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6. Yes, I am all for a velvet revolution, but there are serious problems.

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 09:28 PM

Aug 2014

1) You cannot have one for only one race, that is very divisive. It has to have to involve most of the population.

2) It can come from different populist groups (T-party was a start on the right, as well as the gun nut militias). I have yet to see an equal enthusiasm from the left. The words: "watch what you wish for" come to mind.

3) Successful revolutions were never started from the bottom, rather from an intellectual elite that had the knack to turn populist.

4) I know of no supervision by any state as the NSA, even though it seems to screw up now and then.

5) Weapons alone could not stop it, but intense propaganda installing fear and appealing to the lowest human instincts can. And this is what he have now.

Yes, again I am hoping for one relatively peaceful one, but don't see it coming in my lifetime.

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Revolution anyone? This is for those among us that think we can always fall back on revolution. [View all] rhett o rick Aug 2014 OP

When a stable system is broken TexasProgresive Aug 2014 #1

UNREC brooklynite Aug 2014 #2

Is your "unrec" a knee jerk response? "The notion, much less the hope, of a revolution is stupid." rhett o rick Aug 2014 #14

The other part of your commentary brooklynite Aug 2014 #20

Nah, not an "...organized plot". Just the laws of capitalism at work..... socialist_n_TN Aug 2014 #25

State and local police have already been militarized. And there's the National Guard and only God merrily Aug 2014 #28

You were basically under martial law during the search for Tsarnaev Lurks Often Aug 2014 #35

Yes and no. I did break off from "sheltering in place" to go out and buy lunch. merrily Aug 2014 #47

We are already there marions ghost Aug 2014 #33

Those that deny conspiracies do so because they can't handle it. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #65

Because you think I am "insinuating" conspiracy, therefore, none of what I say can be rhett o rick Aug 2014 #34

Except for the $2/hour part, ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #58

Fall back on revolution? LiberalAndProud Aug 2014 #3

I would love to hear what will happen when this revolution you are referring to comes. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #16

I don't pretend to prophesy. LiberalAndProud Aug 2014 #19

I guess I stumbled trying to make my points. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #32

While I agree with much of what you say, LiberalAndProud Aug 2014 #62

I am not saying that the police are knowingly acting on behalf of the Aristocracy. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #76

Revolution in America would look like Bad Leroy Brown pscot Aug 2014 #4

That's why you've got to arm yourselves, people... derby378 Aug 2014 #5

No, this is not how Ghandi succeeded. n/t sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #7

Gandhi succeed in getting Indian overseers and that is about it. TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #12

Not true marions ghost Aug 2014 #42

Sounds nice but the actual people are sleeping under sewing machines after 16 hour shifts and TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #69

Gandhi couldn't live forever marions ghost Aug 2014 #74

It isn't an issue of immortality. It was little different at the moment. It just didn't work and TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #86

You have a false assumption about Gandhi marions ghost Sep 2014 #107

What is this false assumption? You refuse to admit that the tactics are not always workable. TheKentuckian Sep 2014 #111

Maybe you could ratchet down? marions ghost Sep 2014 #118

Oh please. former9thward Aug 2014 #23

Post hoc ergo prompter hoc. LanternWaste Sep 2014 #113

India is not Singapore or Hong Kong. former9thward Sep 2014 #115

This is a very different time and a very different scenario. merrily Aug 2014 #26

Yes it is but marions ghost Aug 2014 #37

Just as an aside, Ghandi acknowledged that his ideas came from Thoreau's Civil Disobedience. merrily Aug 2014 #38

You apply it differently of course marions ghost Aug 2014 #75

That is all I am saying. merrily Aug 2014 #77

Right they have stacked the deck marions ghost Aug 2014 #78

AGREE! Great post. merrily Aug 2014 #79

thanks marions ghost Aug 2014 #91

You're welcome. merrily Sep 2014 #96

"Lose the naivete." I think a lot of the so-called "naivete" is just plain denial or cowardice. nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #99

Food for thought. merrily Sep 2014 #109

I absolutely agree. But to be in denial and then to argue like you are aware is crazy. nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #117

Ghandi succeeded because the British administrators in India Lurks Often Aug 2014 #40

what happened to ghandi again? i forget.... Adam051188 Sep 2014 #101

If you believe you must own guns in order to fight the US government... Electric Monk Aug 2014 #73

Those that fantisize that owning guns will protect them from a tyrannical government rhett o rick Aug 2014 #81

Yes, I am all for a velvet revolution, but there are serious problems. sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #6

Mother nature will beat us to it. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #8

Unfortunately I think you are correct. sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #10

And why we both have Warren siglines. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #11

You are soo right, sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #13

What the Aristocracy will do? Will do........... wandy Aug 2014 #9

I don't understand your calling it science fiction. Please explain. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #15

