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9. We were right about Bush and wrong about Obama.

Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:07 AM

Aug 2014

I'm pretty damn old, and I can't remember ever having been as wrong about a politician as I was about Barack Obama. One of the results is that I have never been as pessimistic about electoral politics as a tool for change as I am now, several years into the Obama administration.

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Grant immunity? Obama's making Bush criminals into heroes! [View all] JackRiddler Aug 2014 OP

So were we wrong about Bush or Obama? nt Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #1

I think we were completely naive throughout the Bush administration regarding sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #3

We were right about Bush and wrong about Obama. enough Aug 2014 #9

i'm almost over it, but that is my experience as well..swallowed the whole hope and change bs xiamiam Aug 2014 #18

Sounds like you projected a lot. Knew he was a slight left moderate Dem from day one emulatorloo Aug 2014 #45

admittedly, i also believed his campaign rhetoric..mea culpa..nt xiamiam Aug 2014 #52

Several candidates ran to the left of him. I supported one of them emulatorloo Aug 2014 #55

Except for the massive expansion of NSA surveillance and drone warfare, enough Aug 2014 #58

Yeah, but if we were paying attention from the start... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Aug 2014 #60

Several candidates ran to the left of him. You musta missed that emulatorloo Sep 2014 #77

Brilliant WhaTHellsgoingonhere Sep 2014 #79

Let me add a few more exceptions: Obama's lies about his view on Congress's war powers, Vattel Sep 2014 #75

I think we were wrong with picking a lawyer. LiberalArkie Aug 2014 #25

Wise To Remember That Obama Won The Marketeer Of The Year In 2008 cantbeserious Aug 2014 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Aug 2014 #54

+1 hifiguy Aug 2014 #53

I realized once and for all.. sendero Sep 2014 #66

...^ that 840high Sep 2014 #76

REC 1,000,000! choie Aug 2014 #2

Cass Sunstein explained why to let Bush and Cheney off the hook, all legal-like. Octafish Aug 2014 #4

Sunstein wasn't alone. OnyxCollie Aug 2014 #6

'Criminalization of policy differences' is how they got around prosecuting Iran-Contra traitors. Octafish Aug 2014 #11

would republicans have been successful loyalsister Aug 2014 #28

So, it's OK when Ford pardoned Nixon before a trial and conviction, too? Octafish Aug 2014 #36

Does that include the truth about Bill Clinton? loyalsister Aug 2014 #44

There is a class sociopathy involved. Laws only apply to mere mortals. The Aristocracy rules rhett o rick Aug 2014 #46

"all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others" heaven05 Aug 2014 #17

Yeah screw that. ncjustice80 Aug 2014 #57

Very interesting tie selection. Baitball Blogger Aug 2014 #5

and the body language..subtle, yet unmistakable xiamiam Aug 2014 #15

Bush Jr. standing ahead of the pack BuelahWitch Sep 2014 #64

Did you see Obama wore a tan suit last week? Outrageous! Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #27

Dave Letterman had a light tan suit on too... fadedrose Sep 2014 #70

Iran Contra, Savings and Loan crisis, mortgage fraud crisis, Enron, Goldman Sachs, BP, NSA, CIA, whereisjustice Aug 2014 #7

+1. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2014 #8

I think they already have the gold...nt freebrew Aug 2014 #19

This whole thread is a good read...so far. zeemike Aug 2014 #10

It's all a carefully choreographed dance to give us the illusion of democracy. EEO Aug 2014 #12

Disagree. JackRiddler Sep 2014 #67

But he signed Lilly Ledbetter nt tblue Aug 2014 #13

Yes he did. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #14

Somebody alerted on your post, here are your jury results: LeftyMom Aug 2014 #16

So alerters don't have to really explain why they're alerting leftstreet Aug 2014 #20

"Firebagger" is a favorite term of abuse among the pompom crowd. QC Aug 2014 #31

Words used by BFEE lovers. We have some sad little people on this site that get mad Rex Aug 2014 #34

it means "I believe that torturing captives and killing hundreds of thousands in wars of choice MisterP Aug 2014 #38

It would be nice to know who alerted on this. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #21

somebody who uses the term "firebagger". that narrows it down. nt m-lekktor Aug 2014 #29

^^^ nt grasswire Sep 2014 #62

lol - spoke outside the free speech zone, over there, at end of the alley, behind the abandoned whereisjustice Aug 2014 #22

Somebody missed out on their ideal career... JackRiddler Aug 2014 #23

I believe if they do, they can't vote on Alerts. Octafish Aug 2014 #37

This is why anonymous alerting is bs... PoutrageFatigue Aug 2014 #24

Make alerters names visible and fix most this shit. nt Logical Aug 2014 #32

Yes BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #61

+1 grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #73

The reason that they aren't being prosecuted is that too many Democrats signed off on the crimes. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #30

That's the big one. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #43

We ask: Ichingcarpenter Aug 2014 #33

It is simple, we live in a land where laws only apply to certain groups of people. Rex Aug 2014 #35

Pete Brewton: The Mafia, CIA & George Bush Octafish Aug 2014 #39

And the world has understood. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #40

True, our pretending that we can just ignore violations of our Consititution at will Rex Aug 2014 #42

Is it a exaggeration to believe that our Constitution has been rendered moot? nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #48

Parts of it have imo. Rex Aug 2014 #51

Obama's actions are what led tiredtoo Aug 2014 #41

A whole bunch of posting on this site... JackRiddler Sep 2014 #68

So well said!!!! grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #69

You make an excellent argument, however, I believe that Pres Obama will grant pardons to rhett o rick Aug 2014 #47

Laws are rhetorical/social constructs, and nothing more. ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #49

Achtung! He vas only following orders! Demeter Aug 2014 #50

The Prisons should be full of Bush/Cheney Etc. colsohlibgal Aug 2014 #56

at least one membership of the Bush family has been neck deep in every US Doctor_J Aug 2014 #59

excellent OP, thanks. nt grasswire Sep 2014 #63

kick his thread like a soccer ball down the street reddread Sep 2014 #65

Bush Sr had a war and raised taxes to pay for it fadedrose Sep 2014 #71

Bush Sr is the most important unindicted war criminal of the last 100 years JackRiddler Sep 2014 #72

How so, Jack? fadedrose Sep 2014 #74

Absolutely agree enigmatic Sep 2014 #78

the big getaway n/t reddread Sep 2014 #80

Obama was a NWO stroke of genius n/t whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #81

It's the organic dynamics of power... JackRiddler Sep 2014 #83

That's right, I'm kicking this johnnyreb Sep 2014 #82

Oh no, would you do such a thing again?! JackRiddler Sep 2014 #84