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sabrina 1

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197. Again, the discussion was Us involvement in Ukr. I know you are pushing the

Wed Sep 3, 2014, 04:35 PM

Sep 2014

idea of protesters being so fortunate, wish we could be here, but then we have no outside help, that just by going out into the streets and waving signs, an elected president coincidentally was GONE, nothing happened to make that president just disappear, just innocent protesters holding signs, all of them supporters of DEMOCRACY.

And I'm the Queen of England. This is DU where people generally don't buy fairy tales like that.

It WAS a coup. The only thing in dispute here was 'was the US involved'. I answered that question with proof.

So now, again back to the question that can't seem to get an answer. 'WHY ARE WE IN UKRAINE'? I KNOW how beneficial it will be for Goldman Sachs and the IMF and Wall St in general. My interest is in 'how does benefit the American people in any way?'

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so many hope DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #1

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Wow. Puglover Sep 2014 #166

Cool sounds beautiful. lonestarnot Sep 2014 #200

You are in a different league than your debate opponent. nt. NCTraveler Sep 2014 #161

there are lots of proputin comments samsingh Sep 2014 #3

You mean like the Saddam Lovers? Putin Lovers/Saddam Lovers?? Remember? We used to have them too. sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #5

I'm still reeling over the onslaught of DU Snowden Lovers leftstreet Sep 2014 #7

I wasn't over the Saddam Lovers yet, it CAN take years you know. Then we were hit with the sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #9

Go try any of the diaries by Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #35

I have read those posts and saw no 'pootie lovers' there. I guess you didn't either or you would sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #44

"E" for effort, but you're interacting with a poster who boasts "50 million US households watch RT". Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #81

!!! zappaman Sep 2014 #103

!!! sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #137

And "no one invaded Crimea"! zappaman Sep 2014 #140

Glad you agree. sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #142

Big deal. Most of them are just watching a Russian cartoon comedy show starring Yakov Smiroff. Major Hogwash Sep 2014 #112

I love this sitcom. Tell me more. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #124

Lol, pay attention. You are talking AGAIN to someone who may be 'just visiting'! sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #138

Old news. zappaman Sep 2014 #145

Oh, Lord Jeebus! Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #150

I was told I wanted to have Saddam's baby! polly7 Sep 2014 #177

There are those here who would rather know the truth about Cleita Sep 2014 #8

Oh, the Bibi has a Solution in mind for the Palestinians, all right Vine Gatherer Sep 2014 #13

Hyperbole does nothing to help your case leftynyc Sep 2014 #18

Okay, then: Vine Gatherer Sep 2014 #28

Annnnd? That's not Bibi is it? IronGate Sep 2014 #32

Bibi isn't Putin Vine Gatherer Sep 2014 #34

Ah, the High Horse Defense. DavidDvorkin Sep 2014 #36

You're the one that compared Netanyahu to Hitler and the Nazi's, not anyone else here. nt. IronGate Sep 2014 #38

YOU brought up bibi leftynyc Sep 2014 #39

well to be fair... Scootaloo Sep 2014 #57

Stupidest post of the day. IronGate Sep 2014 #26

See above Vine Gatherer Sep 2014 #29

It seems our newbie leftynyc Sep 2014 #40

That's because our newbie is just visiting from TBF Sep 2014 #47

That's because the FR Begathon is over and they are free to troll here now. Wankers Monk06 Sep 2014 #106

His posts look and sound exactly like another one Union Scribe Sep 2014 #178

And then denys he/she was the one that broached the subject. nt. IronGate Sep 2014 #48

really OTT steve2470 Sep 2014 #65

Thank you, Cleita. nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #179

I have been around here long enough to remember the Mugabe fan club. Throd Sep 2014 #10

That's a new one. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #59

I remember that also. (been reading DU since 2005) EX500rider Sep 2014 #104

i dont get it either. nt La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #12

An unholy alliance of the anti-American left, geek tragedy Sep 2014 #14

Do you know who you are talking to? sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #141

"Anti-American". Which used to be a big no-no at the DU! Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #152

the ban on America-haters, kooks and crackpots was always honored in the breach . . . nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #162

There are Putin fans, and then there are the useful idiots. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #15

'which is not to say the US is never involved' sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #147

A) There were hundreds of thousands of protesters and B) There was no coup. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #163

The WaPo is 'Russian State Media'? Lol. It's hard to refute hard evidence, I understand that. And sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #172

You've not once proven any evidence of a coup in Ukraine. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #184

The discussion was, 'was the US involved in the toppling of Ukr's govt. Not 'prove there was a coup' sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #190

Your post upthread. Emphasis mine. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #191

Again, the discussion was Us involvement in Ukr. I know you are pushing the sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #197

