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MADem

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294. Islamophobia, yes...then add intersex discrimination (because gender isn't enough), then add

Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:10 PM

Sep 2014

transgender discrimination, and let's break down the whole "orientation" thing, too, with a specific admonition against discriminating against people who are ASEXUAL--because we haven't had anything to say about them to this point. I hope you realize I am being sarcastic, here...

We had a MASSIVE set of "rules" at DU2 and they made the place suck. They changed periodically and you needed to be a DU lawyer to keep them all straight.

We're better off doing what we do best, here--which is behave DECENTLY, be FAIR, and don't be assholes. It's not that hard.

And MIRT does deserve a great round of applause--it is a hard job and they do it well.

I don't understand why everyone is yelling about a guy who acted like an ass, made a few sick, attention-seeking/let-me-get-everyone-so-upset-and-excited threats, was taken out by juries, and tombstoned by the admins. The system WORKED. So...that's not enough?

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An internet truth regarding sexist/misogynist comments [View all] boston bean Aug 2014 OP

Absolutely. Speaking up is essential. MineralMan Aug 2014 #1

Yes! yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #242

Re: last paragraph, men should speak up too geek tragedy Aug 2014 #2

That would be nice and welcome, of course. boston bean Aug 2014 #3

DU Rec. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #4

In my experience... Wounded Bear Aug 2014 #5

^^^This^^^n/t Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #6

Yeah, and it applies across the board... Wounded Bear Aug 2014 #7

+1 2naSalit Aug 2014 #27

Yep ... that and "censorship" etherealtruth Aug 2014 #8

This is where the argument fails for our free speech crowd, I can say anything boston bean Aug 2014 #9

How many times has constitutional free speech been explained here? Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #10

I cringe when I see allies stating they are putting someone on ignore. boston bean Aug 2014 #14

I don't think that is the case. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #50

IDK about juries. n/t Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #61

I'm almost positive that if you put someone on ignore you don't serve on a jury for them. nt boston bean Aug 2014 #63

According to the posted description of the community moderating system, petronius Aug 2014 #99

Thank you petronius. This is one reason I don't put people on ignore. boston bean Aug 2014 #100

I didn't know that gaspee Aug 2014 #123

many people have the same ignore list, and skinner and others promote an ignore list. pool seabeyond Aug 2014 #126

OTOH: OilemFirchen Aug 2014 #144

No, that is not the case. Ignoring persons make it so you can't serve on a jury for them. boston bean Aug 2014 #155

You mean "can't" in your subject, correct? OilemFirchen Aug 2014 #164

yes, but putting them on ignore doesn't prevent them from serving on a jury on a post of yours. boston bean Aug 2014 #165

That was my point. OilemFirchen Aug 2014 #166

right. I was confused as admitted above and made a confusing situation even more confusing.. boston bean Aug 2014 #167

We kewl. (n/t) OilemFirchen Aug 2014 #168

Why is that confusing? Egnever Aug 2014 #16

There are no first amendment rights on a privately held website. boston bean Aug 2014 #21

I'm not confused... Wounded Bear Aug 2014 #241

that one is what puts me in a fit of giggles i see so often. in discussing a womans issue, i am seabeyond Aug 2014 #17

agreed nt steve2470 Aug 2014 #151

Kick! tea and oranges Aug 2014 #11

Oppressed groups are always advised not to be confrontational. malthaussen Aug 2014 #12

+10000 etherealtruth Aug 2014 #13

There has been progress in that they are on the defensive treestar Aug 2014 #15

+1. nt seabeyond Aug 2014 #18

As a woman I am for free speech. alphafemale Aug 2014 #19

It is hate not speech. boston bean Aug 2014 #20

I don't give a rats ass what they say. alphafemale Aug 2014 #22

I deal with it every day and work to make it better, you? boston bean Aug 2014 #23

