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xchrom

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Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:10 AM Sep 2014

Confessions of a recovering Libertarian: How I escaped a world of Ron Paul hero worship [View all]

http://www.salon.com/2014/09/03/confessions_of_a_recovering_libertarian_how_i_escaped_a_world_of_ron_paul_hero_worship/



When I was 15, I was that kid people wanted to punch in the face. I sent emails to Wolf Blitzer and Glenn Beck asking them just how in the world they could’ve said the Libertarian Party was “fringe.” I booed when my classmate mentioned the New Deal in a presentation on “The Great Gatsby.” When my Ron Paul 2008 sweat shirt went missing on a family vacation, I immediately implicated the CIA in the abduction.

I am not that kid anymore, which bodes well for the continued integrity of my facial structure. My views haven’t changed as much as you might expect; I maintain that centralized government power, whether in the economic or social sphere, results in corruption and abuse more often than not. But when people ask me where I stand ideologically, I cringe at the thought of responding with “freedom” or “limited government,” phrases that I once seemed destined to have tattooed on my forehead. Now, I’m more likely to stammer for a few seconds before coming up with something like, “Hey, uh, it’s pretty sunny out there today, no?”

People always told me that my staunch libertarianism would erode when I went to college and saw the world through a wider lens. I didn’t believe them, just like I didn’t believe their claims that Ron Paul would fall short of the presidency, but we know how that turned out. Contrary to how the story often goes, there was no professor, classmate or piece of reading that exhorted me toward neoconservatism or Marxism. Instead, it was consorting with my fellow libertarians that drove me away.