News flash: The US is "involved" in a lot of countries. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #204

"gullible dupes"... SidDithers Sep 2014 #205

Would you rather have Sarah Palin as President of Russia? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Sep 2014 #21

Ok, you made me suffragette Sep 2014 #135

Well... conservaphobe Sep 2014 #17

"They are but a few drops in a sea of betters" TBF Sep 2014 #45

I owe no one an explanation. conservaphobe Sep 2014 #49

Can you give an example of someone TBF Sep 2014 #50

When one side has to engage in ad hominems (see: "Putin contingent"), they usually are afraid of.. anti partisan Sep 2014 #19

There are people openly supporting geek tragedy Sep 2014 #27

Many Democrats here at DU, and in our Party Leadership.... bvar22 Sep 2014 #33

They did? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2014 #53

Waiting for you to provide some evidence of DUers supporting Bush's invasion of Iraq. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2014 #182

Um, bvar22 has been here since 2001....longer than you. U4ikLefty Sep 2014 #201

There were no posters favoring the invasion Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2014 #207

Yes? Who? Where? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #52

From my conversations this afternoon: geek tragedy Sep 2014 #66

I hadn't seen that, but that is disgusting. Looks like Obama haters & Putin peddlers have found.... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #84

+1. The use of vineyardsaker is fucking disgusting...nt SidDithers Sep 2014 #85

Can you show me where the blog is being sourced on DU? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #92

Coy is a bad color for you. OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #95

Hardly coy Scootaloo Sep 2014 #97

A poster on another thread boasted of 15-20. OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #98

Don't plan to Scootaloo Sep 2014 #102

Do a site search for: geek tragedy Sep 2014 #96

Oh hell geek, there's LOTS of tells for that one Scootaloo Sep 2014 #99

How many qualifies as a "contingent"? OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #110

Oh, two, by the word's definition Scootaloo Sep 2014 #111

"constant frothing panic" OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #114

Oh, you want to gif-spar? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #115

I am really not trying to suck up to you. Puglover Sep 2014 #167

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LBH...some agree with you. Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #155

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2014 #156

We happen to be seeing the same threads. Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #157

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2014 #159

Why would anyone be "afraid" to debate on an anyonymous web forum? OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #30

I find it the single most inconceivable political opinion I've encountered BainsBane Sep 2014 #20

because Snowden. PeaceNikki Sep 2014 #22

Thank You. I honestly try to avoid threads about Snowden or mentioning him at all- KittyWampus Sep 2014 #165

He's actually extremely conservative if placed in US politics. nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #23

Of course BainsBane Sep 2014 #25

For awhile he was absolutely beloved on Freehorseapples. amandabeech Sep 2014 #122

It's a big world. There are Russians who like him. There are people here who like Obama Autumn Sep 2014 #24

It's a big world. But this is a website for the American Democratic party, and for TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #56

Well I for one would rather support Putin over the Republican party Autumn Sep 2014 #79

It's neither the Democratic party position or the progressive/left position to support TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #94

Life is weird. Autumn Sep 2014 #108

Not really. TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #109

??? pinto Sep 2014 #126

You don't get the idea that some people in Russia or the US may just like their leaders? Autumn Sep 2014 #171

I think it's related to Snowden/Greenwald. JaydenD Sep 2014 #31

+1! Nailed It! It really is just that simple for some of the Putin boosters here. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #89

Oh please, I think it is more about being lied to your Live and Learn Sep 2014 #158

yep TorchTheWitch Sep 2014 #203

Liiiike who? Where? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #37

One of the posters here who posts nothing but RT articles Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #51

Not sure I would call him "Putin contingent" Scootaloo Sep 2014 #54

Another one whose name rhymes with armadillo Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #63

Three! Three pooty-pooters! Ah-ah-ah! Scootaloo Sep 2014 #73

Oh I've got plenty more I could name.... Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #75

Does your list have 205 names on it, Cali_Democrat? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #77

I have here in my hand a list of 214 Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #87

Are you saying they are "Unwelcome on DU?" KoKo Sep 2014 #107

Anyone who takes RT propaganda as fact BainsBane Sep 2014 #127

Well, what if RT is actually reporting fact? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #129

Positing one crap media outlet to justify another is far from convincing BainsBane Sep 2014 #130

point being... Scootaloo Sep 2014 #132

It has nothing to do with being a reprehensible human being BainsBane Sep 2014 #134

I didn't mean you in particular Scootaloo Sep 2014 #136

Considering how some of them have reacted to my own situation BainsBane Sep 2014 #139

And considering stuff i've seen from the torch-and-pitchfork crowd... Scootaloo Sep 2014 #144

The one on inactive status baited the jury several times in a day BainsBane Sep 2014 #146