You are right ...I have been guilty of "just ignoring" ... etherealtruth Aug 2014 #24

baiting, alerting, comment stalking are all issues boston bean Aug 2014 #25

I have always viewed this as a real issue etherealtruth Aug 2014 #28

I never thought you were! :) boston bean Aug 2014 #30

That happens a lot on DU justiceischeap Aug 2014 #132

i do not give a fuck about hostility. i do not recognize intimidation. seabeyond Aug 2014 #40

I deal with it myself. I am strong enough to do that on my own. alphafemale Aug 2014 #26

Yeah, I'm a pretty strong person. boston bean Aug 2014 #29

Of course it does. And you have several feet of them. alphafemale Aug 2014 #31

Were you offering some help in getting private websites boston bean Aug 2014 #32

If you want someone else to handle misogyny for you? alphafemale Aug 2014 #64

Speaking about it means I am not handling it. boston bean Aug 2014 #66

You are being incredibly rude and obtuse. JTFrog Aug 2014 #38

You need someone to protect you alphafemale Aug 2014 #51

Why did we fight for the ERA? JTFrog Aug 2014 #55

and i love alpha. i do. i know this is coning from a different place also. seabeyond Aug 2014 #58

I am mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore. JTFrog Aug 2014 #69

i am not walking either. the bigger point? i do not accept redq's walk either. or bigtree. seabeyond Aug 2014 #73

No. I am just disagreeing that I need special protection. alphafemale Aug 2014 #59

It is not censorship on a private message board boston bean Aug 2014 #68

It's not your message board. alphafemale Aug 2014 #77

They are not ideas, they are HATE and BIGOTRY. boston bean Aug 2014 #87

I live for hostility. alphafemale Aug 2014 #92

Really, I live for peace and tranquility. boston bean Aug 2014 #94

Peace and Tranquility? alphafemale Aug 2014 #102

If there is a changeto be made, boston bean Aug 2014 #107

Ridiculous. Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #98

It is certainly about ideas alphafemale Aug 2014 #106

Did anyone call you a misogynist because of that thread? Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #110

Many times people take personally an opinion of another. boston bean Aug 2014 #111

AGAIN if you feel offended DEAL WITH IT. alphafemale Aug 2014 #112

AGAIN it's not about you or me. It's about all of us. Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #116

You might think this poster is against Hate Laws. boston bean Aug 2014 #120

Hate laws protect the weak AND the strong. Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #125

I also wonder what the person thinks of the civil rights act. boston bean Aug 2014 #127

Me too. DURHAM D Aug 2014 #137

Excuse me, I'd like to interrupt for just a second to say, as a cowardly weakling, betsuni Aug 2014 #202

Salt the nails liberally. Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #211

To be constitutionally permissible hifiguy Aug 2014 #138

right... we are talking about hateful bigoted speech on the privately owned internet sites. boston bean Aug 2014 #140

If you read ALL of the post hifiguy Aug 2014 #141

Sorry that Jebus wept. Didn't mean to make him/her. boston bean Aug 2014 #143

By ignoring one of my central points hifiguy Aug 2014 #145

Was there something I wrote that you disagree with. boston bean Aug 2014 #146

My fault. Seriously. hifiguy Aug 2014 #148

no worries. thanks. nt boston bean Aug 2014 #169

I figured it out ... Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #231

I agree with everything you're saying. It's a discussion board, so discuss! MADem Aug 2014 #194

you live for hostility also? you do not believe we should stand up for our weak? now, you say seabeyond Aug 2014 #232

Discuss! Unless you want to disagree with misogynists, then shut up! kcr Aug 2014 #269

Look, I'm not sure why you're giving me so much grief, but you're welcome to your opinion as well. MADem Aug 2014 #270

I'm not the one telling anyone to shut up n/t kcr Aug 2014 #271

Nor am I. I'm telling people to discuss issues. MADem Aug 2014 #275

You stated that you agreed with someone who was kcr Sep 2014 #284

Someone who was ... WHAT? MADem Sep 2014 #285

Okay. This isn't all that hard to follow. kcr Sep 2014 #286

Look, I don't see how I can make this much simpler for you--I even CUT AND PASTED the entire MADem Sep 2014 #287

