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Veilex

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59. Here's what I see...

Sat Aug 30, 2014, 05:01 PM

Aug 2014

Honestly, I see no one committing actions that warrant additional language. Adding language specific to an issue often results after a flare up of specific problems... much in the way a corporation changes policies and contracts reactively... so too do websites such as DU react to problem areas in a more enumerated fashion.

Sexism is a relatively minor issue on this site... in part because of the sizable community of Feminists and supporters... so additional language is largely unnecessary.

I tend to see very little genuine sexism on this site... once in a while it pops up...usually just before being brutally smashed to bits. Occasionally, I see comments that might be innocent (I tend to try to give people the benefit of the doubt), get taken out of context or misconstrued as being sexist... I see that more than actual sexism on this site.

I cant speak to racism, except to say I've not seen any.

This is not to say these issues don't exist on DU... but I honestly feel they're far less than presumed.

Regardless, if you truly think there needs to be added language to the TOS, you can always ask the Administrators to add clarifying language: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1259
They might say no, though... then again, they may decide it was an oversight.
Only one way to find out.

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It's shameful and embarrassing that misogyny continues to be an issue on the Internet [View all] YoungDemCA Aug 2014 OP

Abso-fuckin'-lutely!!! TDale313 Aug 2014 #1

I think we're a bit behind. ismnotwasm Aug 2014 #2

True. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #3

+1 hifiguy Aug 2014 #55

This = Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #60

how do you suggest the admins deal with it? backwoodsbob Aug 2014 #171

Just adding a couple of words to the TOS would make a difference in how the problem is approached. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #119

Okay. Iron Man Aug 2014 #4

If you have to ask, you don't get it justiceischeap Aug 2014 #5

This website, regardless what some say, isn't an MRA haven. Iron Man Aug 2014 #6

There are those who would disagree with you... Veilex Aug 2014 #14

+1 Niceguy1 Aug 2014 #174

are you aware, we had a man tell us, the conversation in a thread about womens voice... seabeyond Aug 2014 #25

I thought I mended fences last night. Iron Man Aug 2014 #26

ah. see. you said you were not informed. that you wanted to be informed. seabeyond Aug 2014 #31

This thread, and your response, proves my point. Iron Man Aug 2014 #32

we agree on that one. for sure. nt seabeyond Aug 2014 #33

You're relatively new here. chervilant Aug 2014 #131

You take issue with what? Iron Man Aug 2014 #133

You'll be waiting a while Veilex Aug 2014 #177

That's because it's non-existent. Iron Man Aug 2014 #178

Exactly... Veilex Aug 2014 #180

It was YOUR comment chervilant Aug 2014 #179

Who is this "some," specifically? cyberswede Aug 2014 #134

Read this thread. Iron Man Aug 2014 #135

My turn for what? cyberswede Aug 2014 #136

Not ouright. Iron Man Aug 2014 #137

This place is great, but it's not perfect. cyberswede Aug 2014 #139

You're right. Iron Man Aug 2014 #140

Well, one way to avoid a lot of that is to eschew posts on gender issues. cyberswede Aug 2014 #141

and in its imperfection, feminists are going to call it out. each and every one. that is what seabeyond Aug 2014 #149

you're really not so iron are you? Skittles Aug 2014 #8

It's this months Outrage. Katashi_itto Aug 2014 #38

Or Is It Tedium? (eom) ProfessorGAC Aug 2014 #52

Agree, it's more like tedium. I really have no issues with what their saying. It's simply as if Katashi_itto Aug 2014 #58

speaking of time ... you are right on it. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #63

Thank you. Nope its an avulsion fracture or Dancer's Fracture. Its the same sort of injury Katashi_itto Aug 2014 #90

my poor feet. I took ballet for many years. my feet took the toll then and now seems my hips Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #98

