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CreekDog

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73. in a society where half or more of the population are slaves, it's a privilege not to be one

Tue Sep 2, 2014, 08:01 PM

Sep 2014

yes.

and in a nation where many millions were slaves, it is a privilege to not be one.

please understand that it's true whether you are convinced it is or not.

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If you don't believe there is white privilege in this country... [View all] CreekDog Sep 2014 OP

Good questions! BlueCaliDem Sep 2014 #1

Yes, thank you for that. CreekDog Sep 2014 #106

Oh dear no! JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #2

White privilege is like manmade global warming. There are people who don't believe it exists. But Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #3

many of the posters who dispute white privilege's existence also doubt global warming CreekDog Sep 2014 #6

True that AgingAmerican Sep 2014 #135

They both exist ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #49

Something something Oprah something. LeftyMom Sep 2014 #4

If only they would write that much! CreekDog Sep 2014 #5

Here's where your question fails, CreekDog. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #7

Actually I did consider that very issue CreekDog Sep 2014 #8

Hate to say it, but you might be giving them too much credit. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #11

except that is very easy to argue hfojvt Sep 2014 #64

Actually, in many societies throughout history, not being a slave *was* a relative privilege. nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #68

in a society where half or more of the population are slaves, it's a privilege not to be one CreekDog Sep 2014 #73

They admit it existed treestar Sep 2014 #19

So they'll argue there was no white privilege even when white people literally *owned* black people? nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #67

As well they should be: laughed out of the conversation. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #69

Have you stopped beating your wife? badtoworse Sep 2014 #9

Ahhh.... the Evasion Tactic. Not original nor clever, but still used in the gallery. LanternWaste Sep 2014 #10

you're saying that not believing in white privilege is just like being a wife beater? CreekDog Sep 2014 #12

We've discussed the issue before. I haven't changed my opinion. badtoworse Sep 2014 #25

So you think it doesn't and never has existed? ever? PeaceNikki Sep 2014 #33

That was racial discrimination and it was wrong. badtoworse Sep 2014 #35

So, whites had no additional "privilege" when this type of discrimination was the norm? PeaceNikki Sep 2014 #37

I don't accept that being treated fairly is a privilege. badtoworse Sep 2014 #39

Denial is not a river in Egypt ... chervilant Sep 2014 #50

It's not about fair treatment. If it were, fair would have extended to POCs. Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #105

well you don't accept lots of things that are true, what does that prove? CreekDog Sep 2014 #112

Why is this semantic hair-splitting so important to you (and others)? nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #70

Why don't you ask the folks who are twisting the clear meaning of words why they are doing it? badtoworse Sep 2014 #81

"Whatever they accomplished came at the expense of black people." nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #84

I'm interested in how you've responded here. gollygee Sep 2014 #88

I believe there is more involved than being asked for empathy... badtoworse Sep 2014 #98

you resent being asked for more than empathy, yet, where have you even expressed empathy? CreekDog Sep 2014 #113

"Whites getting a little bit of help here and there" brush Sep 2014 #160

I took it from the last paragraph of the post I replied to. badtoworse Sep 2014 #161

I'm not talking about reparations . . ., brush Sep 2014 #169

I saw actual signs like this posted in the "oh so good fifties and sixties." stage left Sep 2014 #43

Do you accept that white privilege existed at any point in the American experience? eom 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #51

I accept that racial discrimination and injustice have existed and still do. badtoworse Sep 2014 #54

Funny ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #56

I've never said that discrimination didn't put those affected by it at a disadvantage. badtoworse Sep 2014 #57

That's NOT what I wrote ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #58

You apparently see this as a zero sum game. badtoworse Sep 2014 #61

Seems to me it's more the "privilege deniers" who see this as a zero-sum game. nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #85

Bingo! ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #87

Maybe if people weren't so damn either/or in their thinking, it wouldn't be such a problem. nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #89