Yes. You very thoughtfully cut and pasted the "shut up" kcr Sep 2014 #288

There's no "shut up" in what I cut and pasted. Why would you say that there was? MADem Sep 2014 #290

I explained how there was kcr Sep 2014 #291

It's not yours either kcr Aug 2014 #268

speaking out is having someone protect you? some of us see it the opposite. nt seabeyond Aug 2014 #56

I do not need anyone to protect me. alphafemale Aug 2014 #95

me either. for a lifetime. why? many reasons. utmost... how damn privileged i am. seabeyond Aug 2014 #97

And you have no obligation to help anyone else. Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #103

Thank goodness that isn't a progressive value at all. KitSileya Aug 2014 #142

^^^^THIS^^^^ Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #163

Why have standards in any community? Scootaloo Aug 2014 #209

Superb LittleBlue Aug 2014 #83

Your username gives it away LittleBlue Aug 2014 #41

lol My user name was originally chosen as meaning "Mom" alphafemale Aug 2014 #43

Your characterization of this as a whine, is offensive to me. boston bean Aug 2014 #49

Offensive isn't the half of it gaspee Aug 2014 #128

she said she Lives For Hostility ... Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #225

this is what gets me. a couple men applauding and saying they agree with EVERYTHING being said, is seabeyond Aug 2014 #233

I read in a book once = seek and ye shall find. or in other words Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #235

Loved your posts in this thread. hifiguy Aug 2014 #139

I know, I am making it worser!!!!!!!!! LOL boston bean Aug 2014 #46

you girl, you. fug. i need to breath out, here. you were so dissed. nt seabeyond Aug 2014 #48

The problem is real LittleBlue Aug 2014 #60

I disagree, the problem has a solution. Make misogynists and sexists unwelcome boston bean Aug 2014 #62

Have you noticed the flood of low postcount guys lately? LittleBlue Aug 2014 #71

They have tools, and if they have the will it can be better. boston bean Aug 2014 #76

If pixels on a screen stop you from participating? alphafemale Aug 2014 #131

It is HATE and Bigotry, not just pixels on a screen. boston bean Aug 2014 #134

ya? and what am i? beta? the rest of the women in her... beta? in man talk, seabeyond Aug 2014 #47

I will have you know I am the ALPHA and the OMEGA. I rule my land. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #227

you girl... lol. too funny. lots of funny today. nt seabeyond Aug 2014 #228

I can not stop laughing over here. Crying tears LAUGHING. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #230

You missed the "Sarcasm" tag intaglio Aug 2014 #113

Anita Sarkeesian is about as alpha as you can get intaglio Aug 2014 #104

By offering ways to combat and discussing the issue boston bean Aug 2014 #109

Would you feel the same about racists, homophobes, and other haters? catrose Aug 2014 #149

I understand your point steve2470 Aug 2014 #153

On the internet no one knows you're a dog. n/t fleabiscuit Aug 2014 #247

Great post, boston bean! Free speech means A has the right to be bigoted, and B has the right to DesertDiamond Aug 2014 #33

then get a hide or you are incorrect. get five hides. get kicked off the board. be silenced. seabeyond Aug 2014 #44

A is an idiot if A thinks that the First Amendment protects speech without limits. Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #108

There are ways to demand "it be adressed in places you visit on the web" without MADem Aug 2014 #34

I've written Skinner at least 20 times XemaSab Aug 2014 #35

Without knowing what you wrote, it's impossible to side with or against you. MADem Aug 2014 #67

I've asked Skinner several times too. The answer, when he deigns to give one, is a resounding no. Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #114

He's deigned to give you one? XemaSab Aug 2014 #115

Gormy, boston bean Aug 2014 #117

Thanks. I'd forgotten that we don't even have that single word "sexism." Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #118

What's the difference between sexism and gender? Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #216

What's the harm in having more words in the TOS? Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #244

Also, gender discrimination is different than discrimination based on sex. boston bean Aug 2014 #250