I just had my hip replaced back in Dec 2013. It was the result of a car accident Katashi_itto Aug 2014 #138

ah ... yeah ... they are not that bad, thank goodness. but, I can tell they do not Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #142

Thats cool thank goodness! Katashi_itto Aug 2014 #146

If only you weren't forced to comment on threads that don't sufrommich Aug 2014 #73

Someone has a sad. Katashi_itto Aug 2014 #85

if you find it so tedious why are you in this thread? Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #61

There's been plenty of childish alert-stalking both ways. Marr Aug 2014 #75

I do not alert so I know you can not be talking to me. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #79

Did I say anything about you? Marr Aug 2014 #80

You replied to me about alerts. I can only control my own actions/non-actions. If you have an Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #82

Because you suggested the alert-stalking was somehow one-sided, Marr Aug 2014 #97

I spoke only to specifics that I myself am aware of ... mainly my own experience and gave Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #101

I don't know how to say this any more simply. Marr Aug 2014 #103

are you calling me a Liar? Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #104

Your characterization of my words was woefully inaccurate. Marr Aug 2014 #106

you don't have to pay me anything. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #107

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #155

Welcome back to DU. Enjoy your stay. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #169

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #176

Again, this is not one of your closed groups. I will post where I decide to. Katashi_itto Aug 2014 #91

I asked a question of Professor GAC and now two people other than him have replied to me Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #92

Ok that was weird. I agree. It was reading from you till I refreshed it. Katashi_itto Aug 2014 #94

good to know. Sorry to hear about the fractured toe. hope it heals quickly. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #96

It will went to the VA hospital and they said it's a clean break. Katashi_itto Aug 2014 #100

I'm Here Because I Felt Like It ProfessorGAC Aug 2014 #143

I asked you a straight up question. How you detect derision from that I will never know. - Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #161

hey. on that, and excellent post. i would love to never reply to some people, that arent interested seabeyond Aug 2014 #166

I may not remember, seabeyond. And Actually this is not good. What is being done here is Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #168

it is like a meme went out. if they put forth an argument, say they are rude, and you will not talk seabeyond Aug 2014 #170

The way the tables are turned is amazing. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #175

I Gave You A Straight Answer ProfessorGAC Sep 2014 #198

You are right. You have the privilege to come in any thread you want Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #199

Then We Agree To Disagree ProfessorGAC Sep 2014 #200

BTW ProfessorGAC Sep 2014 #201

I never said you were anything. Also, Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #202

The presence of multiple threads , by multiple posters should give an indication ... etherealtruth Aug 2014 #76

"Getting it" isn't the point Cal Carpenter Aug 2014 #191

Absolutely right. Kath1 Aug 2014 #7

excellent post young. lets start a campaign to jump on the hot net issue around the world, seabeyond Aug 2014 #9

It's not an issue except among those who make it an issue Cleita Aug 2014 #10

+1 TransitJohn Aug 2014 #11

Are you fucking kidding me? cyberswede Aug 2014 #13

Oh, Cleita thinks that sexual harassment is all in women's heads. KitSileya Aug 2014 #16

Holy shit. nt cyberswede Aug 2014 #17

That's about the only proper reaction, yes. KitSileya Aug 2014 #18

I do think Misogyny is present... but I still dont think its as servere as has been claimed... Veilex Aug 2014 #23

But not a bannable offense, or even worth a hide, as you can see. KitSileya Aug 2014 #35

I don't really feel that's fair to Skinner... Veilex Aug 2014 #42

Sexism is not a tos offense. KitSileya Aug 2014 #45

"Sexism is not a tos offense" Indeed it is... Veilex Aug 2014 #48

It covers it very perfunctorily. KitSileya Aug 2014 #50

Here's what I see... Veilex Aug 2014 #59

every once in a while you see it. how much is directed at you, how often are you in the right place? seabeyond Aug 2014 #151

hence, the issue. i have read consistently sexism is not part of tos, regardless your interpretation seabeyond Aug 2014 #51

