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In reply to the discussion: What misogyny? [View all]BainsBane
(57,751 posts)No entirely of any group agrees on anything. To insist speech must be uniformly agreed upon to be permissible is to work to delegitimize speech. It is a common and transparent excuse used to silence women's speech that men find threatening or inconvenient. The argument is entirely self-serving, as is your claim you are speaking on behalf of Third Wave feminists. You know that Violet says she agrees with the list, but that doesn't stop you from chastizing me because I dare express ideas that don't serve your interests. You know I said "some feminists." You know I didn't claim to speak for all feminists. What you object to is that I hold ideas that don't meet your approval.
To use your analogy, you go run into the African American forum and tell them they can't post about issues that concern them because not all blacks agree. The difference is most people know that would incredibly offensive. Yet you feel entitled to position yourself as the arbiter of feminism and insist my speech as unacceptable. That is all about male entitlement. Feminism is first and foremost a women's movement. Feminists come from many different schools and hold many different opinions, yet the only people who insist speech that "everyone doesn't agree on" should be silenced are anti-feminists. Moreover, the argument is vapid since no one agrees on anything. It is entirely without logic.
There are many approaches to feminism, and all contribute something. I never called a third wave feminists misogynists. I never said they weren't feminists. I do not believe I have ever once told another woman she wasn't a feminist. I have never once insisted she didn't have a right to express her ideas. I have disagreed, as people do, as is my right and their right.
The points about above are not about other women but men, about situations precisely such as this, where someone like you displays his impenetrable sense of entitlement in announcing what is and isn't acceptable feminist speech. You have NO right to command what women may say and do. Feminists are not put on this planet to cater to you, and your determination to delegitimate my speech because you don't like my views is unacceptable.
You have stepped well over the line. I resent your cynical use of the mantle of feminism to seek to silence speech you disagree with. I will not again discuss this issue with you because I do not accept your unyielding determination to exert control over public discourse on feminism and my right to speech.