Or better ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #101

That too. nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #104

It is a zero sum ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #86

"...logic dictates that those not negatively impacted, accrue a systemic benefit" badtoworse Sep 2014 #92

Let's simply things a bit gollygee Sep 2014 #97

Assuming that scenario played out on the scale you suggest, there would be a systemic benefit. badtoworse Sep 2014 #100

Your "argument" is getting more and more bazaar ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #117

Let's make the scenario more accurate ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #108

I had started with scenarios gollygee Sep 2014 #109

Exactly ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #118

You strongly disagree based on a hypothetical that has no basis in reality ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #102

You're making my point: Consider Thomas in relation to what you posted in #86 badtoworse Sep 2014 #134

I'm sorry; but this ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #146

I'm starting to regret wading into this again badtoworse Sep 2014 #162

I agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #163

But the other half of it, is that those *not* disadvantaged, are therefore advantaged by default. nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #72

See Post 61 badtoworse Sep 2014 #82

No, not really. Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #14

k&r nt steve2470 Sep 2014 #13

Sorry to go off topic, brer cat Sep 2014 #26

oh, glad you enjoy :) steve2470 Sep 2014 #28

Even better when I opened it in it's own page. GeorgeGist Sep 2014 #34

I didn't believe it until I learned to view it objectively, rather than as an accusation. conservaphobe Sep 2014 #15

im not white, but I look white Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #40

Very good conservaphobe ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #52

that's helpful. because it isn't an accusation CreekDog Sep 2014 #114

It exists, of course, but so does black privilege. Vattel Sep 2014 #16

black privilege ? please elaborate, thank you kindly nt steve2470 Sep 2014 #18

for example, having lower academic standards for admission to a university Vattel Sep 2014 #20

I'll let the AA posters discuss this with you steve2470 Sep 2014 #22

Holy shit, you call Affirmative Action "Black Privilege"?? PeaceNikki Sep 2014 #23

I am pro affirmative action Vattel Sep 2014 #24

Do you have any idea how paltry affirmative action efforts are and how little impact they’ve had on PeaceNikki Sep 2014 #27

I agree with all of this. Vattel Sep 2014 #30

wow, that's fucked up. PeaceNikki Sep 2014 #31

You could explain to me why I am wrong. Vattel Sep 2014 #32

Sorry, but it seems futile to debate anyone who would call AA "black privilege". PeaceNikki Sep 2014 #36

Because you wish to fight ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #122

I've got an example JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #125

It was explained to you!!!!!!!!!!! heaven05 Sep 2014 #141

My only concern is that the fight against racism might be Vattel Sep 2014 #149

right heaven05 Sep 2014 #151

Hi Nikki. I think you need to cut Vattel some slack... Anansi1171 Sep 2014 #44

lol, I will "f-bomb" when and where I please, thanks! PeaceNikki Sep 2014 #47

Not only that but many measures have noted that BY FAR the vast majority of beneficiaries Number23 Sep 2014 #93

White women gollygee Sep 2014 #95

True this Number23 JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #126

when racism against nonwhites is broad, the privilege associated with being white just as broad CreekDog Sep 2014 #38

Yep, for every disadvantage there's a corresponding advantage. It's that simple. n/t nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #78

"We really shouldn’t think of affirmative action as a matter of racial preference, so much as a nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #77

So very true and fine retort heaven05 Sep 2014 #140

This is another example of how using the word "privilege" tends to be unhelpful Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #41

unhelpful to whom? CreekDog Sep 2014 #46

... nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #79

Yeppers... chervilant Sep 2014 #110

Have you considered WHY the term is "unhelpful"? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #123

No affirmative action program is an example of black privilege. Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #107

Yes, but refreshingly honest. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #120

what are your educational credentials? noiretextatique Sep 2014 #65

Cite to a single University/College that has a LOWER admission criteria ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #119

Amen 1Strong JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #127

No university has race-based standards. But in effect the admission Vattel Sep 2014 #167

Are you stating opinion as fact? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #172

