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AceWheeler

(55 posts)
11. It's complicated
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 08:53 PM
Sep 2014

As a trained clinical psychologist and retired college professor, I can tell you that all so-called "mental disorders" are complex interactions between the individual and his, or her environment. And most "causal" models do NOT rely on single cause-and-effect relationships, such as a lack of serotonin.

Given this, all studies, particularly those with non-humans, are at best suggestive. Researchers attempt to objectify "depression," for example, but they don't really know what a "depressed" mouse looks like. The fact that the mice became aggressive may simply be a sign of what is called "agitated" depression in humans.

SSRs do not work for all people, and I don't know any mental health folks who think serotonin is, in and of itself, the issue. It may be a contributing factor for some, but not everyone.

I think this is an important study, but multivariate analysis using multiple variables correlating with observed and self-reported "depression" in humans will have the best potential predictive validity and guide toward treatment.

Having good heuristics helps the practitioner, but each person must be understood and treated within the context of what and how he, or she, alone thinks and feels and behaves.

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recent trials have shown ketamine enormously effective in treating depression BainsBane Sep 2014 #1
I'd like to know more about this. truedelphi Sep 2014 #12
I want to try ketamine. Control-Z Sep 2014 #13
I can tell you that it's amazing REP Sep 2014 #19
What I wouldn't give to feel well and good. Control-Z Sep 2014 #25
There are none currently in my area BainsBane Sep 2014 #21
What area are you in? Control-Z Sep 2014 #24
Thank you for this info lovemydog Sep 2014 #17
interesting... thanks. nt antigop Sep 2014 #2
Please cross-post this elleng Sep 2014 #3
Would you please do that madokie Sep 2014 #5
OK elleng Sep 2014 #9
Big Pharma's not gonna like this. Octafish Sep 2014 #4
By the time they understand us, brother... pinboy3niner Sep 2014 #6
I tried a drug for depression once Kalidurga Sep 2014 #7
Lots of other studies say similar things... HereSince1628 Sep 2014 #8
Anti-depressents are only a band-aid anyway. Rod Beauvex Sep 2014 #10
Sorry. I disagree with that assertion. blue neen Sep 2014 #16
+1 nt Live and Learn Sep 2014 #23
No. JayhawkSD Sep 2014 #22
In some cases. In others, not so much. Brickbat Sep 2014 #34
It's complicated AceWheeler Sep 2014 #11
But for clinicians, you need a diagnosis to get paid Recursion Sep 2014 #27
I agree. TM99 Sep 2014 #29
I'm in the field too. Nice to hear that acknowledged. nolabear Sep 2014 #33
Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Sep 2014 #14
There isn't one disease "depression". jeff47 Sep 2014 #15
In my own subjective experience, I agree lovemydog Sep 2014 #20
SSRI's helped me. Jim Lane Sep 2014 #31
Thanks madokie. lovemydog Sep 2014 #18
Please tell me that I can go back to smoking weed. TexasTowelie Sep 2014 #26
I'm a bit grumpy lately because daredtowork Sep 2014 #28
The study is interesting, but I will tell you I'm skeptical of secondary reporting like this davidpdx Sep 2014 #30
Fascinating info. hifiguy Sep 2014 #32
350 million and 1. BootinUp Nov 2014 #35
I Agree. Mildred S Dec 2015 #37
My personal view Mildred S Dec 2015 #36
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