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65. Plan C

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 02:33 PM

Aug 2014

Drop the Brent price, worked in the 80-s

Putin's team is divided already, he keeps raising stakes at the expense of their capital and lifestyle, they will strongly encourage him to step back

Downside: lifting sanctions on Iran (hence a stronger Iran in the near future), concessions to selected OPEC members (no idea what those guys would ask for), environmental damage

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What should be done about Russia and Ukraine? [View all] edhopper Aug 2014 OP

Not Really Much Can Be Done, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #1

Economic sanctions and monetary punishment edhopper Aug 2014 #7

True, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #12

Not going to happen sir. Thank you however, for this post. 3rdwaydem Aug 2014 #130

Exactly right. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #98

I concur. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #106

I agree with The Magistrate, not much can be done. nt ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #2

France should cancel delivery of the 2 helicopter carriers, for a start muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #3

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Peacetrain Aug 2014 #5

Neither possible. France needs money, the EU needs fuel. Resource wars, as usual. freshwest Aug 2014 #30

Putin is a despicable SOB! Peacetrain Aug 2014 #4

The UN has no military. former9thward Aug 2014 #10

Even worse AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #26

Nothing is as good as it gets TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #6

1. Ratchet up the sanctions against Russia. Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #8

Ukraine should implement RF Foreign Minister Lavrov's proposal for VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #9

Angela Merkel proposed that same thing on her visit eridani Aug 2014 #33

That's what the Sudeten Germans claimed too. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #43

The fascists are in Kiev eridani Aug 2014 #53

There are fascists in every country, including Urkaine and Russia BillZBubb Aug 2014 #56

Nonsense--that has never been included in their demands eridani Aug 2014 #58

Because we can expect honesty and transparency from them? hack89 Aug 2014 #105

I always support people who are being attacked, not their attackers eridani Aug 2014 #110

So you support Russian imperialism? hack89 Aug 2014 #111

I support self-determination by the people of eastern Ukraine eridani Aug 2014 #113

So Russian troops in Ukraine don't bother you? nt hack89 Aug 2014 #114

White supremacists heading to Kiev from all over the world bother me much more eridani Aug 2014 #116

So it is all America's fault? hack89 Aug 2014 #117

America and Western Europe promised not to expand NATO after Gorbachev withdrew troops eridani Aug 2014 #123

NATO did not expand into Ukraine hack89 Aug 2014 #124

But they certainly intend to n/t eridani Aug 2014 #125

And that justifies a Russian invasion of Ukrainian territory? hack89 Aug 2014 #126

For the same reason we would assert a right to invade Mexico had it ever joined the Warsaw Pact n/t eridani Aug 2014 #129

There are facists edhopper Aug 2014 #57

There are plenty of fascists in Moscow if you go by the definition of fascism. pampango Aug 2014 #70

Cool, the rebranded 14 points of fascism MFrohike Aug 2014 #128

Please share your definition of fascism and how it does or does not apply pampango Aug 2014 #133

My try MFrohike Sep 2014 #137

Uh, that train has left the station... MattSh Aug 2014 #51

"Don't do stupid shit" Bragi Aug 2014 #11

Bravo! (Brava!). VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #13

No more military action! Vots Aug 2014 #14

What? BillZBubb Aug 2014 #19

Uh, what treaty? MattSh Aug 2014 #54

As I understand it, a treaty of the demarcation of borders was signed in 2010. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #60

So you wish the U.S. to cut ties Jenoch Aug 2014 #20

No. Vots Aug 2014 #135

+1. Next thing you know we'll be fighting the side we're supporting... grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #108

Explaining my take on the situation will open me up to considerable ridicule, but here goes! tech3149 Aug 2014 #15

I Would Agree With You In Part, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #21

I won't argue your points re: NATO there is much that I have not studied on the issue tech3149 Aug 2014 #31

Those Two Are Same Things, Sir, Just From Different Ends The Magistrate Aug 2014 #34

I agree with you....no ridicule here... KoKo Aug 2014 #63

Completely disagree "EU offered Ukraine nothing." joshcryer Aug 2014 #67

NATO has become an instrument of US world military hegemony. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #99

NATO members who would face invasion geek tragedy Aug 2014 #104

That post was a drink of refreshing water Union Scribe Aug 2014 #101

It would seem that Russia needs to be contained geek tragedy Aug 2014 #103

You've hit a nerve. I've wondered the same thing. Maybe we're supposed to be kept confused about ancianita Aug 2014 #16

Good questions all tech3149 Aug 2014 #25

Putin's "demographic unification" smacks of the annexaton of the Sudetenland. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #28

Thanks! ancianita Aug 2014 #41

I think Putin is trying to reestablish the borders of the old Soviet Union. Cleita Aug 2014 #17

Belarus Jenoch Aug 2014 #23

But isn't Belarus firmly on Putin's side? TheMightyFavog Aug 2014 #94

Bessarabia is my guess. LanternWaste Aug 2014 #24

Do you mean Transnistria, Jenoch Aug 2014 #109

Northern Kazakhstan meMeMEEEE Aug 2014 #49

At a minimum we need to ramp up economic sanctions mythology Aug 2014 #18

Does the US have the moral authority to intervene? panader0 Aug 2014 #22

Only through NATO requests, and as I've said before, Ukraine never made it into NATO. Other members freshwest Aug 2014 #61

