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karynnj

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Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:33 PM Sep 2014

Is anyone else angry that the media is ignoring the real progress made against ISIS [View all]

- instead focusing on a "Who lost Syria?" or "who lost Iraq?" story when in fact we never "had" either of them.

Think back to the speech Obama gave to the country when he spoke of the seriousness of the situation. At that point, ISIS was taking city after city and was threatening Baghdad itself. In addition, the Iraqis had failed to even start the process of selecting a government based on the then recent elections. Additionally, the existing government had essentially given no power at all to either the Sunnis or Kurds - something that had made ISIS progress easier.

I have to admit that, at that point, though I agreed that there could be no US military strategy that would "fix" this, I really did not think diplomacy could work either - though I have immense respect for both Obama and John Kerry, who Obama sent to try to work with the Iraqis to get them to form an inclusive government without supporting ANY potential Prime Minister.

Since then:
- US air strikes provided cover to break the seize of those stranded on the mountain by letting them safely escape with help of Kurds and the Iraqi forces. The US also dropped humanitarian goods from the US and allies that were desperately needed.
- Again, with US air cover, the Iraqis and Kurds prevented ISIS from controlling the area including the Mosul Dam.
- The Iraqi President named a man to be Prime Minister and asked him to start to form a government. Al Maliki, who most thought would not voluntarily step down, did just that.

These three achievements were significant and, given where we were when Obama spoke, were better than I would have expected. (Yes, the government is not formed and when it is even under the best intentions, it will take time to show real reforms. Yes, ISIS still commands a huge area and they are a threat.) Yet, the media was more concerned that the President, who did lead this, was on Martha's Vineyard for two weeks.

Then the story became James Foley. I have wondered why I have not seen anyone speculate whether it was ISIS's real defeats, the first after an amazing string of successes for them, that might have led them to brutally execute a man they had held for over a year. I wonder if it was done to 1) change the story - which it instantly did and 2) to make the Sunnis tribes who allied with them reconsider any possible turning against them if it looked like the tide was turning and that there could be a more inclusive Iraqi government. (both because of potential brutal consequences and stemming any story that the US was meeting with any success.)

Yesterday, the same combination of US air cover and the Kurds and Iraqis succeeded in saving another small town. Again US and allied countries' humanitarian goods were dropped. Yet, the coverage on the Sunday shows was all about Obama not doing enough. Feinstein, though a Democrat, was really NOT a balance on this. (Former Governor Richardson was - I think - the only one speaking in defense of Obama and in some coverage of his comments they mostly spoke of him as having supported Obama in 2008 as if this was politics!) In the print media, things were better. The NYT had both a McCain/Graham oped (predictably still arguing for aiding the moderate rebels in Syria and being more aggressive.) and an oped by Kerry explaining conceptually the administration's goals. (On the NYT site, the comments on McCain were devastatingly negative, where Kerry's were mostly cautiously positive or politely disagreeing.)

This morning, Alarabiya, a Saudi Arabian paper, had an interesting article that speaks of both the impact the US has had AND the problems likely to be faced. http://english.alarabiya.net/en/perspective/2014/08/31/As-ISIS-fighters-begin-to-blend-in-defeating-them-no-easy-matter.html One point made was that, due to US airstrikes, ISIS was abandoning the Humvees they got when they looted military bases they overran. If this is true, while it could, as the article points out, make them harder to find, but common sense also says that not using them will make it harder for them to expand their area. ( Please consider the source, but the content is pretty interesting.)

Obama is taking a very rational, thoughtful approach here - and one that does not play well in the instant gratification world we live in. If you look at the three victories on the ground, they all completely follow what Obama spoke of as what we were willing to do. I hope that Obama and his administration have the courage and vision to act, when they see they could help, ignoring America's clear desire to withdraw internationally and, on the other side, the courage to ignore the McCains, Grahams and apparently, the Feinsteins, call for more aggressive military action. It is a brave path, which lacks the passionate followers on either extreme on this issue.

