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TreasonousBastard

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17. Too bad nobody reads the NY Times any more...
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 09:55 AM
Apr 2012

since they've covered the goings-on in Iceland.

But, please note that Iceland and Greece are two entirely different places with entirely different problems-- about the only things they have in common are mountains and volcanoes.

Iceland, with it's tiny, but prosperous, population of 320,000, ran into trouble because they managed to invest in failed banks. It's economy is maybe 40% fishing, but that, and some mineral exports, supplies its small population with a pretty good income, and the per capita GDP is down, but still mid 30K.

Greece, otoh, has 10 million or so (with the population declining for years as people leave) a per capita GDP in the mid 20s (with far more economic inequality) and not much besides shipping an olives making any money. And they couldn't "just say no" like Iceland did because they were part of the European Union and that would have had serious consequences.

Greece's problems came from its own lack of accountability and flat-out fraud. Its economy was trailing even before the worldwide depression with little attempt to build new industry, governments stayed in office by giving big gifts to the rich and little gifts (like early retirement) to everyone else, small businesses required years to start with enormous amounts of red tape and bribery, and nobody was properly taxed. On top of all this, the governments lied to keep borrowing-- a governmental Ponzi scheme. Blame the banks for being stupid enough to lend to them, but not for asking to be repaid.



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Real Democracy at work. hobbit709 Apr 2012 #1
Yep lovuian Apr 2012 #2
It worked. obxhead Apr 2012 #3
+1 leeroysphitz Apr 2012 #10
Love it. K & R eom TransitJohn Apr 2012 #4
Is there a way to sticky this??? Zalatix Apr 2012 #5
Because it doesn't edhopper Apr 2012 #6
American corpora-politics just isn't evolved like that. HughBeaumont Apr 2012 #7
Also we don't have the rapid change from a parliamentary system. They game between elections. freshwest Apr 2012 #37
the very last thing the corporate controlled news will ever talk about is... Javaman Apr 2012 #8
Your answer is in your title -- because they got it right. And because "right" means that the Nay Apr 2012 #9
I know :o) Pharaoh Apr 2012 #12
"to extricate itself from its rich-people problem" woo me with science Apr 2012 #40
Two reasons: hifiguy Apr 2012 #11
Because Americans might figure it out. mmonk Apr 2012 #13
You really want to know why? Or is this just ideological storytime? mathematic Apr 2012 #14
Your arguments are valid and ultimately point to the fact that democracy BridgeTheGap Apr 2012 #18
"Storytime" - interesting choice of words considering your post's basis in reality... ExPatLeftist Apr 2012 #23
Stockton??? A greater impact??? mojowork_n Apr 2012 #33
But, but, but, Typical NYC Lib Apr 2012 #15
Much as I admire them, they had it easy, being the first saras Apr 2012 #16
Too bad nobody reads the NY Times any more... TreasonousBastard Apr 2012 #17
Greece's actual problem is that traded away its currency sovereignty. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #32
Iceland never joined the Euro. Nye Bevan Apr 2012 #19
Exactly and.. Puzzledtraveller Apr 2012 #20
From an expat living in Iceland for 16 years (and an Icelandic citizen) this is mostly inaccurate. ExPatLeftist Apr 2012 #21
Awesome response, thank you Puzzledtraveller Apr 2012 #24
Thank you very much, Puzzledtraveller. :) n/t ExPatLeftist Apr 2012 #27
thank you so much for your perspective librechik Apr 2012 #28
Thank you :) ExPatLeftist Apr 2012 #29
More on "more cronyism and smoke and mirrors" mojowork_n Apr 2012 #34
Thanks for writing this, this is the very first thing I saw this morning and was Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #31
Thanks very much. This is ballyhooed a lot in teabagger and CT circles. freshwest Apr 2012 #38
Thanks for your posts on this topic. Scuba Apr 2012 #44
exactly! the banks everywhere have been ripping off the people for years--why should we pay librechik Apr 2012 #22
Please I beg you do not use Iceland as a role model in this case. ExPatLeftist Apr 2012 #26
This is one case of letting the market sort it out that actually does work. Gregorian Apr 2012 #25
the threat of a good example HiPointDem Apr 2012 #30
Over the last decade or so, many countries in Latin America.... bvar22 Apr 2012 #35
Yes, after much suffering under IMF rules, Argentina defaulted on its debt Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #48
Humbly submit that Iceland has a Population of 320,000 SadPanda Apr 2012 #36
Not many people would ever travel to Iceland? I beg to differ! Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #47
kicked. shcrane71 Apr 2012 #39
DU Rec. nt woo me with science Apr 2012 #41
Amazing! nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #42
PLEASE READ POST #21 BEFORE RECCING ExPatLeftist Apr 2012 #43
We have a One Percent Media! Mosaic Apr 2012 #45
I'm arguing with someone that this is a socialist answer Lawlbringer Apr 2012 #46
Why do you think it is socialist? Quantess Apr 2012 #49
Well... Lawlbringer Apr 2012 #52
Letting you know. westerebus May 2012 #53
Excellent. Lawlbringer May 2012 #54
You're welcome. n/t westerebus May 2012 #55
Because they did what every other country should have done, start arresting those responsible sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #50
I wish they had started arresting them.... n/t ExPatLeftist Apr 2012 #51
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