Revolution anyone? This is for those among us that think we can always fall back on revolution.

[TheKentuckian]

86. It isn't an issue of immortality. It was little different at the moment. It just didn't work and

impacts have ever been overstated for philosophical reasons and what can be gleaned is not universally useful. You really think these tactics would work on a Hitler, a Stalin, or say the fundamentalists sweeping through the middle east?

I know you want to believe yes. I get that you hope yes but I find it nearly impossible to believe that you actually DO believe such.

Even against less utterly repressive powers all that has ever happened that I can tell is reorganization of oppression to make it more palatable and even that is a fat nothing burger in a vacuum as there must be the realistic threat of disruption and skin being pulled into the game that doesn't want to be there to create the space needed to make negotiations with more passive resistance preferable to chaos or they just crush the irritant.

The model has never really worked and has only even had the appearance of effectiveness when conscience can be prevailed upon and then only to the minimum degree possible to allow the oppressed to stand down and be oppressed with minimal disruption of exploitation while alleviating the guilt and shame of their population that must be kept in a waking dream to maintain the system least they wake up and join the oppressed.

I want peace and tranquility, even desperately but that doesn't lead me to a place where I think any strategy or tactics are universally functional no matter how much I might wish they could be. Sometimes one needs an Allen wrench, sometimes a tape measure, sometimes a screwdriver, and yes sometimes a hammer is required to do the job.

To be honest, I think the people most adamant about the universal nature of these tactics have probably haven't too often been on the wrong end of cruel brute force aka you haven't really had to deal with bullies dedicated to kicking your ass every time they see it.
In the real world there are folks who will never relent unless you brutally cave their asses in and that is that. You try other methods and sometimes they will work before it escalates to the endpoint but in the end some people cannot be negotiated with and if you had taken enough asswhippings for no reason from those that want to dominate and abuse then you'd get it for sure but I believe you'd probably get it without getting busted up on a regular basis just because IF you could be honest about history.

Sometimes there are no better angels to appeal to and no hearts and minds to win.