Gallows humor. wandy Aug 2014 #22

Two more chapters you can add........... wandy Aug 2014 #27

Yes, well put. I tried to explain my point better in post 32 rhett o rick Aug 2014 #41

We can always fall back on kindness bhikkhu Aug 2014 #17

In the short term, yes. merrily Aug 2014 #30

Every damn decade I hear about "The Coming Revolution..." Archae Aug 2014 #18

Godwin's Law, eh? PlanetaryOrbit Aug 2014 #21

Who cares? Who the fuck is Godwin, that he should determine what is okay for anyone to say merrily Aug 2014 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Aug 2014 #24

If it is simply an idea whose time has come, how is it a revolution at all? merrily Aug 2014 #43

Most people, even educated people, don't really understand the.... socialist_n_TN Aug 2014 #29

I don't see a socialist revolution in our future. In fact I don't see a "revolution" rhett o rick Aug 2014 #36

General strike and boycott. A massive organized economic attack is Zorra Aug 2014 #39

I agree with a lot of that. It may take longer than a week, though. merrily Aug 2014 #44

A week is just a demonstration of our power. Then we offer to negotiations. Zorra Aug 2014 #46

I thought were not supposed to negotiate with terrorists? merrily Aug 2014 #48

"There are many causes that I am prepared to die for Zorra Aug 2014 #51

Very nice. Yes, I often think of buying a bullet proof vest, but never of buying a gun. merrily Aug 2014 #67

Why not run for office and persuade people to vote for you? Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #45

Because the oligarchs have all manner of means to prevent that from happening. Zorra Aug 2014 #49

I guess the Oligarchs met and decided they didn't want Mitt Romney. Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #50

No, they simply didn't care if Obama or Romney was President. Zorra Aug 2014 #54

Surely the Oligarchs would have preferred Romney to Obama, though? Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #55

Probably, but maintaining the illusion of democracy is far more important to them than Zorra Aug 2014 #61

I agree with this post and your above posts. Well put. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #68

Agreed. What the Aristocracy is doing is consolidating power in all areas, with the Zorra Aug 2014 #70

I agree that it's most likely not possible to run a candidate in the general that isn't rhett o rick Aug 2014 #72

So if you are making me guess your point then here goes: If you are saying that rhett o rick Aug 2014 #64

Agree marions ghost Aug 2014 #66

Usually the "revolution" people tend to be gun-humpers who dream of being able to finally shoot chrisa Aug 2014 #52

You left a word out XemaSab Aug 2014 #53

Actually, I've never seen someone advocate overthrowing the government who wasn't a dumb, rifle chrisa Aug 2014 #56

You misunderstood me XemaSab Aug 2014 #57

Yup I did, and agreed chrisa Aug 2014 #59

Most people sit on 840high Aug 2014 #60

We are in the midst of a revolution right now. Jesus Malverde Aug 2014 #63

John F. Kennedy's words are as true now as the day he spoke them. hifiguy Aug 2014 #71

No revolution; no violence; but when they come for them, "Will you stand up for them?" merrily Aug 2014 #80

Of course "they" have already started "coming", and they've been "coming" for the minority rhett o rick Aug 2014 #82

Very good point about police and I think that starts with Governors (state police) as merrily Aug 2014 #85

Rebellion is all that is left for us. Octafish Aug 2014 #83

Yes rebellion but not violent revolution. And for a rebellion to work we must get the rhett o rick Aug 2014 #87

Power Is Liquid. No entity is invincible johnlucas Aug 2014 #84

Something happens in this society marions ghost Aug 2014 #88

That's why I said that's the trick. johnlucas Sep 2014 #97

Nonsense post BlindTiresias Aug 2014 #89

Yeah marions ghost Aug 2014 #90

Nonsense you say? Power IS Liquid johnlucas Sep 2014 #103

Well, for starters BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #104

Not necessarily johnlucas Sep 2014 #105

Have you ever tried to start a business? marions ghost Sep 2014 #106

Not yet but I am aiming in this direction when I do johnlucas Sep 2014 #108

I admire your confidence marions ghost Sep 2014 #110

Delusional. There are no such available resources and there is no actual capitalism TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #92

No BlindTiresias Aug 2014 #94

If the Business Class runs the society, then how do you suppose that society changes? johnlucas Sep 2014 #100

We don't have the resources or the power the deck is way beyond stacked. TheKentuckian Sep 2014 #112

You're looking at the current state. I'm looking at the future state johnlucas Sep 2014 #116

I mean BlindTiresias Aug 2014 #93

Well said marions ghost Sep 2014 #95

Has Spontaneous Revolution Ever Broken Out? daredtowork Sep 2014 #98

a revolution needs a positive objective. more than one is good. Adam051188 Sep 2014 #102

I have been a saboteur in enemy territory my whole life Generic Other Sep 2014 #114