Juries don't enforce the TOS, admins do. tammywammy Aug 2014 #83

It's that "I'm tougher than you and can handle it" stance treestar Aug 2014 #22

She admits that she had to fight misogyny when she was younger. KitSileya Aug 2014 #37

Thank you for putting that all together. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #27

I have never posted something like that before. KitSileya Aug 2014 #36

I understand, KitSileya. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #39

Wow JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #30

There is a middle ground. randome Aug 2014 #47

In this case, there is no middle ground. KitSileya Aug 2014 #49

Assault, of course. randome Aug 2014 #54

I suggest to you that it is the other side playing the role of the victim in all this. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #64

I agree, victimhood comes also from those who whine about others' objections. randome Aug 2014 #67

do you care to comment on my question or not? Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #69

For stupid remarks made by morons, that is what I would advise. randome Aug 2014 #74

that is your reply to POC and LGBT about seeking middle ground? ok. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #77

It depends on the situation. randome Aug 2014 #81

Good to know you are selective in your approach to equality. I am quite sure that gives POC and LGBT Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #86

Sometimes mockery is more effective. randome Aug 2014 #84

I am done here. Peace. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #88

Mockery and quiet contempt have their place. However, they're not a one-size-fits-all solution. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #123

Agree. I wish more of that would occur. randome Aug 2014 #144

Deborah Tannen's work on gendered communication styles is instructive. Laelth Aug 2014 #150

i dunno. about every one of my hides has been calling it out. not the one making it, me calling it seabeyond Aug 2014 #153

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #70

Second post, and it's misogynistic? KitSileya Aug 2014 #72

It is awsome that you've risen above it... however... Veilex Aug 2014 #15

Thank you. My point exactly. Cleita Aug 2014 #20

the small vocals is not so small. as a matter of fact, it is the vast majority. if you actually pay seabeyond Aug 2014 #43

But they feel free to pile on you like sharks on a wounded seal. alphafemale Aug 2014 #56

If you as tough as you say you are in the face of verbal/online abuse by men MadrasT Aug 2014 #152

interesting point. i love your eyes. they so often see from a different angle. seabeyond Aug 2014 #154

I was referring to the pile on of Cleita. Did I once use the personal pronoun "I" in that statement alphafemale Aug 2014 #163

wait. you do not believe in defending others. that is your point. but, you do for clieta. seabeyond Aug 2014 #183

DU is better than most places Warpy Aug 2014 #12

DU's pretty good... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #19

There are quite a few of us who'd appreciate this... Veilex Aug 2014 #24

and just ignore when they tell a feminist to just get laid, to shut her up, of course. really? seabeyond Aug 2014 #44

question for you = Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #93

my only response would be fuck you. i would have to decide if i could take the hide. seabeyond Aug 2014 #95

"With anyone but you, loser."? randome Aug 2014 #99

fail. sorry, but Just fail on the basic premise. I choose when and where and who and how. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #102

Huh? Most men at DU don't do that... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #105

you are right violet, most men do not. nor did i say or imply most men did. isnt ONE too many? seabeyond Aug 2014 #108

So, you weren't actually addressing anything I said in my post? Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #110

nobody has suggested most men are a problem, nor is anyone treating most men poorly. seabeyond Aug 2014 #111

And yr still insisting on not addressing anything I said in my post... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #113

There is so much common ground on so many issues hifiguy Aug 2014 #57

635 views of the OP, 21 recs. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #34

Misogyny is still a huge issue in our whole culture. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2014 #21

first DU then the whole internet. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #28

The misogynist creeps got bored with discussionist geek tragedy Aug 2014 #29

I stay away from Reddit. I don't see it as much of a problem here, though. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #40

I stayed out of that too. Especially since I had no real opinion beyond "that's stupid." nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #124

Then you must be having a fit knowing what's happening in the Middle East. randome Aug 2014 #41

