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Pholus

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27. On needing "intelligence programs" we agree.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 08:27 AM
Sep 2014

But you also need intelligent people leading the intelligence programs. Since President Obama used NOTHING but retread Bush era appointees we can take as a given we do NOT have intelligent people in those positions, nor is there any reason to believe that they are not simply continuing the PNAC vision for "controlling cyberspace" with the fig leaf of the FISA court, which LONG AFTER 2008 has been rumored to be completely ineffective in supervision. In other words, if 2008 was some kind of panacea, why is this discussion needed six years later?

http://www.ibtimes.com/nsa-fisa-controversy-congress-looks-reform-secret-court-1348875

My evidence that this is a MASSIVE failure in administration policy? Watching the spooks flail around some PR spin in the wake of being caught with their pants down -- ONCE AGAIN! When they needed an excuse it was Snowden's fault that we had insufficient analysts and ignored the satellite images showing troops massing and then had to overcompensate ex post facto with some "surge" of intelligence assets. And all the conservative authoritarians and Tom Clancy fans just ate that shit right up:

http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=3998

Intelligence work requires critical thinking and targeted data collection. The original "collect it all" strategy was valid in Iraq because it was a limited dataset with a definite threat. Trying to scale it up to watch everyone all the time seeking unspecified general threats might sound good in seen through the lens of DC cocktail party hangovers and it certainly sounds good to any number of beltway bandits' bottom lines but it means we are simply not spending our resources in any intelligent way.

We are not safer through the creation of huge data repositories and the promise of early "anomaly detection" software. What is a certainty is that the probability of our private communications being abused by a future conservative jackass to control or intimidate liberals approaches unity. This entire misguided project was put together to look good on a powerpoint slide and to cover asses, not because it was in any way the best way to protect the country.

The upshot? I want "signals intelligence" but where you cheer the first part and its expensive technology, I pine for the second part in the people running the program.

Glad YOU get to be happy at least.

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The cognitive dissonance is strong with those ones. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #1
+1 ismnotwasm Sep 2014 #2
Now This Would Be Epic daredtowork Sep 2014 #3
I think I found one. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #4
ROFL daredtowork Sep 2014 #5
Reddit has been censoring threads where people post the pictures. They were released by 4chan/b/ Electric Monk Sep 2014 #8
Well, women's concerns don't trump freedom, so not a privacy issue. kcr Sep 2014 #6
epic kick Blue_Tires Sep 2014 #7
Typical bully-boy cowards meow2u3 Sep 2014 #9
reddit is a very large website AngryAmish Sep 2014 #10
Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #11
Come on. Why did you feel the need to "look", much less editorialize about JLaw? catbyte Sep 2014 #16
Congratulations. cui bono Sep 2014 #20
Information wants to be free. Laelth Sep 2014 #12
Yes it does and yes, we do. antiquie Sep 2014 #18
So, the whole bit about privacy is basically bullshit kcr Sep 2014 #34
One or more people will probably go to prison for this recent leak. Laelth Sep 2014 #36
I'm sorry I misunderstood. kcr Sep 2014 #37
The tension between "free" and "expensive" will always be with us. Laelth Sep 2014 #38
I agree kcr Sep 2014 #39
Then please post your address and SSN below Recursion Sep 2014 #35
There is so much spin and government propaganda in that article, it is disgusting. 951-Riverside Sep 2014 #13
The problem is that the cloud isn't private and never will be. tinrobot Sep 2014 #14
Hey, I'm exactly the opposite! ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2014 #15
War is peace... 951-Riverside Sep 2014 #17
The problem with the NSA is more about them spying on ordinary citizens. cui bono Sep 2014 #19
I supported the 2008 reformation of the NSA ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2014 #22
On needing "intelligence programs" we agree. Pholus Sep 2014 #27
I have a different viewpoint as to why this is a "scandal" ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2014 #30
Sounds like your comedian is an idiot, frankly. Pholus Sep 2014 #31
The phrase "waste, fraud, and abuse" ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2014 #32
So it's as empty as your assurances that it's all peachy. Pholus Sep 2014 #33
The hacker said today that he or she is disappointed by the amount of money received for the images. jakeXT Sep 2014 #21
Why would the "media" pay for images they cannot legally show? ManiacJoe Sep 2014 #23
I think he is talking about user donations /nt jakeXT Sep 2014 #24
Ohhhhhh SCHNAPPPP!!!! Number23 Sep 2014 #25
Just the title won me over! freshwest Sep 2014 #29
Heck, the NSA RECRUITS from 4chan! Pholus Sep 2014 #26
Well said! n/t marym625 Sep 2014 #28
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