men.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #31

Yes, good points. BainsBane Aug 2014 #42

BainsBane = Ignore List Enough already. eom Purveyor Aug 2014 #51

What? You mean someone with your fascination BainsBane Aug 2014 #53

With two responses using the word "shaming" BainsBane Aug 2014 #52

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Exactly BainsBane Aug 2014 #61

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #62

This is supposedly your second post BainsBane Aug 2014 #65

Julia Gillard's speech was one of the most awesome speech's I've ever seen in Parliament... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #67

Thanks for putting together this list. Laelth Aug 2014 #68

Excellent post! theHandpuppet Aug 2014 #69

Another take with melody seveneyes Aug 2014 #70

I think 95% of this list are excellent points. stevenleser Aug 2014 #72

No, that is not what she said. boston bean Aug 2014 #74

It's interesting you say "that's not what she said" and then hit right on the examples. stevenleser Aug 2014 #75

I know from reading your prior posting.. and put two and two together. boston bean Aug 2014 #77

What is interesting is that you do not read BainsBane Aug 2014 #86

I read it thoroughly and found those parts troubling from several standpoints. stevenleser Aug 2014 #97

You should try to see this from the other angle, Steve. boston bean Aug 2014 #99

Women who discuss the effects of pornography, prostitution and the sex trade upon women Rex Aug 2014 #107

All feminists agree on nothing BainsBane Aug 2014 #114

That's a very clear statement - well worded. nt el_bryanto Aug 2014 #76

Thanks for the mansplaining, steve BainsBane Aug 2014 #83

and actively uses the terms sex negative addressing a group of women on hof. seabeyond Aug 2014 #85

Thanks for the negative gender stereotyping Bains. stevenleser Aug 2014 #98

I don't identify as anything, and I didn't endorse yr list. I disagreed with the last bit... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #129

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I told you I did a quiz, and I said I identified as a bit of both... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #131

Great post - TBF Aug 2014 #73

You forgot to put the fact Calista241 Aug 2014 #82

wtf are you even talking about? seabeyond Aug 2014 #91

It's an attempt to minimize BainsBane Aug 2014 #92

it is factually stupid, also. seeing women are approaching at least 50% in usership, seabeyond Aug 2014 #93

Excellent post GeoWilliam750 Aug 2014 #101

Thank you BainsBane Aug 2014 #128

"Calling feminists prudes and Puritans" Kurska Aug 2014 #106

is the depiction of something like rape porn, that is ALWAYS non consensual in real life boston bean Aug 2014 #108

i understand that we must wrap it all up in a "pretty woman" little bow to make it easily seabeyond Aug 2014 #109

We're not talking about rape porn or even really porn. Kurska Aug 2014 #110

making judgment about women based on a perceived cultural boston bean Aug 2014 #111

No one is making a judgement based on a social stereotype Kurska Aug 2014 #121

people who call women sluts will tell you they are making boston bean Aug 2014 #123

The term slut is about judging a woman's personal sexual behaviors. Kurska Aug 2014 #125

and prude is not? boston bean Aug 2014 #126

Prude is a more troublesome term, I concede that. Kurska Aug 2014 #127

a person who is or claims to be easily shocked by matters relating to sex or nudity. seabeyond Aug 2014 #112

Television and movies frequently depict things that don't fly in real life Hippo_Tron Sep 2014 #171

The Internet has so much open, blatant misogyny that it can be overwhelming to process it all.. YoungDemCA Aug 2014 #113

Misgyny should be taken as seriously as racism is Wella Aug 2014 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author Courtesy Flush Aug 2014 #132

You got a link to someone call you a misogynist over your niece's death? boston bean Aug 2014 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author Courtesy Flush Aug 2014 #135

Oh, I thought Bainsbane said this to you. boston bean Aug 2014 #136

That comment was absolutely indefensible. NuclearDem Aug 2014 #137

Baines could not reply... seabeyond Aug 2014 #144

I know what you mean stupidicus Aug 2014 #138

didnt you state a child had the right, should be given the right to make the choice of prostitution seabeyond Aug 2014 #139

nothing remotely like that stupidicus Aug 2014 #140

well. you had your say here. i am not going to hunt the post down. nt seabeyond Aug 2014 #141

i found the post. people can decide themselves, though... seabeyond Aug 2014 #142

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Our society's efforts to promote relinquishment by unmarried pregnant women is misogynistic. StevieM Aug 2014 #146

This is an excellent list JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #153

Unfortunately it exists way more than people think (or want to believe) William769 Sep 2014 #165