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newthinking

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2. Thank you - More people need to understand that this was a neocon operation and there are reasons
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 04:29 AM
Sep 2014

for everything that has happened. International Republican Institute and Poland trained Right Sector members to overthrow the government. Remember McCain there? He is heavily involved in the IRI.

Lots of propaganda. Putin has mostly been reacting in this case.

Ukraine **annexed** Crimea some years ago. They never wanted to be part of Ukraine and the "Autonomous Republic" was the compromise. Crimea had it's own Constitution and Parliament via the compromise. But Ukraine overruled the compromise and rewrote Crimea's constitution, effectively removing much of their independence. Crimea had it's own Parliament, and they had the authority to request the referendum. It was not until after teh Crimean gov asked for help that Russia became involved.

So all of this is heavily propagandized and much more complicated than presented.

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Thanks for posting this newfie11 Sep 2014 #1
Thank you - More people need to understand that this was a neocon operation and there are reasons newthinking Sep 2014 #2
Have you read anything about Mearsheimer? Are_grits_groceries Sep 2014 #3
It all started with Bushco's neo-con velvet revolutions malaise Sep 2014 #4
I rather like the idea of a "backyard". Igel Sep 2014 #5
Well I suggest you read up on the Monroe Doctrine malaise Sep 2014 #8
Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact and Warsaw Pact are more apt. joshcryer Sep 2014 #11
Does the Soviet Union still exist? another_liberal Sep 2014 #15
No but a certain Russian politician considers its demise "the greatest geopolitical tragedy of the pampango Sep 2014 #24
If I were Russian, I might agree with him . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #29
I agree with you. It is odd to me that Putin does not agree with you, too. pampango Sep 2014 #33
Sweden and Finland are going to join NATO davidpdx Sep 2014 #19
You are confusing the United States with the Neocon policies that ARE always wrong, unless sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #34
So Vicky Nuland is the wife of a founding member of "The Project for the New American Century?" another_liberal Sep 2014 #6
Of course, women are defined by their husbands' views. Are men defined by their wives' views? pampango Sep 2014 #21
Oh, I think she is well represented by her own views alone . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #26
Then, as we do with men, lets talk about her own views, not her spouse's. n/t pampango Sep 2014 #35
Ok, She is awful . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #42
She was Bill Clinton's deputy director for former Soviet Union affairs. hack89 Sep 2014 #22
More is the pity then. another_liberal Sep 2014 #25
She is doing a good job hack89 Sep 2014 #28
Sure she is . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #30
I doubt that Ms. Nuland has said "Fuck the EU!" nearly as often as Mr. Putin has. pampango Sep 2014 #36
Mr. Putin doesn't represent my country . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #43
She is there to look after US interests hack89 Sep 2014 #37
She represents US interests . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #44
She's doing a good job because she got somebody riled up? MattSh Sep 2014 #38
Should Ukraine be allowed to join NATO if it wants to? (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #7
And another question . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #13
So a few hundred people held a demonstration. Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #16
That is only one of many such demonstrations in western Ukraine . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #17
+1000 nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #39
Maybe this helps... MattSh Sep 2014 #41
Well said! another_liberal Sep 2014 #45
... SidDithers Sep 2014 #9
Surprise, former members of the Warsaw Pact move away from Russia influence. joshcryer Sep 2014 #10
. stonecutter357 Sep 2014 #12
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No one could have put it better! randome Sep 2014 #20
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In the early 2000s, the Austrian government formed a coalition government with Neo-Nazis Anarcho-Socialist Sep 2014 #18
Did Austria NEED economic and military aid? KittyWampus Sep 2014 #32
Ugh. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #23
Yes, exactly, a "March of Folly", to use Ms Tuchman's term, if I ever saw one. bemildred Sep 2014 #27
I can tell people are getting scared Blue_Tires Sep 2014 #40
We invaded alright, with dollars used to destabilize the government . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #46
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