My realization of the libertarian tragedy began, as most tragedies do, with social media. I attended college in Washington, D.C., a place that may not appeal to libertarians as much as it does to mainstream partisans, but still has a fair number of freedom-minded folks who call it home. When I was accepted for study, I connected with my school’s College Libertarians Facebook group. They were a tight-knit bunch, but they embraced my eagerness to join their ranks. Soon, my Facebook feed was filled with all kinds of Ayn Rand quotes and Gadsden flags. Posts like the one claiming that public schools, the very institutions that employed many of my family members, were “replete with agents of state-orchestrated indoctrination” (good job with the SAT words there, guys) were enough to keep me from ever showing up to a College Libertarians meeting.
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Huh, really? Rassah Sep 2014 #1
lol, seems like place dedicated to getting Democrats elected is not a good fit for you. PeaceNikki Sep 2014 #3
Meh, it doesn't matter really Rassah Sep 2014 #4
Earlier today, you posted to me on another thread that you did not really hang out here. merrily Sep 2014 #41
Come back to hang out where I used to? Rassah Sep 2014 #44
Good question! merrily Sep 2014 #33
On what planet does voting for Obama twice make you "far left"? LeftyMom Sep 2014 #5
It doesn't make me "far right," does it? Rassah Sep 2014 #11
Moderate? Center-left? LeftyMom Sep 2014 #13
I'm also a gay married atheist who was in my university's feminist club, and am pro-immigration Rassah Sep 2014 #17
Yeah, I don't think you're a far right anarchocapitalist. JaneyVee Sep 2014 #40
omg! tazkcmo Sep 2014 #68
You know this is a board for people who vote Democratic, right? merrily Sep 2014 #34
You were the one who cited voting for Obama as evidence that you were far left. merrily Sep 2014 #46
Of course! Rassah Sep 2014 #51
I am going by YOUR words, just as Lefty Mom did and again, you don't respond to the actual point. merrily Sep 2014 #52
Uh... Rassah Sep 2014 #58
Nope. I started to make assumptions the very first time you replied to me. merrily Sep 2014 #63
Maybe he belongs to the "Purposely Obtuse" Party. blue neen Sep 2014 #71
I'm glad you and other posters thought he or she was violating the TOS, too. merrily Sep 2014 #72
It does, actually Warpy Sep 2014 #57
Yep, I'm aware, and I didn't support them on those issues either. Rassah Sep 2014 #61
Far-Left? I was thinking Far-Sighted. CreekDog Sep 2014 #53
ugh -- dumb people can't argue so alert instead jollyreaper2112 Sep 2014 #6
Really? blue neen Sep 2014 #7
Is there a rule that says they can't? jollyreaper2112 Sep 2014 #8
Yes. The terms of service. LeftyMom Sep 2014 #14
Yes, there is. blue neen Sep 2014 #16
Well, it's a good thing then... Rassah Sep 2014 #20
Well, that's all very special, but blue neen Sep 2014 #24
Heh, sorry, it sounded like you were saying libertarians don't belong here Rassah Sep 2014 #28
People who have changed their minds about voting Democratic don't belong here. merrily Sep 2014 #48
It doesn't mean I'm voting Republican Rassah Sep 2014 #54
Um, I didn't say you were voting Republican. merrily Sep 2014 #56
You "may just vote less in general." blue neen Sep 2014 #62
I'm here to learn about issues, and discuss other issues Rassah Sep 2014 #64
Stop being coy. blue neen Sep 2014 #69
The best way is to vote for them??? Rassah Sep 2014 #70
That's correct. Libertarians don't belong here. blue neen Sep 2014 #73
Maybe you'd like The Discussionist better. All points of view are welcome there. merrily Sep 2014 #55
I'm not your enemy Rassah Sep 2014 #59
And, to carry that further, fucking is just about the OPPOSITE closeupready Sep 2014 #36
here's the thing jollyreaper2112 Sep 2014 #74
Depends on how he or she votes, I guess. merrily Sep 2014 #35
This poster says he/she went from voting Democratic to Libertarian and then past merrily Sep 2014 #50
Stupid people apparently formed the jury pool on that Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #9
Thanks. I'll keep my own personal history private Rassah Sep 2014 #12
If you consider yourself an "anarchocapitalist"? Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #18
Except I support about 95% of the same goals you guys do Rassah Sep 2014 #19
If you believe in protecting the environment and stopping corporate greed? Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #21
On the contrary... Rassah Sep 2014 #25
You're either ignorant, or stupid. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #75
Early corporations, sure Rassah Sep 2014 #82
Lots of people changed from being Republican because the way the Party has changed made them merrily Sep 2014 #38
I think that may make him more of a libertarian... Rassah Sep 2014 #42
I think he was saying he grew up. JaneyVee Sep 2014 #43
There is also a rule in the TOS about voting Democratic. merrily Sep 2014 #49
Cool story bro Caretha Sep 2014 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Sep 2014 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Rassah Sep 2014 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Sep 2014 #31
Did you make your millions on Wall Street or elsewhere? randys1 Sep 2014 #27
Not a millionaire yet Rassah Sep 2014 #29
Then you aren't a capitalist, you work for one though or you will someday randys1 Sep 2014 #65
Who are the capitalists by your definition? Rassah Sep 2014 #67
A true capitalist is someone who is moving around millions or tens of millions and more. randys1 Sep 2014 #78
Hmm, well that's your definition of a capitalist Rassah Sep 2014 #79
Dont believe it, the real capitalists want you to think you are one of them, you are not randys1 Sep 2014 #80
Actually I am Rassah Sep 2014 #83
You know the loonies in Occupy were Democrats? How? merrily Sep 2014 #32
Sorry, I didn't mean that all Occupy were loonies Rassah Sep 2014 #37
That was not what I asked. Even if there were two "loonies" in Occupy, you assumed they were Dems. merrily Sep 2014 #39
True... Rassah Sep 2014 #45
My pleasure. merrily Sep 2014 #47
"Anarchocapitalist" - seriously? IdaBriggs Sep 2014 #60
*sigh* Simplified caricatures, nothing more. Rassah Sep 2014 #66
Libertarians and Democrats "want the exact same goals"??? Stargleamer Sep 2014 #77
The methods are different, but the goals are still the same. Rassah Sep 2014 #81
Thankfully, his mind outgrew the petulance of greed codified into law. LanternWaste Sep 2014 #2
The problem is that Libertarians are all talk and no action. MindPilot Sep 2014 #10
Captive government.... Rassah Sep 2014 #15
I think most libertarians just abandoned all hope for the government Rassah Sep 2014 #84
He's still a libertarian MFrohike Sep 2014 #22
Libertarians - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves. baldguy Sep 2014 #76
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