Encourage a negotiated settlement. bemildred Aug 2014 #27

Unfortunately, Sir, I Doubt That Is Possible, Now, Or From The Start, For That Matter The Magistrate Aug 2014 #32

Nothing much to lose at this point, Sir. bemildred Aug 2014 #35

I Never Object To Negotiation, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #36

What one approves of was not the question. bemildred Aug 2014 #38

Fair Enough, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #39

I would be negotiating to keep it together, minus Crimea. bemildred Aug 2014 #42

That Would Be A Reasonable Settlement, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #46

He can take it now. nt bemildred Aug 2014 #48

I don't see how, at this point, a fair deal for Ukraine is possible. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #40

I will ignore your Hitler-Chamberlain analogy and just point out that things can still get worse. nt bemildred Aug 2014 #44

The analogy is apt and should not be ignored. The general situation is eerily similar. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #47

Bye. nt bemildred Aug 2014 #50

Why should we "encourage western values"? former9thward Aug 2014 #92

Mainly to encourage getting western money too. bemildred Aug 2014 #95

Speak softly and forget the stick. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #29

Send a sternly-worded letter. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #37

make a deal with China meMeMEEEE Aug 2014 #45

As much as I appreciate the devious nature of your suggestion, BillZBubb Aug 2014 #52

Plan B meMeMEEEE Aug 2014 #59

Putin would probably say "Keep her!" BillZBubb Aug 2014 #62

Plan C meMeMEEEE Aug 2014 #65

it is about continuing the unipolar moment: if we remove Russia from Crimea and the West controls yurbud Aug 2014 #55

Russia wants war, clearly Laughing Mirror Aug 2014 #64

Nice map. How does that apply to Russia's unprovoked war of aggression against Ukraine again? nt stevenleser Aug 2014 #71

Russia's unprovoked war of aggression Laughing Mirror Aug 2014 #96

you're clueless meMeMEEEE Aug 2014 #88

Yes I'm clueless Laughing Mirror Aug 2014 #97

The Ukraine is not part of NATO fadedrose Aug 2014 #66

Obama should nominate George W. Bush as special ambassador to Putin. GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #68

+1. nt bemildred Aug 2014 #69

Absolutely! But no cocktails for Bush leftstreet Aug 2014 #75

You can almost hear Putin's thoughts.... Xolodno Aug 2014 #83

US out of Ukraine. TBF Aug 2014 #72

Nope, we need NATO into Ukraine. Army, Air and Naval bases, immediately. nt stevenleser Aug 2014 #74

Then everyone can watch their portfolios as TBF Aug 2014 #76

So according to you, Russia is allowed to engage in unprovoked wars of aggression stevenleser Aug 2014 #77

That is not the way I'd characterize the situation - TBF Aug 2014 #79

You're the one rubber stamping an unprovoked war of aggression stevenleser Aug 2014 #81

Nope - I am the one arguing that if we stay out TBF Aug 2014 #84

Translation: You are rubber stamping Russia's imperialistic unprovoked war of aggression stevenleser Aug 2014 #86

Again you are dead wrong - TBF Aug 2014 #87

you do realize that would result in an actual real war in eastern europe? Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #100

No it wouldn't. Putin and the Oligarchs have no intention of dying. They enjoy their lives too much stevenleser Aug 2014 #115

and you are certain of that, despite the risk of millions dead? Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #118

Just as Putin was certain we wouldnt attack his troops that invaded. Yes, certain. nt stevenleser Aug 2014 #120

The equivalency is not there. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #136

Horrible idea and it won't happen. morningfog Aug 2014 #121

It's "Ukraine" not "the Ukraine" Hippo_Tron Aug 2014 #73

Thank you Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #82

fixed edhopper Aug 2014 #90

Well, if we applied our standards evenly... Scootaloo Aug 2014 #78

Ouch leftstreet Aug 2014 #80

Yup. nt TBF Aug 2014 #85

Oh SNAP! n/t eridani Aug 2014 #93

Ukraine is stuck between a rock and hard place. Xolodno Aug 2014 #89

noooope meMeMEEEE Aug 2014 #91

NATO membership and troops for whatever part Russia geek tragedy Aug 2014 #102

I heard Russia increased social security 300% over the past few years. Perhaps Ukraine could do the grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #107

Nada. Unless we want to start World War 3 over it. roamer65 Aug 2014 #112

You mean there is something else going on in the world besides misogyny RiffRandell Aug 2014 #119

I am not for military aid BainsBane Aug 2014 #122

nato should more military into important ukrainian towns and the samsingh Aug 2014 #127

Stay out of it. cheapdate Aug 2014 #131

You have to answer this question before you can answer that question The Traveler Aug 2014 #132

Ignore the world. It will go away. Let's join the tea party; withdraw from the UN and international pampango Aug 2014 #134