I think we just missed each other there BainsBane Scootaloo Sep 2014 #149

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They shouldn't be uncritically accepted as true Union Scribe Sep 2014 #183

There is one inactive DUer who shall remain nameless. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #55

Okay, we're up to a possible two, one of whom is inactive... Scootaloo Sep 2014 #58

There was also this gem: Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #61

Oh yes, that's a real gem of a thread Scootaloo Sep 2014 #67

The guy lauded Putin for "knowing his history" and invading Crimea. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #72

Okay, doesn't make your "team"'s response any less vile or reprehensible though Scootaloo Sep 2014 #76

Are Mods above the rules? Now that is interesting. I hadn't heard that. TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #100

Hey Scoot Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #71

well, that depends Scootaloo Sep 2014 #74

Aaaaaand bingo. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #78

Um...WTF did I just see? Jamaal510 Sep 2014 #153

A sad, pathetic specimen of humanity. nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #164

You've gotta be kidding me. Is that our Catherina? WTF? Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #173

There's a lot more ugliness where that came from. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #181

I'm sorry Tommy, that was a bad hide. Twitter is a public forum. What was the problem? Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #185

They claimed it couldn't be verified as her Twitter account and therefore was an unfair attack. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #186

Thank you for this link....as with the others you helpfully provided in the worst hidden msanthrope Sep 2014 #187

I agree with MADem and the others who are calling for Admin to take a look at the hide, and jury. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #188

Wow... SidDithers Sep 2014 #174

Nice to know you're keeping tabs Union Scribe Sep 2014 #176

That's weird. OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #194

Especially considering that a poster in this thread keeps screeching "whooo?? Whooo?? WHOOOO??" Number23 Sep 2014 #202

Lame. Amost no one here thinks Putin is a good leader. Vattel Sep 2014 #41

I'm sure if we scour the 8 years of George W. Bush we can find some action of his we support as well Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #42

I've never seen one but I don't deny that maybe a few exist. Vattel Sep 2014 #43

Well... TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #60

DU is like anywhere. HuckleB Sep 2014 #46

Putin is using Bush-Rove playbook and appeals to TeaParty and duped lefties. blm Sep 2014 #62

Actually Putin wrote some of the Bush-Rove playbook Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2014 #68

"duped lefties following suit and using DU as a platform to do it." Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #175

In all seriousness, they don't even have the cover of left-wing ideology TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #64

Links or STFU Dems to Win Sep 2014 #69

Here you go Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2014 #70

Robert Parry is an excellent journalist Dems to Win Sep 2014 #83

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The fringe left has hitched their wagon to Putin... SidDithers Sep 2014 #86

+1 Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #90

Putin is a fascist AgingAmerican Sep 2014 #88

For some DUers, Putin's sins were washed away Blue_Tires Sep 2014 #91

Putin is bad news. nt cwydro Sep 2014 #93

Embarrassingly enough the fringe left has always had Soviet sympathizers Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2014 #105

Too bad they can't live in Russia.. and I mean that sincerely. Cha Sep 2014 #113

As someone who has been to Castro's Cuba, Mugabe's Zimbabwe and St. Hugo's Venezuela Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2014 #123

"Too bad they can't live in Russia.. and I mean that sincerely". Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #189

Since when does being against imperialism imply being pro anything else? eridani Sep 2014 #116

Isn't imperialism what the invasion of the Ukraine amounts to? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2014 #117

Who is invading who? eridani Sep 2014 #118

Sorry I don't take regurgiatated RT propaganda. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2014 #119

The source it not RT, and there are plenty of other references n/t eridani Sep 2014 #120

It doesn't matter if it's not RT. It's a subjective and highly inaccurate narrative of events. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #170

So, who died and who lived? n/t eridani Sep 2014 #192

People from both sides. nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #193

Right--and in the burning building were..? eridani Sep 2014 #195

Cute. You know you can actually post real photos and videos of that day's tragic events... Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #196

The easterners are at home. The westerners are not. End of story n/t eridani Sep 2014 #198

What? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #199

Is there an RT link here somewhere? I'd like to see it, they have been dead right on so many issues sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #148

they are ignorant reorg Sep 2014 #151

WTF....Du'ers spreading Neocon propaganda JEB Sep 2014 #125

The neocons are focused on Iraq, Iran and Syria Vine Gatherer Sep 2014 #128

Neocons shit in any punch bowl. JEB Sep 2014 #131

So if one questions Heir Putin BainsBane Sep 2014 #208

Some of the Putin contingent here are very obvious. NCTraveler Sep 2014 #160

I call them (those who twist to the extreme) "pretzels." The knot in the center of their pretzel kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #169

More Putin apologists on my thread here. edhopper Sep 2014 #206