I'm not understanding what the difference between bigotry based on gender and sexism is, though... Violet_Crumble Sep 2014 #276

Neither do some other DUers. Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #277

I'm kind of suspecting that there's no real difference, kind of like anti-semitism and Jew-hatred... Violet_Crumble Sep 2014 #296

The problem with a terse list is that it doesn't represent a teaching moment. Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #298

Islamophobia, yes...then add intersex discrimination (because gender isn't enough), then add MADem Sep 2014 #294

OMG. If you think the DU2 rules were convoluted, try adding the I/P forum guidelines on top of that! Violet_Crumble Sep 2014 #297

I have to agree with him, and I don't think I'm alone. MADem Aug 2014 #190

Evidence suggests otherwise. n/t Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #192

I think Skinner is trying to avoid opening Pandora's box. jeff47 Aug 2014 #214

It's not special protection. It's strengthening the existing TOS language n/t Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #246

You can write anything you'd like in the TOS language jeff47 Aug 2014 #257

It's been done, here and it falls on deaf ears. boston bean Aug 2014 #37

No, it doesn't fall on deaf ears, and if you think that, you need to visit the archives. MADem Aug 2014 #53

Please do not tell me my experiences are not my experiences. boston bean Aug 2014 #57

And please don't tell ME that MY experiences are not valid. See how that works? MADem Aug 2014 #72

I didn't tell you yours was not valid. However you did tell me mine were. boston bean Aug 2014 #81

Look at the words you're using to "converse" with me. MADem Aug 2014 #196

omg i used words and you think it's me that cant deal boston bean Aug 2014 #239

Now you're using snark. I never said you "can't deal." You're inventing that. MADem Aug 2014 #249

go back and read the exchange and try your honest best attempt boston bean Aug 2014 #251

I think you might want to work on that mote in your eye, too. nt MADem Aug 2014 #252

ok, as long as you do, which you implied you have. nt boston bean Aug 2014 #256

Oh Bullshit. JTFrog Aug 2014 #39

WHAT? This is the exact opposite of "not making waves." I guess you didn't quite grasp the point MADem Aug 2014 #45

We need to be able to speak to one another about these issues. boston bean Aug 2014 #54

WITH is good. AT, not so much. nt MADem Aug 2014 #74

Are you accusing me of speaking at people? boston bean Aug 2014 #78

so well said. thank you. nt seabeyond Aug 2014 #84

I am not "accusing" (loaded word, there) you of anything of the sort. MADem Aug 2014 #85

I never said you "couldn't possibly understand". boston bean Aug 2014 #90

I suppose where you stand depends on where you sit. MADem Aug 2014 #193

excuse me, you were confrontational. boston bean Aug 2014 #237

Perfect example--you're accusing me of sexism with that post. That's uncivil, AND confrontational. MADem Aug 2014 #253

We have done what you ask repeatedly with NO acknowledgement. JTFrog Aug 2014 #65

What are you asking for? Do you want to censor unpopular words and thoughts? MADem Aug 2014 #80

I want Misogyny specifically added to the TOS. JTFrog Aug 2014 #82

Well, then, we'll have to add misandry, too, if we're going to be fair. MADem Aug 2014 #86

There is a much higher chance of adding misandry than misogyny. JTFrog Aug 2014 #88

Wow. That was terribly rude! And I didn't present a strawman, bat or otherwise! MADem Aug 2014 #177

Jury Decision... MrMickeysMom Aug 2014 #220

Well, I didn't alert on the post, I just told the poster how I felt. MADem Aug 2014 #223

Yes, that was cute... MrMickeysMom Aug 2014 #224

Yea, but Juror #7 was spot on. n/t JTFrog Aug 2014 #240

No, I don't think that's true. MADem Aug 2014 #248

you want to claim we sit on a balanced scale. so, to keep the balance, include msandry. the scales seabeyond Aug 2014 #101