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It irritates me a bit, but I'm so used to being a "news digger" that I expect it. MADem Sep 2014 #1
I cannot see it as anything but racism. PBO will always be illegimate for not obeying them. freshwest Sep 2014 #20
Oh, hell yes, that too! Yes We Tan! Who's that on the GOLF course? MADem Sep 2014 #21
Good analysis of the last couple of weeks flamingdem Sep 2014 #2
Any announcement made of a successful mission is mostly met with silence. TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #3
Wasn't Obama who said "Assad must go"? former9thward Sep 2014 #13
He did, and that was his fault for listening to the dumbasses in TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #14
Well I agree (I think) with you that we should not intervene in Syria. former9thward Sep 2014 #27
If Assad were to go... YvonneCa Sep 2014 #41
I have been to Syria three times. former9thward Sep 2014 #46
One, of many, skills GWB lacked was... YvonneCa Sep 2014 #47
First of all I don't have alot of original ideas of my own to stop Isis.... wercal Sep 2014 #4
Putin and Assad let them flourish. It was their strategy to defeat the "good" rebels TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #5
It's Putin's fault! CJCRANE Sep 2014 #8
Actually, since Putin has been propping up, supplying, and advising the TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #9
But who supported the rebels in the first place? CJCRANE Sep 2014 #11
Sunni Arabs, mostly. But I noticed a while back that the same hysterical Russian TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #12
But even the official reports say that other rebel groups joined ISIS. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #15
ISIS served the purposes of Assad, Putin, and Iran (friend of Assad). To a point. TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #17
It wasn't even called ISIS back then. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #18
Assorted bad guys, left over from the good old days of AQ in Iraq, who saw TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #19
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Peacetrain Sep 2014 #34
Great post Twilight Gardener. n/t truedelphi Sep 2014 #31
"yet" ?? Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #6
Our chicken sh*t media has a ton of Wellstone ruled Sep 2014 #7
Today's MSM is almost worse than it was in the Bush era. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #10
One reason I don't care that much is that Doctor_J Sep 2014 #16
------ heaven05 Sep 2014 #26
is that good or bad? Doctor_J Sep 2014 #28
They get better ratings Mr.Bill Sep 2014 #22
a thousand recs for this OP. Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #23
Progress And The Middle East Is An Oxymoron cantbeserious Sep 2014 #24
thank you for the sanity heaven05 Sep 2014 #25
DiFi's reaction was not knee-jerk Doctor_J Sep 2014 #30
can't disagree heaven05 Sep 2014 #33
In your post, you claim that "We never had Iraq." ??:?? truedelphi Sep 2014 #29
I know that and it is poor wording - I meant they were not ours to lose - they were independent karynnj Sep 2014 #37
are you really so smitten the you accuse the media of *siding with ISIS*? MisterP Sep 2014 #32
Of course not, where did you get that insane idea? karynnj Sep 2014 #35
And are you so against reality.. that you accuse karyn of that? Cha Sep 2014 #53
I think the President and SOS Kerry... YvonneCa Sep 2014 #36
Agreed karynnj Sep 2014 #38
And... YvonneCa Sep 2014 #39
I agree with you War Horse Sep 2014 #40
And amazingly, it's one of many... YvonneCa Sep 2014 #43
"Who lost Syria?" or "who lost Iraq?" Veilex Sep 2014 #42
You might want to reread the OP... YvonneCa Sep 2014 #44
Just reacting to the title... Veilex Sep 2014 #55
I have done that myself... YvonneCa Sep 2014 #57
No worries... I may have deserved it. At least a little. This time. ;) Veilex Sep 2014 #60
... YvonneCa Sep 2014 #63
That was my point karynnj Sep 2014 #50
Noted... pardon me while I go read Veilex Sep 2014 #56
... YvonneCa Sep 2014 #58
It's not just the media, pundits and politicians carry on cheapdate Sep 2014 #45
Deliberately lying. Side of given issue... YvonneCa Sep 2014 #48
I do think some of the cheap shots are clearly dishonest karynnj Sep 2014 #54
This should be Trending on the Home Page and high on the Great Page. XP'd it to get more K&R's. freshwest Sep 2014 #49
yes tazkcmo Sep 2014 #51
The "media"'s MO has only gotten exponentially worse since I dropped it in 2002.. Thank Cha Sep 2014 #52
Great thread, karynnj! Thank you. n/t YvonneCa Sep 2014 #59
Thank you and others who joined the discussion nt karynnj Sep 2014 #62
You can't be serious... sendero Sep 2014 #61
Excellent post, thank you The Blue Flower Sep 2014 #64
thank you for your spot on perspective hopemountain Sep 2014 #65
I'm sure the parents of Steven Sotloff are very happy with the real progress that has been made. egduj Sep 2014 #66
Idiotic cheap shot karynnj Sep 2014 #67
True BKH70041 Sep 2014 #68
What would you recommend Obama do in the Middle East? karynnj Sep 2014 #69
Something other than what's he's doing now. BKH70041 Sep 2014 #70
Note that the same "he's too weak" was NOT made of GWB when beheadings happened then karynnj Sep 2014 #71
Thanks for explaining "the real world" to him, karyn. "Obama is weak" is a republicon meme Cha Oct 2014 #72
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