"Black privilege"? NuclearDem Sep 2014 #21

I think you're misinterpreting "privilege" cyberswede Sep 2014 #59

If I am a black person from a wealthy family Vattel Sep 2014 #96

No gollygee Sep 2014 #99

At most the study you cite suggests a racial bias in the verbal part of the test. Vattel Sep 2014 #103

No, there is no black privilege. Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #63

AA wasn't a "privilege" it was a redress for centuries of white privilege noiretextatique Sep 2014 #66

So how do you define white privilege? Vattel Sep 2014 #90

being able to deny white privilege heaven05 Sep 2014 #142

I don't deny it Vattel Sep 2014 #147

right heaven05 Sep 2014 #148

I take it you don't do too well on reading comprehension tests. Vattel Sep 2014 #150

it's your right to try to insult me heaven05 Sep 2014 #152

How am I supposed to respond to someone who just denies that I believe what Vattel Sep 2014 #155

should I keep responding heaven05 Sep 2014 #164

As I said, I am in favor of affirmative action. Vattel Sep 2014 #166

last gasp, grabbing at straws heaven05 Sep 2014 #139

This is not the place to ask treestar Sep 2014 #17

Oh, we wish. KitSileya Sep 2014 #128

That is a good question, CreekDog. brer cat Sep 2014 #29

I'm a white latino Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #45

I guess it is mainly appearance. brer cat Sep 2014 #48

i think the term generally refers to white, not of Hispanic origin CreekDog Sep 2014 #76

The usual argument against "white privilege"; I was raised poor too does not add up. gordianot Sep 2014 #42

Off to the trash heap with this thread. CANDO Sep 2014 #53

WTF??!! This thread was posted as a way for people to REALLY think about what the recent Ecumenist Sep 2014 #55

you aren't the victim in this thread CreekDog Sep 2014 #74

That poster once told a black poster to "get a job" and stop complaining Number23 Sep 2014 #94

So if you reject the "privilege" framing, how would *you* frame unequal treatment of the races? nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #80

yep, you go on to where you desire to be heaven05 Sep 2014 #145

When Steve Perry left Journey. Dr. Strange Sep 2014 #60

THREAD WIN!!! madinmaryland Sep 2014 #71

Well...who made more money, Steve Perry or the current guy? CreekDog Sep 2014 #116

Steve Augeri replaced Steve Perry rbrnmw Sep 2014 #138

you know whats funny to me Quayblue Sep 2014 #62

First of creek, does any on the board actually believe "white privilege" does not exist... madinmaryland Sep 2014 #75

what? CreekDog Sep 2014 #124

It's not a matter of "belief." 99Forever Sep 2014 #83

If you don't believe in the tooth fairy Odious justice Sep 2014 #91

I have added four people to my IL chervilant Sep 2014 #111

thank you for the compliments CreekDog Sep 2014 #115

Oh look another act if Internet courage. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #121

Just talking about a topic that liberals generally agree on CreekDog Sep 2014 #129

Is that who "us" is Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #130

maybe you can explain why you feel so excluded on DU. CreekDog Sep 2014 #131

I don't. Thanks. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #132

I don't define "us" as liberals, Democratic Underground does, what's your problem with that? CreekDog Sep 2014 #133

I've made my points. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #136

meaning you didn't even know that Democratic Underground was for liberals CreekDog Sep 2014 #137

really. You needed to pm this as well? Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #154

it was a reply to your last PM to me CreekDog Sep 2014 #156

Sure about that? Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #157

glad you're such a stickler for accuracy CreekDog Sep 2014 #158

OMG Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #159

Boom. Lex Sep 2014 #143

S'up buddy? Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #153

Why do you hate the fact heaven05 Sep 2014 #165

How did you jump to the conclusion Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #168

maybe you don't speak for as many people here as you think CreekDog Sep 2014 #170

I haven't argued anything contextually about the thread Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #171

*hat tip* Lex Sep 2014 #144