We sit on a Democratic website that advocates a balanced scale in the party platform, so MADem Aug 2014 #191

um. how many male congress people? how many women? how many men in cabinet? how many women? seabeyond Aug 2014 #195

If you want to talk about the demographics of Congress, you can start a thread and send me a link. MADem Aug 2014 #197

you are the one to bring up hte fact it is democratic, women are covered and the scales balanced. seabeyond Aug 2014 #198

Wow, what a collection of false accusations. MADem Aug 2014 #204

i didnt see this post. you say, the democratic platform balances the scale for women. seabeyond Aug 2014 #207

I'm done speaking with you. I'm not going to put up with your rudeness and your false MADem Aug 2014 #208

i am not being rude. i disagree with you. you are the one taking to personal and insults. seabeyond Aug 2014 #212

you throw out a guess more women on jury than men with no facts to back you up. seabeyond Aug 2014 #199

If you have facts to the contrary, present them. nt MADem Aug 2014 #201

that just is not how it works. you do not get to make something up and say, prove otherwise. seabeyond Aug 2014 #203

Neither do you. That didn't stop you from the accusation you made that I cut/pasted upthread. nt MADem Aug 2014 #205

"Neither do you" dude, i didnt make anything up. you made something up. seabeyond Aug 2014 #206

No, that is not an equal situation. That would be like adding "whites rights" or something. cui bono Sep 2014 #279

No, it would be like saying "It's ok to make fun of those caucasians." MADem Sep 2014 #282

But isn't racism and homophobia singled out in the TOS? cui bono Sep 2014 #283

Yes, they are, and discrimination based on sex is covered under GENDER. MADem Sep 2014 #289

Not sure why you are getting so angry and combative over this. cui bono Sep 2014 #292

Golly gee, I don't understand why you're characterizing me inaccurately!!! MADem Sep 2014 #293

Define it. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #130

Should we also replace all instance of "black" with "white" in regards to racism and add that? JTFrog Aug 2014 #133

A couple of comments. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #159

Look--I can't stand all that back-and-forth gun bullshit. It sets my teeth on edge. MADem Aug 2014 #184

You seem to not like the word 'presentable'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #189

This site is not "overrun" with that kind of stuff, though. MADem Aug 2014 #200

You and I don't agree often, but .... polly7 Aug 2014 #170

do you see any woman here.... shaking in her boots? seabeyond Aug 2014 #171

I don't 'see' anyone. Why, are you shaking in your boots? nt. polly7 Aug 2014 #172

just accuse and imply, refuse to answer. well. i will answer. not a woman is "afraid", or whatever seabeyond Aug 2014 #173

I said what I meant. Don't like it, don't read it. polly7 Aug 2014 #174

"Don't like it, don't read it." other option. refute it. as i did seabeyond Aug 2014 #175

You refuted it??? lmfao! polly7 Aug 2014 #176

"do not make this a scary, horrible place to post." sounds like you are suggesting women think this seabeyond Aug 2014 #178

Still putting words in my mouth? polly7 Aug 2014 #179

no. i copied and pasted your words. scary place. seabeyond Aug 2014 #180

Good for you. It's too bad you don't understand that that applies to everyone, polly7 Aug 2014 #181

now. i am clueless what you are saying or implying. polly. enjoy your new house. seabeyond Aug 2014 #182

Wow. Did you do a search of my posts? polly7 Aug 2014 #183

i do not know that there is a single person i hate. you started a thread and was on latest. seabeyond Aug 2014 #185

lmao. nt. polly7 Aug 2014 #186

Apparently, hate doesn't include making someone very ill over spreading around personal info polly7 Aug 2014 #258

Jury results: The Straight Story Aug 2014 #272

Thanks, the funny thing is, she just demanded the apology for 'making her do those things' polly7 Aug 2014 #274

I don't take things personally! I like to argue issues and ideas, and, as I've said MADem Aug 2014 #187

You are right MADem, as long as it's done honestly and in good faith. nt. polly7 Aug 2014 #188