I'm not convinced that you can convert anyone. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2014 #62

Agree with the pointlessness of marriage. randome Aug 2014 #66

I cannot believe the stuff that women put up with in marriages. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2014 #68

I know what you mean and agree. randome Aug 2014 #78

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #87

Another instant tombstone. Another intellectual dullard. randome Aug 2014 #89

Obviously some women make it work. leftyladyfrommo Sep 2014 #204

DU needs to update its TOS. We're behind the times, imho nt steve2470 Aug 2014 #46

agree. +1 Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #65

+1000 !!!! orpupilofnature57 Aug 2014 #53

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #71

you should drop the clause "on the Internet." malthaussen Aug 2014 #109

someone said not long ago, that internet IS real life. i always separate the two. but... seabeyond Aug 2014 #114

So basically... 99Forever Aug 2014 #112

the board is now open to repugs, policies, ideas and arguments? i missed the bulletin. nt seabeyond Aug 2014 #115

Was I speaking to you? n/t 99Forever Aug 2014 #117

message board. doesnt matter. still didnt answer the question. open to repugs? seabeyond Aug 2014 #118

I don't do demands from you or anyone else. 99Forever Aug 2014 #121

lol. nor acknowledge the obvious. and truth. no repugs. we censor, already. ooops. seabeyond Aug 2014 #125

You mean, you missed the rule about not responding to 99forever? kcr Aug 2014 #156

Aren't you special? 99Forever Aug 2014 #157

This is my lucky day! kcr Aug 2014 #159

Yes it is. 99Forever Aug 2014 #160

ya. him and thor. lol. seabeyond Aug 2014 #158

I wonder that they are so blind they don't see the misogyny treestar Sep 2014 #196

Textbook misogyny treestar Sep 2014 #195

No, I wouldn't say "censorship." malthaussen Aug 2014 #116

The OP specifically referred to the Internet, as a whole. 99Forever Aug 2014 #120

Well, the laws of libel and slander disagree with your position. malthaussen Aug 2014 #122

I have little interest in strawman arguments. 99Forever Aug 2014 #126

Since no suggestion was made that there is such a Constitutional right... malthaussen Aug 2014 #127

Which "statutory limits on hate speech" are you referring to? 99Forever Aug 2014 #128

With the caveat that there are none such in the US... malthaussen Aug 2014 #129

I don't live in South Africa or the EU. 99Forever Aug 2014 #130

I oppose misogyny. chervilant Aug 2014 #132

Fine. 99Forever Aug 2014 #148

No? chervilant Aug 2014 #172

Have fun whipping those strawmen. 99Forever Aug 2014 #173

Game? chervilant Aug 2014 #181

Yes game. 99Forever Aug 2014 #185

Oh, dear... chervilant Aug 2014 #189

Truth hurt? 99Forever Aug 2014 #192

Truth? chervilant Aug 2014 #193

... 99Forever Aug 2014 #194

Do you also oppose equality and human rights? BainsBane Aug 2014 #145

As I have said repeatedly: 99Forever Aug 2014 #147

I didn't read anything in the OP about wanting to censor the entire internet gollygee Aug 2014 #162

You see what you see... 99Forever Aug 2014 #164

Who asked you to be ashamed? gollygee Aug 2014 #182

Hello? 99Forever Aug 2014 #184

Does that sound like a command to feel ashamed to you? gollygee Aug 2014 #187

I won't waste my time with silly semantics drivel. 99Forever Aug 2014 #188

Some of us may be taking into consideration things that the OP has stated in the past.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2014 #186

Everyone opposes censorship treestar Sep 2014 #197

They are all for freedom of speech so long as they get to decide what you can say. nt alphafemale Aug 2014 #165

Exactly. 99Forever Aug 2014 #167

Not shameful and embarrasing, that's too polite a way to put it Cal Carpenter Aug 2014 #190

Excellent post. Thank you. N/t Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #203