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In reply to the discussion: If you don't believe in (recognize) white privilege why the fuck are you on a Democratic Forum? [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)157. You got to the heart of the matter. Here's more like what you said so well here:
Ferguson isnt about black rage against cops. Its white rage against progress.
When we look back on what happened in Ferguson, Mo., during the summer of 2014, it will be easy to think of it as yet one more episode of black rage ignited by yet another police killing of an unarmed African American male. But that has it precisely backward. What weve actually seen is the latest outbreak of white rage. Sure, it is cloaked in the niceties of law and order, but it is rage nonetheless.
Protests and looting naturally capture attention. But the real rage smolders in meetings where officials redraw precincts to dilute African American voting strength or seek to slash the government payrolls that have long served as sources of black employment. It goes virtually unnoticed, however, because white rage doesnt have to take to the streets and face rubber bullets to be heard. Instead, white rage carries an aura of respectability and has access to the courts, police, legislatures and governors, who cast its efforts as noble, though they are actually driven by the most ignoble motivations.
White rage recurs in American history. It exploded after the Civil War, erupted again to undermine the Supreme Courts Brown v. Board of Education decision and took on its latest incarnation with Barack Obamas ascent to the White House. For every action of African American advancement, theres a reaction, a backlash.
The Norths victory in the Civil War did not bring peace. Instead, emancipation brought white resentment that the good ol days of black subjugation were over. Legislatures throughout the South scrambled to reinscribe white supremacy and restore the aura of legitimacy that the anti-slavery campaign had tarnished. Lawmakers in several states created the Black Codes, which effectively criminalized blackness, sanctioned forced labor and undermined every tenet of democracy. Even the federal authorities promise of 40 acres land seized from traitors who had tried to destroy the United States of America crumbled like dust...
Much more at the link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ferguson-wasnt-black-rage-against-copsit-was-white-rage-against-progress/2014/08/29/3055e3f4-2d75-11e4-bb9b-997ae96fad33_story.html
Found this through a DU thread posted by Sheshe:
Beyond Ferguson: Understanding the big picture
It's a good OP and also refers to this link:
http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2014/08/beyond-ferguson-understanding-big.html
The thread is here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025467105
Virtually no response on a vital subject. The goals of the Democratic Party are not valued by the Libertarians and Republicans trolling DU.
Conservative jumped on DU from the time it was founded and disrupted heavily, despite many measures being put in place but these guys are not going to stop. Ever.
Your OP and the articles express what I've called for at DU several times. Progressives, unlike Libertarians and Republicans posting here to smear and demoralize Democrats, would not ignore the chance to listen to the experiences of blacks, they embrace them as kindred as the DNC platform does.
Those of other hues need the aid of blacks to succeed at progressive goals. Alienating blacks by dismissing their anger at injustice is not what a Democrat does. We are supporting social justice for all, none excluded.
As Bain's Bane has said:
Dismissing the rights and concerns of people of color and women is reactionary. It is way more reactionary than Third Way. There is nothing progressive or liberal about it, and I don't consider people who do so to be leftists. Period.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025216329#post457
I don't see Democrats doing what I've seen here at DU in real life.
When we look back on what happened in Ferguson, Mo., during the summer of 2014, it will be easy to think of it as yet one more episode of black rage ignited by yet another police killing of an unarmed African American male. But that has it precisely backward. What weve actually seen is the latest outbreak of white rage. Sure, it is cloaked in the niceties of law and order, but it is rage nonetheless.
Protests and looting naturally capture attention. But the real rage smolders in meetings where officials redraw precincts to dilute African American voting strength or seek to slash the government payrolls that have long served as sources of black employment. It goes virtually unnoticed, however, because white rage doesnt have to take to the streets and face rubber bullets to be heard. Instead, white rage carries an aura of respectability and has access to the courts, police, legislatures and governors, who cast its efforts as noble, though they are actually driven by the most ignoble motivations.
White rage recurs in American history. It exploded after the Civil War, erupted again to undermine the Supreme Courts Brown v. Board of Education decision and took on its latest incarnation with Barack Obamas ascent to the White House. For every action of African American advancement, theres a reaction, a backlash.
The Norths victory in the Civil War did not bring peace. Instead, emancipation brought white resentment that the good ol days of black subjugation were over. Legislatures throughout the South scrambled to reinscribe white supremacy and restore the aura of legitimacy that the anti-slavery campaign had tarnished. Lawmakers in several states created the Black Codes, which effectively criminalized blackness, sanctioned forced labor and undermined every tenet of democracy. Even the federal authorities promise of 40 acres land seized from traitors who had tried to destroy the United States of America crumbled like dust...
Much more at the link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ferguson-wasnt-black-rage-against-copsit-was-white-rage-against-progress/2014/08/29/3055e3f4-2d75-11e4-bb9b-997ae96fad33_story.html
Found this through a DU thread posted by Sheshe:
Beyond Ferguson: Understanding the big picture
It's a good OP and also refers to this link:
http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2014/08/beyond-ferguson-understanding-big.html
The thread is here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025467105
Virtually no response on a vital subject. The goals of the Democratic Party are not valued by the Libertarians and Republicans trolling DU.
Conservative jumped on DU from the time it was founded and disrupted heavily, despite many measures being put in place but these guys are not going to stop. Ever.
Your OP and the articles express what I've called for at DU several times. Progressives, unlike Libertarians and Republicans posting here to smear and demoralize Democrats, would not ignore the chance to listen to the experiences of blacks, they embrace them as kindred as the DNC platform does.
Those of other hues need the aid of blacks to succeed at progressive goals. Alienating blacks by dismissing their anger at injustice is not what a Democrat does. We are supporting social justice for all, none excluded.
As Bain's Bane has said:
Dismissing the rights and concerns of people of color and women is reactionary. It is way more reactionary than Third Way. There is nothing progressive or liberal about it, and I don't consider people who do so to be leftists. Period.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025216329#post457
I don't see Democrats doing what I've seen here at DU in real life.
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If you don't believe in (recognize) white privilege why the fuck are you on a Democratic Forum? [View all]
Cad Bane
Sep 2014
OP
and you see heaven, that's how it's done. turn the issue back onto the person who is offended and
locdlib
Sep 2014
#345
so kick us all to the curb and you will never get to a utopian world,
Nobel_Twaddle_III
Sep 2014
#321
Regardless of your opinion, pro-gun Democrats have every right to be on a Democratic forum.
NutmegYankee
Sep 2014
#306
I am not against guns for well regulated hunting, for indigenous sustenance, national self defence.
Fred Sanders
Sep 2014
#215
The gunners and the enabling media have made the issue tribal, one camp or the other, and
Fred Sanders
Sep 2014
#272
Thanks for the info., I will be sure be better prepared for my next post, thanks again.....
Fred Sanders
Sep 2014
#270
Gotta level up, Fred-it's never good to have one's posts seem rote...
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2014
#274
Even as a very young boy, I knew that I was seen as "acceptable" with other people.
BlueJazz
Sep 2014
#4
A range of viewpoints thast includes "moron" tends to not foster great discussion
Scootaloo
Sep 2014
#32
The problem is that many people think someone with a different opinion is a moron.
Psephos
Sep 2014
#35
+1! You forgot the guy that believes the temperature on Mars is the same as on the Earth.
Enthusiast
Sep 2014
#255
Maybe you should make a list of all those that you think should be banned. It would
rhett o rick
Sep 2014
#38
Climate Change deniers are idiots but not comparable to white privilege deniers imo.
Cad Bane
Sep 2014
#12
Agree, in two generations no one will be around to worry about white privilege.
Katashi_itto
Sep 2014
#207
Exactly. Or the rights of women, labor, disabled, children and any other protections we have.
raouldukelives
Sep 2014
#228
You got to the heart of the matter. Here's more like what you said so well here:
freshwest
Sep 2014
#157
There is always a chance to learn, if one is not blinded by fear. A lot of folks need to learn this.
freshwest
Sep 2014
#286
Perhaps what they reject is that they PRESUME privilege. Presumption of privilege is apparent to any
ancianita
Sep 2014
#229
Yeah, that is nuts. I was surprised to run across one here the other day. nt
raouldukelives
Sep 2014
#227
It is quite possible. There are many genuine progressives who do not believe in WP.
AverageJoe90
Sep 2014
#16
Actually his point was that ALL of them do, and if you don't you can't be a Dem
Doctor_J
Sep 2014
#329
Everybody loves STFUstarter. It's the hot new craze that's sweeping the internet!
LeftyMom
Sep 2014
#125
There's a lot of BS in what you just wrote. Most of it extremely offensive and ignorant.
Cad Bane
Sep 2014
#27
I have seen NOTHING that sums up that person's needlessly relentless stupidity better than this
Number23
Sep 2014
#382
They were beaten for questioning, advocating against authority. Big difference.
WCLinolVir
Sep 2014
#221
Wait, you're suggesting we need to worry about what Bill O'Reilly says, LOL.
bettyellen
Sep 2014
#49
White privilege has been "a thing" since well before this country was founded.
cui bono
Sep 2014
#53
To be able to walk into a store, even late at night, and not be viewed or followed as suspicious
tblue37
Sep 2014
#56
I think it's more of an ignorance thing, we're products of our environment.
fleabiscuit
Sep 2014
#76
I'm wondering which RW talk pundit uses that phrase daily. Beck, Boortz, Rush, Hannity, Brillo?
freshwest
Sep 2014
#292
And that's disturbing because their entire educational, employment, financial and social life...
freshwest
Sep 2014
#294
Yeah, but the "really rotten underbelly" comment smacks of irredeemability. Not cool.
ancianita
Sep 2014
#236
Oh, really. Democrats reject presuming or endorsing white privilege. That's not the same as
ancianita
Sep 2014
#237
Perhaps you've missed the entire history of the USA if you don't think people of a certain ethnic
cui bono
Sep 2014
#60
Because the progressive institutions we cherish were produced by it and maintain it
Recursion
Sep 2014
#31
Well, again, Coates covers this very well and I can't write it better than he did
Recursion
Sep 2014
#107
"Those are some astonishing claims about the New Deal." And they're pretty much all B.S., too.
AverageJoe90
Sep 2014
#112
It is strange watching "progressives" spout RWing talking points about the New Deal
Rex
Sep 2014
#358
Well, I dunno about one thing, Rex: He did seem sincere to me, to be honest.
AverageJoe90
Sep 2014
#373
I hate to say this, but truthfully, there are a *number* of problems with this post.
AverageJoe90
Sep 2014
#118
Because people of all political views are prone to defensiveness, unfortunately. nt
LeftyMom
Sep 2014
#37
When I hear someone say "White Privelage" all I hear is someone hating me because of my "skin color"
DesertFaux
Sep 2014
#40
Well then you need to open your eyes and ears and educate yourself because your ignorance
cui bono
Sep 2014
#63
Well, I'd like to say, truthfully, that many people who believe in it aren't like that.
AverageJoe90
Sep 2014
#77
WTF? HATRED?!! Where the hell is that coming from? And BTW, UNLESS there are
Ecumenist
Sep 2014
#205
Thank you for the comment. I just wanted to point out to that woman that what she said made
Ecumenist
Sep 2014
#317
Yes, I noticed that too. I could NOT figure out why she felt it necessary to blurt out
Ecumenist
Sep 2014
#326
And you will tell us that your authoritarianism belongs in the Democratic Party? nm
rhett o rick
Sep 2014
#44
Suggestion: in the title you might consider changing "believe IN white privilege"
Ken Burch
Sep 2014
#52
from what I understand, most of them understand racism as an issue, but do not prioritise it because
bettyellen
Sep 2014
#57
I know. but yeah I keep reading here that if we fix Wall St, then we'll ll be doing so much better
bettyellen
Sep 2014
#78
I realize he probably didn't mean it that way, but it can sound like it, at least in some contexts.
AverageJoe90
Sep 2014
#162
A) The "list" is hardly secret. B) Nobody's being "attacked" just asked to recognize it, and
Recursion
Sep 2014
#127
I cannot believe how freaking literal-minded people are. Kind of makes me doubt their intellect. nt
nomorenomore08
Sep 2014
#142
"I think my views are in line with that of the Democratic Party." They are not.
AverageJoe90
Sep 2014
#101
So downplaying racial inequality is a Democratic value? Not in my book. n/t
nomorenomore08
Sep 2014
#141
And fringe-left historical revisionism has apparently become acceptable.....
AverageJoe90
Sep 2014
#124
You mean the idea that the New Deal permanently (thus far) staved off a more radical socialist
nomorenomore08
Sep 2014
#147
I haven't actually read the book. I was thinking more of general leftist critiques of the New Deal.
nomorenomore08
Sep 2014
#200
Yes, DU can be amusing, like when someone said that the Clean Air Act doesn't apply to San Francisco
CreekDog
Sep 2014
#243
"Your hostility and arrogance is noted." The irony abounds here, sad to say. nt
AverageJoe90
Sep 2014
#114
Do you worry about being randomly shot by a cop or homeowner while walking down the street?
Recursion
Sep 2014
#132
So was it a checkpoint? You were just cruising along? They were cruising you?
Behind the Aegis
Sep 2014
#156
Easy: whites are pulled over and searched by police at vastly lower rates than blacks
Recursion
Sep 2014
#150
"People are naturally suspicious of black folks because of their disproportionate crime rate."
AverageJoe90
Sep 2014
#196
Yeah, it's hard for you to believe that I don't fit into your favorite little box, huh? nt
AverageJoe90
Sep 2014
#176
Honest question for you-What about those of us who did believe, once, but now don't?
AverageJoe90
Sep 2014
#180
Well, for one thing, I'm glad to hear your parents also saw the light of egalitarianism. =)
AverageJoe90
Sep 2014
#197
According to the TOS, DU is here in order to support politicians with a "D" after their name.
djean111
Sep 2014
#193
I disagree with you re: white privilege, but I support social justice myself.
AverageJoe90
Sep 2014
#289
lol...who am I? who are you? oh wait, a 9 year old home with a runny nose I'm guessing...
pipoman
Sep 2014
#357
Yes, we did reject it. The reality of privilege objectively exists regardless of anyone's "feeling."
ancianita
Sep 2014
#225
I neither agree nor disagree but would put the number more at a few thousand and 49th. /nt
Dragonfli
Sep 2014
#248
A returnee possibly as other past posts show, but that is allowed on DU3 unless they try to disrupt
Dragonfli
Sep 2014
#251
I guess rec'ing this makes people feel all warm and fuzzy that, "yeah, I'm not a racist
Damansarajaya
Sep 2014
#250
Amen - except I don't understand why anyone would think that "Democrats"
bread_and_roses
Sep 2014
#264
If a white man drives or walks down the street and doesn't get hassled by the fuzz, while your
Enthusiast
Sep 2014
#268
Well I think that a person with low posting numbers should just keep quiet
Android3.14
Sep 2014
#302
I've wondered about that subject. Ditto about people who have a hard time recognizing sexism.
merrily
Sep 2014
#352