+1!! nt MADem Aug 2014 #210

and there were no issues and ideas expressed in the OP? nt boston bean Aug 2014 #238

I responded to your issues and ideas in post 34. MADem Aug 2014 #254

I don't think so. I think you were told by me that ignoring boston bean Aug 2014 #255

Post 34 was my first post in the thread, responding to your OP. MADem Aug 2014 #261

I think it all started after my very nice reply and you told me I was talking AT people. boston bean Aug 2014 #262

Good post, MADem. Would rec this if there was a rec button. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #213

You can even block jerks from following you on twitter now, which is a good thing. MADem Aug 2014 #218

this is downright laughable = Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #229

K&R. There's plenty of speech that is not allowed at DU already... YoungDemCA Aug 2014 #36

Yep, apparently misogyny is in a class of protected hate speech around here. JTFrog Aug 2014 #42

boy howdy. mopinko Aug 2014 #70

it is right there with saying.... fox, let men be men. thank you. nt seabeyond Aug 2014 #52

keep speaking. mopinko Aug 2014 #75

Conversations like this go nowhere because no one ever defines anything. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #79

"Does not pass a giggle test". JTFrog Aug 2014 #91

Yes... like that! lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #119

Expect me to do it more. JTFrog Aug 2014 #121

Everyone needs a hobby. Apparently I'm yours. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #124

Look dude, it's like this.... JTFrog Aug 2014 #129

It would be difficult to get Democrats elected ... Laelth Aug 2014 #135

And here comes another one. JTFrog Aug 2014 #136

From posts in another thread, a few people make it sound like Iron Man Aug 2014 #96

was that dismissive. all are mra, all are sexist? is that really what someone said? really? seabeyond Aug 2014 #105

You seem overly concerned about the calling out of MRA talking points. JTFrog Aug 2014 #122

Well written and completely true mcar Aug 2014 #89

!!!!!!!^^^^^^^^^!!!!!!! BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2014 #93

The issue is any opinion that a feminist here doesn't like is automatically considered misogynistic davidn3600 Aug 2014 #147

Nicely put. RiffRandell Aug 2014 #157

I think I can see your point. And I agree. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #273

Aren't 99.9999% of DU'ers against misogyny ? steve2470 Aug 2014 #150

No the amount of insults to feminist and feminism on this board boston bean Aug 2014 #152

maybe it's 90% of DU'ers ? steve2470 Aug 2014 #154

read through discussions and determine. boston bean Aug 2014 #156

one last sincere question steve2470 Aug 2014 #158

read this OP and I think you will be satisfied boston bean Aug 2014 #160

ok thanks ! nt steve2470 Aug 2014 #161

This may help. Laelth Aug 2014 #162

thanks ! nt steve2470 Aug 2014 #222

Yes, misogyny here: CreekDog Sep 2014 #278

thanks for that ! nt steve2470 Sep 2014 #295

Most are, yes. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #215

FOR SHIT'S SAKE Aerows Aug 2014 #217

I hope I can't get a reply hidden for agreeing with you. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #219

Indeed Aerows Aug 2014 #221

Aerows ... Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #234

Hide the thread if you have nothing constructive to add. Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #245

I'm part of the DU community, that is why Aerows Aug 2014 #260

Your post was a call out of everyone else on the thread. Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #263

Calling for sanity Aerows Aug 2014 #265

Now you're calling the other posters insane. Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #266

LOL Aerows Aug 2014 #267

In real life, law enforcement does not take sexual assault seriously. Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2014 #226

Unfortunately the internet is not really the real world WestCoastLib Aug 2014 #236

wrong. people stay quiet, it feeds and grows. that is absolutely the incorrect choice, imo. nt seabeyond Aug 2014 #243

People stay quiet because they are taught Aerows Sep 2014 #280

Yeah, I hang out in some less civilized parts of the internet, cemaphonic Aug 2014 #264

Kick, kick, kick! Heidi Aug 2014 #259

From the good people at Cracked (language warning)... SidDithers Sep 2014 #281