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karynnj

(59,475 posts)
71. Note that the same "he's too weak" was NOT made of GWB when beheadings happened then
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 12:11 PM
Sep 2014

Instead the anger was focused on those doing it.

As to this site having a majority opinion that Obama is "too brilliant for words", stay around and read more. It is definitely not that monolithic. In addition, it is clear that even as the Republicans are uniformly against Obama, the official Democrats have, in the second term, felt freer to speak and legislate against the Obama policies. Here, it is not blind following of Obama that means that more of us side with Obama against - say Menendez leading an effort to increase sanctions on Iran while we are negotiating with them - it is dominantly anti war DU position has always had.

What Obama is doing in Iran and Ukraine is pretty close to what many Democrats wanted in the 8 Bush years. It is a policy that really does form real coalitions and uses diplomacy or economic means to try to avoid war. With ISIS, the goal is to get a comprehensive, coordinated response from the region, backed by international powers. The reason the countries in the region have to be the main part of a solution is that this is first and foremost their problem - even if western powers share major blame for how we got to this point because of the Bush wars or colonial mistakes (and offenses).

When Obama has considered military options, especially a tactical strike on Syria in response to using chemical weapons, the response here was thunderous and very negative. Many have still not forgiven Obama (or even more so Kerry) for even considering it and are loathe to give any credit to them that it led to the removal of chemical weapons, which by now, could have been in ISIS hands. There are many here who would prefer that the US withdraw from most or all issues in this area - including for various posters some combinations of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria and Israel. These are sincere, long held positions that these posters have advocated since they joined DU - and they deserve credit for not accepting under Obama what they hated under Bush.

I think few would disagree with your view of the state of the world. It is clear that the world is in turmoil and lashing out against those who are in power because they failed to make things safe is entirely understandable. It does ignore that the roots of every one of these problems was there long before Obama. It also ignores that there may not have been any set of actions by the US that would have led to better results.

It irritates me a bit, but I'm so used to being a "news digger" that I expect it. MADem Sep 2014 #1
I cannot see it as anything but racism. PBO will always be illegimate for not obeying them. freshwest Sep 2014 #20
Oh, hell yes, that too! Yes We Tan! Who's that on the GOLF course? MADem Sep 2014 #21
Good analysis of the last couple of weeks flamingdem Sep 2014 #2
Any announcement made of a successful mission is mostly met with silence. TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #3
Wasn't Obama who said "Assad must go"? former9thward Sep 2014 #13
He did, and that was his fault for listening to the dumbasses in TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #14
Well I agree (I think) with you that we should not intervene in Syria. former9thward Sep 2014 #27
If Assad were to go... YvonneCa Sep 2014 #41
I have been to Syria three times. former9thward Sep 2014 #46
One, of many, skills GWB lacked was... YvonneCa Sep 2014 #47
First of all I don't have alot of original ideas of my own to stop Isis.... wercal Sep 2014 #4
Putin and Assad let them flourish. It was their strategy to defeat the "good" rebels TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #5
It's Putin's fault! CJCRANE Sep 2014 #8
Actually, since Putin has been propping up, supplying, and advising the TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #9
But who supported the rebels in the first place? CJCRANE Sep 2014 #11
Sunni Arabs, mostly. But I noticed a while back that the same hysterical Russian TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #12
But even the official reports say that other rebel groups joined ISIS. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #15
ISIS served the purposes of Assad, Putin, and Iran (friend of Assad). To a point. TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #17
It wasn't even called ISIS back then. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #18
Assorted bad guys, left over from the good old days of AQ in Iraq, who saw TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #19
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Peacetrain Sep 2014 #34
Great post Twilight Gardener. n/t truedelphi Sep 2014 #31
"yet" ?? Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #6
Our chicken sh*t media has a ton of Wellstone ruled Sep 2014 #7
Today's MSM is almost worse than it was in the Bush era. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #10
One reason I don't care that much is that Doctor_J Sep 2014 #16
------ heaven05 Sep 2014 #26
is that good or bad? Doctor_J Sep 2014 #28
They get better ratings Mr.Bill Sep 2014 #22
a thousand recs for this OP. Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #23
Progress And The Middle East Is An Oxymoron cantbeserious Sep 2014 #24
thank you for the sanity heaven05 Sep 2014 #25
DiFi's reaction was not knee-jerk Doctor_J Sep 2014 #30
can't disagree heaven05 Sep 2014 #33
In your post, you claim that "We never had Iraq." ??:?? truedelphi Sep 2014 #29
I know that and it is poor wording - I meant they were not ours to lose - they were independent karynnj Sep 2014 #37
are you really so smitten the you accuse the media of *siding with ISIS*? MisterP Sep 2014 #32
Of course not, where did you get that insane idea? karynnj Sep 2014 #35
And are you so against reality.. that you accuse karyn of that? Cha Sep 2014 #53
I think the President and SOS Kerry... YvonneCa Sep 2014 #36
Agreed karynnj Sep 2014 #38
And... YvonneCa Sep 2014 #39
I agree with you War Horse Sep 2014 #40
And amazingly, it's one of many... YvonneCa Sep 2014 #43
"Who lost Syria?" or "who lost Iraq?" Veilex Sep 2014 #42
You might want to reread the OP... YvonneCa Sep 2014 #44
Just reacting to the title... Veilex Sep 2014 #55
I have done that myself... YvonneCa Sep 2014 #57
No worries... I may have deserved it. At least a little. This time. ;) Veilex Sep 2014 #60
... YvonneCa Sep 2014 #63
That was my point karynnj Sep 2014 #50
Noted... pardon me while I go read Veilex Sep 2014 #56
... YvonneCa Sep 2014 #58
It's not just the media, pundits and politicians carry on cheapdate Sep 2014 #45
Deliberately lying. Side of given issue... YvonneCa Sep 2014 #48
I do think some of the cheap shots are clearly dishonest karynnj Sep 2014 #54
This should be Trending on the Home Page and high on the Great Page. XP'd it to get more K&R's. freshwest Sep 2014 #49
yes tazkcmo Sep 2014 #51
The "media"'s MO has only gotten exponentially worse since I dropped it in 2002.. Thank Cha Sep 2014 #52
Great thread, karynnj! Thank you. n/t YvonneCa Sep 2014 #59
Thank you and others who joined the discussion nt karynnj Sep 2014 #62
You can't be serious... sendero Sep 2014 #61
Excellent post, thank you The Blue Flower Sep 2014 #64
thank you for your spot on perspective hopemountain Sep 2014 #65
I'm sure the parents of Steven Sotloff are very happy with the real progress that has been made. egduj Sep 2014 #66
Idiotic cheap shot karynnj Sep 2014 #67
True BKH70041 Sep 2014 #68
What would you recommend Obama do in the Middle East? karynnj Sep 2014 #69
Something other than what's he's doing now. BKH70041 Sep 2014 #70
Note that the same "he's too weak" was NOT made of GWB when beheadings happened then karynnj Sep 2014 #71
Thanks for explaining "the real world" to him, karyn. "Obama is weak" is a republicon meme Cha Oct 2014 #72
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